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Buzzkill Testafo
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Posted - 2011.07.30 00:17:00 -
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I accepted the 5 day return email to come check out EVE again. I figured what the hell and downloaded the client. I have played eve on and off for quite a while now and I normally only stopped due to Real Life things that all ways come first.
Well CCP I was at work and I was about to log into my accounts page and activate my other 2 accounts (only 1 got the come back offer) when I decided to go take a look at the forums.......all I have to say is WOW what a cluster f...... I have canceled every game I have ever played that had a subscription/cash shop combo. I played WOW until it was applied there /cancel also played eq2 until it came out there /cancel. Now you guys have made a first you actually made me /cancel before I even hit resubscribe.
Your complete and utter disrespect to your player base is god awful. Any cash shop in a P2P game is wrong.
In regards to the people that say its just "vanity items" I say look at the resources applied to the "vanity" items area of the game and tell me that those resources could not have instead been used to make the game more fun.
Best regards to the community it is still one of the best out there in regards to MMO's. Too bad CCP has trampled all over it.
Escabar Torento/Buzzkill Testafo
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Spumantii
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Posted - 2011.07.30 00:23:00 -
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cue someone asking for his stuff
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Abriael VonRosen
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.30 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Buzzkill Testafo I accepted the 5 day return email to come check out EVE again. I figured what the hell and downloaded the client. I have played eve on and off for quite a while now and I normally only stopped due to Real Life things that all ways come first.
Well CCP I was at work and I was about to log into my accounts page and activate my other 2 accounts (only 1 got the come back offer) when I decided to go take a look at the forums.......all I have to say is WOW what a cluster f...... I have canceled every game I have ever played that had a subscription/cash shop combo. I played WOW until it was applied there /cancel also played eq2 until it came out there /cancel. Now you guys have made a first you actually made me /cancel before I even hit resubscribe.
Your complete and utter disrespect to your player base is god awful. Any cash shop in a P2P game is wrong.
In regards to the people that say its just "vanity items" I say look at the resources applied to the "vanity" items area of the game and tell me that those resources could not have instead been used to make the game more fun.
Best regards to the community it is still one of the best out there in regards to MMO's. Too bad CCP has trampled all over it.
Escabar Torento/Buzzkill Testafo
because a game developer has the sacred duty to spend all their resources in what YOU are interested in. God forbid they try to get some additional revenue at least part of which will then be reinvested in the game you play.
the Nex doesn't influence your gameplay experience in any way. If other people being given the chance to waste some money in completely ininfluential items makes you rage so much, you're probably a quite angry person in real life -- Abriael
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.07.30 00:28:00 -
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Amen brother, CCP's greed is sickening and the game is suffering considerably as a result. ~~~
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Abriael VonRosen
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.30 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank Amen brother, CCP's greed is sickening and the game is suffering considerably as a result.
A business looking for revenue = "greed". Now, this is a novel concept. -- Abriael
Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com |
Buzzkill Testafo
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Posted - 2011.07.30 00:37:00 -
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In regards of CCP trampling on its customers I was referring to email/newsletter etc. Every company is out to make a profit. I did not say anything directly what i think should of been worked on. There has been MANY issues/bugs over the years that could have been fixed along with other new content added with the development time. Instead that time was used to create a whole sector of the game which mostly relies on a cash shop to have any meaning at all.
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Adonis Peverell
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Posted - 2011.07.30 00:37:00 -
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Yeah, that's true, resources could have been used in a different area, but that's true for anything CCP does. If they working on the mining system, people complain it doesn't contribute to the PVP experience. They add PVP content, PVE don't give a flying **** at a rolling doughnut. I think a lot of people like the idea of immersion content, and I know a lot of people don't. Everyone has to kind of live with each others playstyles.
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Buzzkill Testafo
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Posted - 2011.07.30 00:44:00 -
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mining/pvp or any other type of content would of come with my subscription just the like emersion content should of as well:) best regards though I understand there are different points of view on the matter. This just happens to be mine and I decided to share it.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.07.30 00:49:00 -
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Heaven forbid CCP expands and wants to become a big time competitor in the gaming community. And heaven forbid that they get extra income so they can do stuff like get better hardware on a regular basis.
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Abriael VonRosen
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.30 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Buzzkill Testafo In regards of CCP trampling on its customers I was referring to email/newsletter etc. Every company is out to make a profit. I did not say anything directly what i think should of been worked on. There has been MANY issues/bugs over the years that could have been fixed along with other new content added with the development time. Instead that time was used to create a whole sector of the game which mostly relies on a cash shop to have any meaning at all.
Development time is very relative my friend. 3D modelers/Texture artists (which are what's needed to create Nex items) don't double up very well as bug squashers and coders.
On the other hand, revenue is very flexible. And it can easily be reinvested in any part of the game. -- Abriael
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Speaker4 theDead
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.30 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Abriael VonRosen
Originally by: Buzzkill Testafo I accepted the 5 day return email to come check out EVE again. I figured what the hell and downloaded the client. I have played eve on and off for quite a while now and I normally only stopped due to Real Life things that all ways come first.
Well CCP I was at work and I was about to log into my accounts page and activate my other 2 accounts (only 1 got the come back offer) when I decided to go take a look at the forums.......all I have to say is WOW what a cluster f...... I have canceled every game I have ever played that had a subscription/cash shop combo. I played WOW until it was applied there /cancel also played eq2 until it came out there /cancel. Now you guys have made a first you actually made me /cancel before I even hit resubscribe.
Your complete and utter disrespect to your player base is god awful. Any cash shop in a P2P game is wrong.
In regards to the people that say its just "vanity items" I say look at the resources applied to the "vanity" items area of the game and tell me that those resources could not have instead been used to make the game more fun.
Best regards to the community it is still one of the best out there in regards to MMO's. Too bad CCP has trampled all over it.
Escabar Torento/Buzzkill Testafo
because a game developer has the sacred duty to spend all their resources in what YOU are interested in. God forbid they try to get some additional revenue at least part of which will then be reinvested in the game you play.
the Nex doesn't influence your gameplay experience in any way. If other people being given the chance to waste some money in completely ininfluential items makes you rage so much, you're probably a quite angry person in real life
You aren't very bright are you? Most people are fed up with sloppy update after sloppy update with nothing but more bugs to show for it. I could care less how they spend thier money, but if they want me to pay for a game, perhaps they should actually invest some effort in it.
Seems like the person that is mad is you, since you seem to be spamming non-stop today....
I congratulate you though, you have given in to corporate greed. The corporations of the world appreciate your support.
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Abriael VonRosen
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.30 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Speaker4 theDead
I congratulate you though, you have given in to corporate greed. The corporations of the world appreciate your support.
I've given in to realism, that involve the fact that if I want a good game to play, the business that make it needs to make a good profit. -- Abriael
Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com |
Buzzkill Testafo
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Posted - 2011.07.30 01:04:00 -
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Very true but on the other hand could those artists not have been working on ship/station/planet items instead? The character textures can def be used in other area's but are they going to be used in areas of this game or other games being made? This could go on for a long time which is why I pointed out that this is my opinion. I am sure there will be people that enjoy the new features and even the cash shop. That does not mean I need to agree with it. It is one of the huge bonuses of being a consumer. I can choose to put my money where my mouth is and not pay for it.
I am now downloading E.Y.E off of steam and starting up a game of X3:tc while it downloads.
Like I said before this game has a great community and it used to have a great developer. Going by most of the posts I see the only part that has changed is the developer portion.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.07.30 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Abriael VonRosen
Originally by: Speaker4 theDead
I congratulate you though, you have given in to corporate greed. The corporations of the world appreciate your support.
I've given in to realism, that involve the fact that if I want a good game to play, the business that make it needs to make a good profit.
So why do you support CCP doing the exact opposite? Or is **** poor product quality the new revenue cornucopia? --------
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Jeremi Fisher
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Posted - 2011.07.30 01:05:00 -
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CCP's 'greed' wouldn't bother me quite so much if the game hadn't been going to **** for a while now and gaining velocity with the latest expansion.
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Abriael VonRosen
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.30 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
So why do you support CCP doing the exact opposite? Or is **** poor product quality the new revenue cornucopia?
If you think this is "**** poor product quality", you must have not played many MMORPGs. -- Abriael
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2011.07.30 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Abriael VonRosen
Originally by: Abrazzar
So why do you support CCP doing the exact opposite? Or is **** poor product quality the new revenue cornucopia?
If you think this is "**** poor product quality", you must have not played many MMORPGs.
**** is ****, even if other **** smells worse. --------
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Abriael VonRosen
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.30 01:10:00 -
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Edited by: Abriael VonRosen on 30/07/2011 01:11:03
Originally by: Buzzkill Testafo Very true but on the other hand could those artists not have been working on ship/station/planet items instead?
because this game already has an immense truckload of ships/stations/planets.
On the other hand, this game lacked avatars, and many found it jarring, to the point of avoiding it. Lots of people want to play starship pilots, not sure how many of those are as excited to play starships.
Quote: Like I said before this game has a great community and it used to have a great developer. Going by most of the posts I see the only part that has changed is the developer portion.
Unluckily MMORPG forums are mostly populated by the most petulant and whiny. It's like this everywhere. If MMORPG forums were any indication of any game's actual community, all MMORPG developers would go bankrupt in two weeks.
Originally by: Abrazzar
**** is ****, even if other **** smells worse.
Do show us how much better you can do :D -- Abriael
Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com |
Postrem Inkunen
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Posted - 2011.07.30 01:15:00 -
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For a game about fictional capitalism, I'd expect more people to understand that businesses exist to make money.
Offering vanity items in a cash shop is not "wrong", nor is it disrespectful. Its optional.
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Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.07.30 01:17:00 -
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Edited by: Silas Cooper on 30/07/2011 01:17:57 If EVE was doing fine then we wouldn't have issues with CCP relocating some of it's resources to other things. Problem is that EVE has been ignored for more than 2 years, gameplay wise. There's so many balance issues, UI issues, drone problems, blasters, SC, SOV and god knows what else. All those things SHOULD have taken precedence over World of Emos and LOL514, as they're being realised from our money.
Only improvements we've seen in 2 years all focussed on making the game look better (easier to market cool looking teasers?) instead of making it play better.
And now that they've wasted all their cash on stuff that isn't EVE, NOW they come to us and say "we gotta make some money folks, here's an MT shop!".
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Abriael VonRosen
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.30 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Silas Cooper Edited by: Silas Cooper on 30/07/2011 01:17:57 If EVE was doing fine then we wouldn't have issues with CCP relocating some of it's resources to other things. Problem is that EVE has been ignored for more than 2 years, gameplay wise. There's so many balance issues, UI issues, drone problems, blasters, SC, SOV and god knows what else. All those things SHOULD have taken precedence over World of Emos and LOL514, as they're being realised from our money.
Only improvements we've seen in 2 years all focussed on making the game look better (easier to market cool looking teasers?) instead of making it play better
Yes, because the game looking better is such a terrible, terrible thing. But as already said, people dedicated to make the game look better don't duble up well as people dedicated to make the game play better.
Unless you think that all the coders and developers have been fired to be replaced with 3d Modelers, animators and texture artists, your argument is pretty pointless. -- Abriael
Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com |
Lakuma
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Posted - 2011.07.30 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Spumantii cue someone asking for his stuff
I'd asked but if he didn't resub...we can't haz it. T_T
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Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.07.30 01:24:00 -
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I dunno, I'd rather have a game that WORKS than one that looks good. Looking good attracts new players, working well keeps current players happy. You might see that different ofcourse.
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Buzzkill Testafo
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Posted - 2011.07.30 01:27:00 -
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"Yes, because the game looking better is such a terrible, terrible thing. But as already said, people dedicated to make the game look better don't duble up well as people dedicated to make the game play better.
Unless you think that all the coders and developers have been fired to be replaced with 3d Modelers, animators and texture artists, your argument is pretty pointless."
They may not be fired. But going by the amount of development over the last couple years can you honestly say you think they are working on EVE or other projects?
I highly doubt they hired full teams to start off these other projects.
So I have a question for you. Do you honestly think the char models etc were designed for EVE or the other games in production? Do you think there other games that come out are going to have the same type of char models which are being used with this expansion?
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Abriael VonRosen
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.30 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Silas Cooper I dunno, I'd rather have a game that WORKS than one that looks good. Looking good attracts new players, working well keeps current players happy. You might see that different ofcourse.
I do. Mostly because some old players will leave over time and there's nothing CCP can do about it. The competition in this market is fierce, and if they thought they won't lose people to SWTOR and some of the other big titles that are gonna come out in the next few seasons they'd be crazy.
Those losses have to be replaced by new players, and making the game look current has a big influence in that.
On a further note, you have a pretty elastic idea of "WORKS", because under all points of view the game works. I haven't seen a single system in the game that doesn't work. Some are not optimal, but that's par for the course in MMORPGs. -- Abriael
Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com |
Speaker4 theDead
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.30 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Abriael VonRosen
Originally by: Silas Cooper Edited by: Silas Cooper on 30/07/2011 01:17:57 If EVE was doing fine then we wouldn't have issues with CCP relocating some of it's resources to other things. Problem is that EVE has been ignored for more than 2 years, gameplay wise. There's so many balance issues, UI issues, drone problems, blasters, SC, SOV and god knows what else. All those things SHOULD have taken precedence over World of Emos and LOL514, as they're being realised from our money.
Only improvements we've seen in 2 years all focussed on making the game look better (easier to market cool looking teasers?) instead of making it play better
Yes, because the game looking better is such a terrible, terrible thing. But as already said, people dedicated to make the game look better don't duble up well as people dedicated to make the game play better.
Unless you think that all the coders and developers have been fired to be replaced with 3d Modelers, animators and texture artists, your argument is pretty pointless.
Yes, looking better and running a lot worse is certainly a reasonable upgrade/tradeoff...right?
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Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.07.30 01:28:00 -
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Edited by: Silas Cooper on 30/07/2011 01:28:41
Originally by: Abriael VonRosen
Originally by: Silas Cooper I dunno, I'd rather have a game that WORKS than one that looks good. Looking good attracts new players, working well keeps current players happy. You might see that different ofcourse.
I do. Mostly because some old players will leave over time and there's nothing CCP can do about it. The competition in this market is fierce, and if they thought they won't lose people to SWTOR and some of the other big titles that are gonna come out in the next few seasons they'd be crazy.
Those losses have to be replaced by new players, and making the game look current has a big influence in that.
On a further note, you have a pretty elastic idea of "WORKS", because under all points of view the game works. I haven't seen a single system in the game that doesn't work. Some are not optimal, but that's par for the course in MMORPGs.
you really are a dev alt, aren't you. Thick and completely lost any sense of reality.
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Cornullus Rage
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Posted - 2011.07.30 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Heaven forbid CCP expands and wants to become a big time competitor in the gaming community. And heaven forbid that they get extra income so they can do stuff like get better hardware on a regular basis.
So with this PR nightmare and player rage, do you think that is helping get to the "big time"? It also seems like you didn't read the emails/newsletters either. The NeX was to put more money in the Dev's pockets not on hardware.
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Abriael VonRosen
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.30 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: Buzzkill Testafo
They may not be fired. But going by the amount of development over the last couple years can you honestly say you think they are working on EVE or other projects?
Besides those that were working on Carbon, that can be pretty much defined as people working on all three games (but again, engine techies aren't exactly peole that you can put there to work on game balance or bug squashing), I didn't hear about massive relocation of CCP staff from Iceland to the studios of New York (for WoD) and Shanghai (for DUST). Mind you, it'd be crazy as hell to create a studio in shanghai and then bring your own staff there instead of hiring low cost local staff.
As far as I know in the last few years CCP has been hiring like crazy, so yeah, I'm pretty confident that the EVE online team pretty much remained unchanged or even increased in size.
Even now they're hiring quite a lot as you can see here http://www.ccpgames.com/en/jobs.aspx, and as you can see most of those jobs are not in the US or in Shanghai.
Quote: So I have a question for you. Do you honestly think the char models etc were designed for EVE or the other games in production? Do you think there other games that come out are going to have the same type of char models which are being used with this expansion?
I'm quite sure that they're at least going to use part of the engine and character features for other games, on which i see nothing wrong. Saving money and resources is a good thing. -- Abriael
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Abriael VonRosen
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.30 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Speaker4 theDead
Yes, looking better and running a lot worse is certainly a reasonable upgrade/tradeoff...right?
It sure looks AND runs great on my updated (not even a monster, mind you) gaming PC. Which is normally necessary to play up to date PC games.
I always find it fun how some would love to hold everyone back because they stubbornly refuse to upgrade their PC once in a while.
Originally by: Silas Cooper
you really are a dev alt, aren't you. Thick and completely lost any sense of reality.
Keep telling yourself that. Unfortunately being informed and logical doesn't necessarily mean being a dev. -- Abriael
Contributing Writer - DualShockers.com |
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