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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.08.01 15:03:00 -
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What are your thoughts I get the reasoning for it, and in a game like Diablo who really cares? It's also optional.
I just wonder what it will lead to in the future.
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.08.01 15:15:00 -
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I cancelled my preorder.
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Citizen20100211442
Minmatar Carebear Evolution
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Posted - 2011.08.01 15:16:00 -
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Dont forget, that part of player vs player trade real money, goes to Blizzard jews. Also expect those rich bastards in pvp arena who spent 1000 dollars on game
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Posted - 2011.08.01 15:43:00 -
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It's the only sensible move. Can't beat them, join them. I have no intention of buying any Blizzard games since their StasiNet only days anyway.
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Yoa Loother
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Posted - 2011.08.01 15:57:00 -
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Guild Wars 2, youŠre our only hope.
DonŠt fnck it up with sh!t like that! _ .. darn |
Myxx
Atropos Group
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Posted - 2011.08.01 16:23:00 -
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huge mistake on blizzard's part. --
Originally by: CCP Explorer (and if you guys would also stop using Drakes it would be really appreciated, kthxbye).
Originally by: Tom Gerard
Then again... I am a moron.
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.08.01 16:30:00 -
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Yeah blizzard will make money off it. I do wonder what the potential to earn money will be. Think about it people throw a lot of money at this kinda crap already. granted some of that could be due to "black market aspect" of it.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.08.01 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Alpheias I cancelled my preorder.
Strongly considering it, but I'll be on the fence until I hear more.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.08.01 16:53:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 01/08/2011 16:54:43
IMO, it's a very smart move. The "black market" can't be eliminated, but it can sure get heavily neutered when official alternatives exist. This is basically an official "grey market", with Blizzard getting a cut on all transactions, and the end users DO NOT get screwed in the process.
If any of you thought the black markets were not heavily used anyway before - keep on dreaming.
This made me want to actually consider playing Diablo 3, since I wasn't more than the slightest bit interested before. I probably still won't play it though. _
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.01 16:54:00 -
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I have nothing to found the following on other then my rather limited experience. It always seemed as if the Assassin rate+ item drop was severely gimped as compared to the other classes. IF my assumption is correct and this was so, I hope that Blizzard does not do this for any of the classes in DIII; as it will almost require people that want to play said class to use the MT shop to compete
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.08.01 16:56:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 01/08/2011 16:57:56
Originally by: Slade Trillgon MT shop
It's not a MT shop. It's the in-game market, but allowing cash instead of in-game funds. Items still come from grinding, not out of nowhere. Basically, it's legalized "goldfarming", with Blizzard getting a share of the profits.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.08.01 16:57:00 -
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I was honestly more turned off by the skillpoint/statpoint dumbing down.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.01 16:58:00 -
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I love this idea and I hope it works out really well for players and Blizzard equally. It'll be interesting to see how it works and how it progresses long term. I'm really looking forward to this game. ______________________
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Aeril Malkyre
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.08.01 17:02:00 -
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Since I never participated in DII's ladders anyway, it probably doesn't affect me much. I'd be ****ed if I did.
I'll be interested to see how they're going to handle loot farming though. Me and my friends still get on TCP/IP sometimes and run through Acts together. We max out gold and get all the items, jewels, runes, etc we need. Those can be directly transferred to single player characters. So is this sale house for single player items, or ladder items? If three of us grind away on games set to 8 players and get phat dropz, that would be great to sell them. But everyone else can do it too, which will completely devalue the market.
Also: MT strikes again. The future is here, and it's grabbing your ass, looking for your wallet. ----------------------- The called us fierce marauders Warp riders and guns for hire The night the sky cried tears of fire |
Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.01 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 01/08/2011 16:57:56
Originally by: Slade Trillgon MT shop
It's not a MT shop. It's the in-game market, but allowing cash instead of in-game funds. Items still come from grinding, not out of nowhere. Basically, it's legalized "goldfarming", with Blizzard getting a share of the profits.
Dooh!
Either way; if a class' item drop rate is gimped and that class is a favorite of the players it will be great for the farmers.
:insert tinfoil:
Blizzard does this intentionally and randomly as they see fit
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.08.01 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Aeril Malkyre Since I never participated in DII's ladders anyway, it probably doesn't affect me much. I'd be ****ed if I did.
I'll be interested to see how they're going to handle loot farming though. Me and my friends still get on TCP/IP sometimes and run through Acts together. We max out gold and get all the items, jewels, runes, etc we need. Those can be directly transferred to single player characters. So is this sale house for single player items, or ladder items? If three of us grind away on games set to 8 players and get phat dropz, that would be great to sell them. But everyone else can do it too, which will completely devalue the market.
Also: MT strikes again. The future is here, and it's grabbing your ass, looking for your wallet.
There is no offline/singleplayer/lan mode for D3.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.08.01 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis I was honestly more turned off by the skillpoint/statpoint dumbing down.
It's basically how Guild Wars 1 was doing it. _
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.08.01 17:10:00 -
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Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 01/08/2011 17:10:45 didn't have a lot of interest in it beforehand, but i'll be damned if i'll bother now
e: especially with always-online DRM stuff, too. stupid, stupid, stupid. _____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like. |
Aeril Malkyre
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.08.01 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
Originally by: Aeril Malkyre Since I never participated in DII's ladders anyway, it probably doesn't affect me much. I'd be ****ed if I did.
I'll be interested to see how they're going to handle loot farming though. Me and my friends still get on TCP/IP sometimes and run through Acts together. We max out gold and get all the items, jewels, runes, etc we need. Those can be directly transferred to single player characters. So is this sale house for single player items, or ladder items? If three of us grind away on games set to 8 players and get phat dropz, that would be great to sell them. But everyone else can do it too, which will completely devalue the market.
Also: MT strikes again. The future is here, and it's grabbing your ass, looking for your wallet.
There is no offline/singleplayer/lan mode for D3.
Shows how much I've been keeping up. So they're going the Starcraft II route? A net connected 'portal' that runs the game in all it's facets? ----------------------- The called us fierce marauders Warp riders and guns for hire The night the sky cried tears of fire |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.08.01 17:15:00 -
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Well, they're basically making it a MMO. With heavy instancing. So, kind of like Guild Wars 1. Again. _
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.08.01 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 01/08/2011 17:10:12
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis I was honestly more turned off by the skillpoint/statpoint dumbing down.
It's basically how Guild Wars 1 was doing it, no ? That info, and much more
Ugh, don't remind me about GW.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.08.01 17:32:00 -
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Heh, GW... I didn't like it either, but some people are touting it as the best thing since sliced bread or something _
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.08.01 18:03:00 -
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I'm not sure Blizzard would tout the product of it's expatriots.
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Ayieka
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.08.01 18:34:00 -
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at least now when im wasting my life on a game, i can get some dough out of it.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.08.01 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ayieka at least now when im wasting my life on a game, i can get some dough out of it.
I guess this means gaming on the job will be considered moonlighting.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.08.01 18:47:00 -
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Through the wonders of globalization, you'll probably be lucky if you'll even get one dollar per average hour spent playing Diablo3 On the other hand, grind for stuff ? Hell no, just buy it. _
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.08.01 18:54:00 -
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Are they not segregating servers by region anymore?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.08.01 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis Are they not segregating servers by region anymore?
Theoretically, maybe. Practically, you'll get goldfarmers from anywhere on just about any server. _
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.08.01 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis Are they not segregating servers by region anymore?
Theoretically, maybe. Practically, you'll get goldfarmers from anywhere on just about any server.
Well, of course. There were bots, dupers, and illicitly sold items on every D2 sever so that wouldn't provide a barrier.
That said, if you have four smaller marketplaces vs. one large one you could expect items to vary in value and at least early on, hold a premium in the areas with more buyers (ie. the US/EU markets) compared to the seller heavy markets.
In other words, for a few weeks, months, or however long it takes the rmt crowd to become established the regular players may have the ability to make some appreciable coin if they were so inclined.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2011.08.01 21:10:00 -
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Chinese takeaway takes on a new meaning.
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.08.01 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
It's not a MT shop.
well they are also allowing to buy gold on this market, so you can buy gold for $... isn't that MTs ? or anti-MT maybe ?
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.08.01 21:29:00 -
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It's player to player MT. It makes Blizzard no money except for the flat fee upon listing (which hasn't been announced) and sales fee (also flat, not announced). All in all it looks like their best attempt to pre-empt RMT third parties from taking over by setting up a legit shop ahead of time. Nothing is being delivered to the players out of thin air.
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.08.02 00:43:00 -
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This presents quite a huge opportunity for in-game traders. As traders (mostly) profid from the stupid, and there's no lack of stupid in online games, you can make huge in-game profits (ref: EVE Online). Worst case? You lose some virtual jewellery. Best case? You make yourself a hefty sum of cash. ---
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.08.02 00:55:00 -
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Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 02/08/2011 00:56:00 I kindof doubt anyone, barring a few lucky dogs in the first month or so, will be making "hefty," sums of cash. But you never know. It's a blizzard title, so it's invariably going to have an audience plus market volume many orders of magnitude larger than even Jita (on each server).
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Mina Sulva'r
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.08.02 03:13:00 -
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Edited by: Mina Sulva''r on 02/08/2011 03:13:24 Now remember to file any income you earn on what ever tax forms your country has. Not doing so would be a form of tax evasion.
Which maybe the first step in governments taxing virtual income and property (whether you sell sell the item or not).
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.08.02 03:49:00 -
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I wouldn't dream of failing to pay my own salary.
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Shadowsword
The Rough Riders Ares Protectiva
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Posted - 2011.08.02 05:43:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 01/08/2011 16:54:43
IMO, it's a very smart move. The "black market" can't be eliminated, but it can sure get heavily neutered when official alternatives exist. This is basically an official "grey market", with Blizzard getting a cut on all transactions, and the end users DO NOT get screwed in the process.
This will hamper the black market, but it's also an open invitation to botting, and those who don't bot will get screwed. ------------------------------------------
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.08.02 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword This will hamper the black market, but it's also an open invitation to botting, and those who don't bot will get screwed.
How does this incentivise botting any more than the usual off-the-record RMT business and personal-gain botters normally do?
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.08.02 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
Originally by: Shadowsword This will hamper the black market, but it's also an open invitation to botting, and those who don't bot will get screwed.
How does this incentivise botting any more than the usual off-the-record RMT business and personal-gain botters normally do?
botters will be able to sell items they get with blizzard's protection over the sales and transfer for RL cash, which is very positive for them
and by having a legit items marketplace, the amount of players using it will increase significantly, which means more demand and more money to be made therein _____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like. |
Written Word
Written Word's Tax Haven
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Posted - 2011.08.02 07:04:00 -
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In before somebody tries to go internet lawyer on somebody for scamming them out a sword they bought with their allowance/coke money/pension.
D3 probably needs this in the long run. They can't ever stop item sales/botting/gold farming, so they might as well try to replace the black market with a legal one. A lot like PLEX/GTC in EVE.
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.08.02 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: Nimrod Nemesis
Originally by: Shadowsword This will hamper the black market, but it's also an open invitation to botting, and those who don't bot will get screwed.
How does this incentivise botting any more than the usual off-the-record RMT business and personal-gain botters normally do?
botters will be able to sell items they get with blizzard's protection over the sales and transfer for RL cash, which is very positive for them
and by having a legit items marketplace, the amount of players using it will increase significantly, which means more demand and more money to be made therein
People who will use the RMAH are not exclusive to botters. There are players who will bot for in-game rewards, players who will bot for money, and players who may or maynot do either. The exitance of a legitimate cash market doesn't make the bot coders any more efficient, it doesn't make the player base any more willing to break the EULA, and it certainly doesn't mean Blizzard will not try to stamp it out.
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Posted - 2011.08.02 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mina Sulva'r Now remember to file any income you earn on what ever tax forms your country has. Not doing so would be a form of tax evasion.
Yeah, I thought this would be a nice playground for lawyers. They could accuse people of selling professionally and sue them for tax evasion.
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Alex Sinai
Mining And Probing Specialists
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Posted - 2011.08.03 19:21:00 -
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I'd say a smart move be Blizzard. Instead of playing "high morale above all else" they simply admit real life trends and decided to take on it. I would only support if CCP introduce that kind of system instead of their MT shop which will benefit only CCP with that kind of pay for play and pay to win/look good/show off if you ***b. Don't tell me they wont do it. They had no plans for MT shop too a year back. At least Blizzard did it fairly and honestly it will add a lot of interest into the game. You have more options to choose from and even earn some real life cash while playing your beloved game. Of course it opens some new possibilites for black market too but somehow I think Blizzard will manage to eliminate most of that. Did not intended to check D3 at all but now I will out of curiousity to see how that work. Can't deny they possibly making a revolution in MMO industry. Surprisingly CCP have to learn something off Blizzard. Never thought I would say that.
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Brujo Loco
Amarr Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2011.08.03 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Sinai I'd say a smart move be Blizzard. Instead of playing "high morale above all else" they simply admit real life trends and decided to take on it. I would only support if CCP introduce that kind of system instead of their MT shop which will benefit only CCP with that kind of pay for play and pay to win/look good/show off if you ***b. Don't tell me they wont do it. They had no plans for MT shop too a year back. At least Blizzard did it fairly and honestly it will add a lot of interest into the game. You have more options to choose from and even earn some real life cash while playing your beloved game. Of course it opens some new possibilites for black market too but somehow I think Blizzard will manage to eliminate most of that. Did not intended to check D3 at all but now I will out of curiousity to see how that work. Can't deny they possibly making a revolution in MMO industry. Surprisingly CCP have to learn something off Blizzard. Never thought I would say that.
Exactly my GRUDGE againts the bunch of liars at CCP. They just do stuff without even SAYING bluntly what they doing. Blizzard spouts out to the world their plan, the rules are not changed midgame and everyone knows what they getting into. Simple, honest and brutally efficient, unlike the cheap booze winos and drunkards at CCP. ---Eve is not dying, its being murdered ----
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Nimrod Nemesis
Amarr Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2011.08.03 21:27:00 -
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Edited by: Nimrod Nemesis on 03/08/2011 21:27:49 Well, to be fair, Blizzard has with D3 a complete diffirent game than CCP with EVE. They've made it completely clear to the fans that D3 is a co-op, PvE-driven rpg almost the polar opposite of EVE. They've also made it clear that they don't want such a RLmarket system for an MMO that has more emphasis on pvp (clearly they would take issue with CCP's approach). They also don't have to worry about PLEX (or subscriptions for that matter).
I totally agree Blizzard did the right thing by implementing this and fully explaining why up-front (even prior to the beta), but it's really apples and oranges we're talking about.
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