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Fee Seas
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Posted - 2011.07.26 22:46:00 -
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Edited by: Fee Seas on 26/07/2011 22:46:53 Edited by: Fee Seas on 26/07/2011 22:46:38 Re-posted (minus permission) from a thread on the forums of EVE University (in all of its insignificance).
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This thread owns. I'll drop a proper reply because I have a soft spot in my heart for Unistas, like all newbies (the other two major newbie-obsessed entities in EVE being GSF and TEST).
1. Of course we knew that wormholes were 'nullsec'. Whoever wrote that line in the minutes - probably Trebor, Meissa or Two Step - misrepresented what occured. We were surprised, however, that you could day-trip into wormholes and mine ABC from hisec.
2. I don't give a **** about wormholes or wormhole issues. That also means that I'm not expending any political capital 'chasing' an ABC nerf in wormholes. I think it's stupid, but it's a trivial issue compared to the sucking chest wounds that impact this game and wormholes aren't my area of space. If you're spazzing about the comment, odds are that you are, yourself, a trivial person.
3. CSMs represent their voters. They might claim to represent the entire playerbase. If they have that delusion, good for them; I operate in a realm of political realities.
4. Probably due to e-fame, of the 5365 votes I received, only 1700 came from my own alliance (we ran exit polls to determine the approx GSF count). If you voted for me, as far as I'm concerned, you deserve realposts and can evemail me anytime with your concerns about whatever. If you didn't vote for me, I don't care about your opinion, and might go out of my way to actively antagonize you because, as a sadist, I enjoy hurting people I dislike.
5. If you think the election was 'rigged' you're a joke. Nullsec is incredibly organized in order to survive. CSM5 demonstrated to nullsec that power in the hands of the ignorant could be incredibly damaging to the game, so Nullsec seized the CSM by out-organizing everyone else.
6. There's a tremendous amount of influence and power within the CSM, but it's not a explicitly delineated power. This means that babbys who don't understand how power works see it as powerless - which suits me fine, because then they don't vote and tell their friends not to vote. This makes it easier for someone who's organized and motivated - like me - to win. Babbys can make badposts about how the CSM is powerless, I'll have quiet conversations at 3am in bars in Reykjavik with key devs to try to convince them to fix the broken areas of the game. Win-win. This is already paying off with TiDi, Iterative Ship Balance, and I hope - judging from the public statements in interviews and such - supercapital balancing.
7. I'm 'arrogant' because I don't care what most people think, and I'm secure in my life and my position ingame. I've 'won' EVE - accomplishing various goals I set for myself (every man's 'win EVE' is dfferent) - so many times now that I don't really give a **** anymore. The Great War was won, I did a bunch of crazy espionage crap and I've successfully led one of the best blocs in the game. If that makes me arrogant, whatevs - New Eden tramples the humble.
http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=45565&start=90 |
Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.07.27 01:23:00 -
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Good post. You mad?
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Ya Huei
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Posted - 2011.07.27 14:44:00 -
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I really doubt The Mittani needs any help trolling these forums..
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Jonas Xiamon
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.28 18:58:00 -
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*FAP FAP FAP FAP*
SO GLAD I VOTED FOR HIM
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Cedille Mureau
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Posted - 2011.07.28 21:20:00 -
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I don't know if it is possible but could we have a recall vote on Mitanni? It's pretty obvious that he does not have the interests of the majority of EVE players in mind. On the contrary he appears to hold most in some sort of contempt. If he is openly stating that the sole reason for his running for election was in the interest of a narrow, exclusive part of the game, is he a fit and proper person to be sitting on the CSM?
Obviously I won't be holding my breath on this, just saying.
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Zirse
Minmatar ZED Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.28 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Cedille Mureau I don't know if it is possible but could we have a recall vote on Mitanni? It's pretty obvious that he does not have the interests of the majority of EVE players in mind. On the contrary he appears to hold most in some sort of contempt. If he is openly stating that the sole reason for his running for election was in the interest of a narrow, exclusive part of the game, is he a fit and proper person to be sitting on the CSM?
Obviously I won't be holding my breath on this, just saying.
Where do you draw that conclusion from?
1. This forum's consenus holds no weight. It is not representive of any EVE community at large. For one, many players do not participate with any forums, whatsoever. Second, there is a large percentage of bittervets and nullsec players that avoid these forums for there inconceivable levels of stupid.
2. Nullsec is not narrow or exclusive. You too, can play in nullsec, if you wanted. Whether or not you want to is irrelevant. There are many, many people playing the nullsec game and many of these people have more than two accounts. Some of these accounts are based in high-sec, vastly inflating the 'high-sec' majority of players.
The Mittani had the lions share of votes from accounts that bothered to vote. Its pretty simple really.
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Super Chair
Caldari Hell's Revenge
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Posted - 2011.07.29 18:16:00 -
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Just because an e-tard gets elected to CSM doesnt mean the game is going to be changed to benefit themselves on a whim.
Zulu throwing the *tard line over the whole WH ABC ores thing gave me hope that CCP is not just going to bend over and make poor game design decisions in the future just because the CSM are more interested in altering game mechanics to forward their own nullsec agendas rather than help influence game design for the sake of good game design. I hope CCP realizes this.
The time and effort nullsec alliances spend to screw eachother over to RMT could probably have been better spent in the real world.
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Zirse
Minmatar ZED Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.29 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Super Chair Just because an e-tard gets elected to CSM doesnt mean the game is going to be changed to benefit themselves on a whim.
Which is exactly why anyone who is crying about ABCs in wormholes is a moron. The CSM is a sounding board, not a scrum team. They use their knowledge of the game to offer advice to the CCP. CCP is still responsible for their decisions. If you honestly think its a cart blanche to bend the game to nullsec will then wow, you are ******ed.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.07.30 09:41:00 -
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Edited by: J Kunjeh on 30/07/2011 09:41:46
Originally by: Fee Seas
Re-posted (minus permission) from a thread on the forums of EVE University (in all of its insignificance).
This thread owns. I'll drop a proper reply because I have a soft spot in my heart for Unistas, like all newbies (the other two major newbie-obsessed entities in EVE being GSF and TEST).
4. Probably due to e-fame, of the 5365 votes I received, only 1700 came from my own alliance (we ran exit polls to determine the approx GSF count). If you voted for me, as far as I'm concerned, you deserve realposts and can evemail me anytime with your concerns about whatever. If you didn't vote for me, I don't care about your opinion, and might go out of my way to actively antagonize you because, as a sadist, I enjoy hurting people I dislike.
http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=45565&start=90
Mittens is making it more clear with every post that he is quickly becoming the sucking chest-wound in the CSM. Still love ya Mittens, for all of your asshattery and douchebaggery (and your great TTH column), but the CSM, CCP and the players deserve a far better CSM chairman. ______________________
"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) |
Killer Gandry
Caldari Red Horizon Inc Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.07.30 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Zirse They use their knowledge of the game to offer advice to the CCP.
What knowledge? Mittens admitted that till very recently he didn't even know about ABC's in all WH's. Just makes me wonder howmuch else (common information) he isn't aware of and just pretends to know a lot about because he doesn't want to look like a complete idiot, but in the meantime has a group of other rejects that "spoon"feed him information.
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Zirse
Minmatar ZED Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.30 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Killer Gandry
Originally by: Zirse They use their knowledge of the game to offer advice to the CCP.
What knowledge? Mittens admitted that till very recently he didn't even know about ABC's in all WH's. Just makes me wonder howmuch else (common information) he isn't aware of and just pretends to know a lot about because he doesn't want to look like a complete idiot, but in the meantime has a group of other rejects that "spoon"feed him information.
No one knows everything about EVE. Mittens and Co. have a strong sense of nullsec mechanics, precisely why the nullsec block voted them in. I don't give too much of a **** about wormholes beyond that I think they are cool, but until the dscan is overhauled, they too much of a pain in the ass.
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Lakitel
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Posted - 2011.07.30 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Zirse
Originally by: Killer Gandry
Originally by: Zirse They use their knowledge of the game to offer advice to the CCP.
What knowledge? Mittens admitted that till very recently he didn't even know about ABC's in all WH's. Just makes me wonder howmuch else (common information) he isn't aware of and just pretends to know a lot about because he doesn't want to look like a complete idiot, but in the meantime has a group of other rejects that "spoon"feed him information.
No one knows everything about EVE. Mittens and Co. have a strong sense of nullsec mechanics, precisely why the nullsec block voted them in. I don't give too much of a **** about wormholes beyond that I think they are cool, but until the dscan is overhauled, they too much of a pain in the ass.
WHs are not some obscure part of the game that nobody ever hears about or gets into. Even more so, WHs are considered null sec and technically that means they fall under null sec mechanics, which makes the fact that he doesn't know about them an even more glaring error.
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Zirse
Minmatar ZED Industries
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Posted - 2011.07.30 20:52:00 -
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You're arguing about sematics now. When I say nullsec, I mean conquerable space. I would really hope you'd have assumed that-- you must be new.
Unless you have an interest in WHs, you tend not to spend much time in them. Pretty simple really.
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Reana Shadows
Caldari Damocles Society Quebec United Legions
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Posted - 2011.07.30 23:34:00 -
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Edited by: Reana Shadows on 30/07/2011 23:38:23
Originally by: Killer Gandry
Originally by: Zirse They use their knowledge of the game to offer advice to the CCP.
What knowledge? Mittens admitted that till very recently he didn't even know about ABC's in all WH's. Just makes me wonder howmuch else (common information) he isn't aware of and just pretends to know a lot about because he doesn't want to look like a complete idiot, but in the meantime has a group of other rejects that "spoon"feed him information.
So if I understand correctly this guy Fee Seas is the alt of our beloved CSM leader maximo
This is freaking burlesque
I guess we get what we deserve... Me for instance when I vote for the CSM reps I look for a canadian and I vote for him regardless of what he or she writes in his electoral platform. Maybe we should carefull to whom we give our vote to
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Lakitel
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Posted - 2011.07.31 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Zirse You're arguing about sematics now. When I say nullsec, I mean conquerable space. I would really hope you'd have assumed that-- you must be new.
Unless you have an interest in WHs, you tend not to spend much time in them. Pretty simple really.
Of course I'm arguing semantics now, that's why I said "Technically", you know why? Because the arguments you made make absolutely no sense what so ever. If you know anything about running on a platform, or politics in general, then you'd be well aware that any representative should fully comprehend an issue before making a comment on it. Saying something like "Taking a hulk to a C1 WH to day trip" obviously shows the LACK of awareness of the whole WH issue. Which is the point I'm making.
And new to what? The English language? I think I know a lot more about it than you do. I also, obviously, know more about politics and this game than you do too. You know, this is the problem with you null sec'ers, all you do is whine, complain and insult people in the face of a valid argument instead of actually coming up with an original opinion (I know how hard that must be for you).
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Ban Doga
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Posted - 2011.08.01 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: Zirse Edited by: Zirse on 28/07/2011 23:08:36
Originally by: Cedille Mureau I don't know if it is possible but could we have a recall vote on Mitanni? It's pretty obvious that he does not have the interests of the majority of EVE players in mind. On the contrary he appears to hold most in some sort of contempt. If he is openly stating that the sole reason for his running for election was in the interest of a narrow, exclusive part of the game, is he a fit and proper person to be sitting on the CSM?
Obviously I won't be holding my breath on this, just saying.
Where do you draw that conclusion from?
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Probably due to e-fame, of the 5365 votes I received, only 1700 came from my own alliance (we ran exit polls to determine the approx GSF count). ... If you didn't vote for me, I don't care about your opinion
I guess it's pretty safe to say he doesn't care about the opinion of most of the EVE players, because most of the EVE players did not vote all which means they also didn't vote for him.
I think it's also quite delusional to believe he represents the opinions of those people who voted for him. He represents his own opinion and nothing else. He just claims that people voted for him because they had/have the same opinion. Which is either incredibly naive or just more spin (I'm assuming the latter, but you can never be sure...)
Do you really believe he cared about anyone else's interests when he was sitting with a dev in a bar at 3 am, talking about how the game should develop?
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The Mittani
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Posted - 2011.08.01 15:30:00 -
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i do love threads like these where you get together and whine and cry about me; please make more
The Mittani for CSM6 Sins of a Solar Spymaster
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Lakitel
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Posted - 2011.08.01 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani i do love threads like these where you get together and whine and cry about me; please make more
No problems! We aim to please! Unlike the CSM and CCP :).
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Lady McSexyPants
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Posted - 2011.08.01 19:33:00 -
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Oh no my hisec pubbie concerns aren't being addressed. A BLOO BLOO BLOO
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.01 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Cedille Mureau I don't know if it is possible but could we have a recall vote on Mitanni? It's pretty obvious that he does not have the interests of the majority of EVE players in mind. On the contrary he appears to hold most in some sort of contempt. If he is openly stating that the sole reason for his running for election was in the interest of a narrow, exclusive part of the game, is he a fit and proper person to be sitting on the CSM?
Obviously I won't be holding my breath on this, just saying.
What, you think the CSM's purpose is to represent the playerbase?
Ha.
CSM members represent their constituents, not the playerbase as a whole. dealwizit~
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Reana Shadows
Caldari Damocles Society Quebec United Legions
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Posted - 2011.08.01 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: The Mittani i do love threads like these where you get together and whine and cry about me; please make more
Who called you in this discussion
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Lakitel
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Posted - 2011.08.02 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: Andski
Originally by: Cedille Mureau I don't know if it is possible but could we have a recall vote on Mitanni? It's pretty obvious that he does not have the interests of the majority of EVE players in mind. On the contrary he appears to hold most in some sort of contempt. If he is openly stating that the sole reason for his running for election was in the interest of a narrow, exclusive part of the game, is he a fit and proper person to be sitting on the CSM?
Obviously I won't be holding my breath on this, just saying.
What, you think the CSM's purpose is to represent the playerbase?
Ha.
CSM members represent their constituents, not the playerbase as a whole. dealwizit~
While technically yes a representative is supposed to represent their constituents, any body like the CSM should have representatives from each constituency in equal amounts so that everybody gets represented equally. L2Politics.
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Zelda Wei
Caldari New Horizon Trade Exchange
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Posted - 2011.08.02 13:36:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes
Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.08.02 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Andski
Originally by: Cedille Mureau I don't know if it is possible but could we have a recall vote on Mitanni? It's pretty obvious that he does not have the interests of the majority of EVE players in mind. On the contrary he appears to hold most in some sort of contempt. If he is openly stating that the sole reason for his running for election was in the interest of a narrow, exclusive part of the game, is he a fit and proper person to be sitting on the CSM?
Obviously I won't be holding my breath on this, just saying.
What, you think the CSM's purpose is to represent the playerbase?
Ha.
CSM members represent their constituents, not the playerbase as a whole. dealwizit~
Why your wrong...
First line:
Originally by: CCP The Council of Stellar Management (CSM) is a player-elected council to represent the views of the players to CCP.
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Aryndel Vyst
Amarr GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.02 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Asuri Kinnes
Originally by: Andski
Originally by: Cedille Mureau I don't know if it is possible but could we have a recall vote on Mitanni? It's pretty obvious that he does not have the interests of the majority of EVE players in mind. On the contrary he appears to hold most in some sort of contempt. If he is openly stating that the sole reason for his running for election was in the interest of a narrow, exclusive part of the game, is he a fit and proper person to be sitting on the CSM?
Obviously I won't be holding my breath on this, just saying.
What, you think the CSM's purpose is to represent the playerbase?
Ha.
CSM members represent their constituents, not the playerbase as a whole. dealwizit~
Why your wrong...
First line:
Originally by: CCP The Council of Stellar Management (CSM) is a player-elected council to represent the views of the players to CCP.
You poor misguided fool. Do you even understand how politics work?
I'll answer that for you....no you do not.
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Zirse
Minmatar ZED Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.02 22:35:00 -
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Except for the fact that unlike the real world, players have multiple selves in multiple locations. You can't honestly think that CCP is going to spend time implementing checks and balances (and the headache that comes along with that) in the CSM when its such a non-factor PR stunt to begin with.
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Asuri Kinnes
Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.08.03 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: Aryndel Vyst You poor misguided fool. Do you even understand how politics work?
I'll answer that for you....no you do not.
Son, I would bet that I've got you by 10 years, good odds that I've got you by 20+, 50/50 that I've got you by 25+.
I'm *very* aware of how "irl" politics works. I was just pointing out that he/you are wrong.
I *do* so enjoy being right once in awhile...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Zirse
Minmatar ZED Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.03 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Asuri Kinnes
Originally by: Aryndel Vyst You poor misguided fool. Do you even understand how politics work?
I'll answer that for you....no you do not.
Son, I would bet that I've got you by 10 years, good odds that I've got you by 20+, 50/50 that I've got you by 25+.
I'm *very* aware of how "irl" politics works. I was just pointing out that he/you are wrong.
I *do* so enjoy being right once in awhile...
Nope, pretty sure CSM candidates aren't bound to any sort of agreement that makes them responsible for the entire player-base. Why would they spend the effort outside of their constituents, or more honestly, their area of preferred playstyle? Ideally, maybe they should, but this is EVE.
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.08.03 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Asuri Kinnes
Originally by: Aryndel Vyst You poor misguided fool. Do you even understand how politics work?
I'll answer that for you....no you do not.
Son, I would bet that I've got you by 10 years, good odds that I've got you by 20+, 50/50 that I've got you by 25+.
I'm *very* aware of how "irl" politics works. I was just pointing out that he/you are wrong.
I *do* so enjoy being right once in awhile...
Then you understand how lobbyists work. So, Mittens didn't have to explain why it would be dumb for him to discuss wormholes with CCP. Not to mention he would be a hypocrite after railing against the previous CSM for talking about null sec while living in empire.
This signature is useless, but it is red.
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Asuri Kinnes
Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.08.03 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Bagehi
Originally by: Asuri Kinnes Son, I would bet that I've got you by 10 years, good odds that I've got you by 20+, 50/50 that I've got you by 25+.
I'm *very* aware of how "irl" politics works. I was just pointing out that he/you are wrong.
I *do* so enjoy being right once in awhile...
Then you understand how lobbyists work. So, Mittens didn't have to explain why it would be dumb for him to discuss wormholes with CCP. Not to mention he would be a hypocrite after railing against the previous CSM for talking about null sec while living in empire.
Ummmm, that is *in so many words* exactly what he did...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
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Asuri Kinnes
Caldari Adhocracy Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.08.03 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Zirse
Originally by: Asuri Kinnes
Originally by: Aryndel Vyst You poor misguided fool. Do you even understand how politics work?
I'll answer that for you....no you do not.
Son, I would bet that I've got you by 10 years, good odds that I've got you by 20+, 50/50 that I've got you by 25+.
I'm *very* aware of how "irl" politics works. I was just pointing out that he/you are wrong.
I *do* so enjoy being right once in awhile...
Nope, pretty sure CSM candidates aren't bound to any sort of agreement that makes them responsible for the entire player-base. Why would they spend the effort outside of their constituents, or more honestly, their area of preferred play-style? Ideally, maybe they should, but this is EVE.
According to the link I gave, and the data there, the CSM rep's the interests of all players to CCP.
Which is one of the reasons why having people without knowledge of 0.0 mechanics suggesting changes for 0.0 was a bad idea. They should have *ASKED* 0.0 players what to adjust, how to adjust it and where/when to adjust it. (Gotten feedback and input first, then make suggestions). Instead, players (representing 0.0 to CCP w/o direct knowledge or feedback) made suggestions that were not only against the interests of 0.0 players and possibly even *ahem!* "ill advised".
Just because someone doesn't play in 0.0 (or Hi-Sec, or Low-Sec or WH's or FW) does *NOT* relieve them of the responsibility of doing "due diligence" if they're going to make suggestions on "fixes" to those areas.
I *do* believe that is what got the current crop of 0.0 reps running and elected this term, is it not?
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Fee Seas
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Posted - 2011.08.06 02:03:00 -
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Wuts goin on in dis here thread?
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Angelica Winters
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Posted - 2011.08.06 22:58:00 -
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Make them bleed and cry, as long as you keep fixing the game.
AW
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One CoolCat
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Posted - 2011.08.31 22:36:00 -
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CSM maybe equally surprised that you can make daytrips and mine in HED-GP.
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Reana Shadows
Caldari Damocles Society Quebec United Legions
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Posted - 2011.09.01 00:28:00 -
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At this point who give a dam anyway lol
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Vile rat
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Posted - 2011.09.01 12:56:00 -
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Pretty good post. He's spot on too.
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Cyaxares II
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Posted - 2011.09.04 06:22:00 -
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Edited by: Cyaxares II on 04/09/2011 06:22:33
Originally by: Lakitel Let me also add that theory aside, even in real life there is a representative from each constituency, the number of representatives (with their voting weight) differ depending on how many of a certain constituency there is. So for example (and these numbers are completely hypothetical) if 60% of the players are high sec, 20% from low sec, 10% from null sec and 10% from WHs, that means in a team of 10 representatives, 6 should be from high-sec, 2 should be from low sec, and 1 from each null sec and WHs.
During the last CSM elections I lived in 0.0 (and voted based on 0.0 issues).
Yet, I had 2 characters in 0.0 and 5 characters in empire.
Would you want to force my hauling/trading/mission alts to be represented by some high-sec CSM rep when I could have hardly cared less about that part of space because I spent most of my playtime in 0.0 anyways?
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Jaxon Grylls
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Posted - 2011.09.04 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Cyaxares II
Would you want to force my hauling/trading/mission alts to be represented by some high-sec CSM rep when I could have hardly cared less about that part of space because I spent most of my playtime in 0.0 anyways?
No, absolutely not, but if you can't see the results of nerfing other aspect of the game in favour of 0.0 and its consequent effects on your hisec activities then it's not my place to enlighten you on self-interest.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr Divine Power. Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.09.04 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jaxon Grylls
No, absolutely not, but if you can't see the results of nerfing other aspect of the game in favour of 0.0 and its consequent effects on your hisec activities then it's not my place to enlighten you on self-interest.
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Jaxon Grylls
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Posted - 2011.09.05 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza No man, I feel it's your duty to tell him why eliminating the need for drudging in hisec is against his self-interest.
If he gets no benefit from having a presence in hisec, then why is he there? And if he does have a reason to be there why should he not care about it?
Ah, sorry, I see where you seem to be going with this. You appear to think that if CCP, at the instigation of the CSM, shifts all of the advantages found in other sectors of the game into 0.0 then that will make the game "fairer" and "more balanced"
Wouldn't be a 0.0 resident yourself, would you?
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr Divine Power. Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.09.05 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jaxon Grylls
If he gets no benefit from having a presence in hisec, then why is he there? And if he does have a reason to be there why should he not care about it?
Where did I say or infer that he has no benefit from living in hisec? Clearly he does. Let's see if I can explain this to you:
Why mine ice or low-ends in 0.0 and risk your mackinaw on every undock when you can mine it under the protection of CONCORD? Why research blueprints in 0.0 where the stations are few and takeable and pos's are vulnerable to caps and supercaps when you can research it in 0.0, when you can research in total safety in hisec? Why manufacture goods, why build T2, etc, etc.
Most null players have multiple hisec alts because it's simply impractical and non-profitable to do day-to-day logistics and industry in 0.0. In truth, it's these hisec alts that are the cornerstone of 0.0 functionality. However given the option, they would prefer not needing any of their alts in hisec. And they vote accordingly.
Quote: Ah, sorry, I see where you seem to be going with this. You appear to think that if CCP, at the instigation of the CSM, shifts all of the advantages found in other sectors of the game into 0.0 then that will make the game "fairer" and "more balanced"
Yeah dude, if you're going to have one zone that has huge risk and the other have zero risk, balancing the reward that comes with risk is rather crucial. Otherwise you end up with lowsec. |
Jaxon Grylls
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Edited by: Jaxon Grylls on 06/09/2011 11:29:39
Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Most null players have multiple hisec alts because it's simply impractical and non-profitable to do day-to-day logistics and industry in 0.0. In truth, it's these hisec alts that are the cornerstone of 0.0 functionality. However given the option, they would prefer not needing any of their alts in hisec. And they vote accordingly.
OK, I'll bite.
Why then should people in hisec not care about what happens there? Surely it is in their own interest to make sure that they get the most out of it. If you are saying that because they do not want to be in hisec but feel they have to because of all the perceived disadvantages involved in having a pure 0.0 existence, that they will vote to increase the benefits, facilities and opportunities in nullsec, even if that means nerfing the chances of other people in hisec, WHS and so on, two things come to mind:
1) that these actions will have no unintended effects on the balance of the game, debatable in my opinion.
2) that it seems a little like cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Are people in 0.0 so contemptuous of "carebears", jealous or insecure that they need to have everything that the other sections in the game have along with all the benefits that being, supposedly, a pioneer, frontiersman sort of character brings, such as the ability to run Capital ships, POS, sovereignty on systems etc. I just do not see why the fact that others choose to play EVE as they wish should be a threat. Sure, being in hisec is comparatively safe, but as you already have aknowledged it does have its drawbacks and restrictions. Rightly so in my opinion, it would not be fair to other areas of the game if it did not, but if players choose to remain in hisec with all its drawback then surely they should take an interest in what happens there and fight hisec's corner if need be. |
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