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Shane Joven
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:08:00 -
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Will their be a Tech 2 Version of the frigate? |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
203
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:09:00 -
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NEVER MIND! I am so so happy for that role bonus. Completely fixes the role versus cruisers. There just isn't anything intresting on the front page of the GD anymore. Yawn! |
Saracha
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:09:00 -
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NearNihil wrote:This is an entry-level mining ship, by the looks of it. I'd expect a T2 version of it to be focused on gas mining rather than a (supposedly) cheap T1 frigate, so don't get your knickers in a twist over a cheap, fragile-as-a-pod t1 frigate that doesn't quite mine as well as the others.
That's going off on the expectation that there will in fact be a T2 version. I'm just curious as to whether or not this will be a mining ship that a experienced player would want to fly as well. Experienced players, especially in places where its sometimes difficult to bring in many different ships like wormholes, aren't going to bring in these ships if they know that they will preform poorly in comparison to their current tools. However if these new ore frigates preform equally well or better than non specialized ships, but have the added benefit of a large cargo hold, they will see more use. Especially from older players.
This use is important to getting these ships in to newbie hands. If there is a low market for these ships, then they will be harder for newbies to buy. Which is very counterproductive if you want this ships to be primarily for newbies starting out on a mining career.
Also if many of these fragile ships were to be flow in places like wormholes. Where a stealth bomber could take them out. How much fun would that be? |
Saracha
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:10:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:
- The bonuses multiply, thus its 2*1.25 = 2.5 boost at level 5. Thus the 2 bonused gas harvesters become 5.
- The ship was play tested in low-security gas sites - it's not necessarily made to tank null-security sites as it is an entry level hull.
- As said in the OP, industry tutorials should be changed to give this frigate instead of the old ones.
Well I guess that answers that.
Looks good. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
877
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:11:00 -
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Gogela wrote:
Hay CCP Ytterbium, I would like to chime in w/ a suggestion.
Everything looks really good as a mining frigate (I guess) but you know, this wouldn't be a bad little ninja salvager ship if you would give it a little bit of a bonus to salvaging (5%?) and at least 250m3 of cargo space. Doable?
I think this should be made as a limited edition series for Winter Holidays using this hull as a salvager.
That's just me though. Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Shiroh Yatamii
Alexylva Paradox
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:13:00 -
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People are concerned about the fragility of this ship, but I do clearly see that you'll be able to fit two Miner IIs and, with the extra highslot, a cloak. And with enough PG to fit a MWD, you can be sure you'll be able to escape from most enemies quickly (MWD+Cloak alignment trick).
Looks nice and agile! I'll have to pick one up for null ninja mining. |
Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
65
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:14:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:
I think this should be made as a limited edition series for Winter Holidays using this hull as a salvager.
That's just me though.
Use a noctis, or use a frigate that is unbonused. There doesn't need to be more annoying salvagers in highsec. It isn't meant to be a "ninja" profession. |
Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
191
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:14:00 -
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Acac Sunflyier wrote:NEVER MIND! I am so so happy for that role bonus. Completely fixes the role versus cruisers.
no, its not - they have exactly the same yield
At the same time, if you compare two players with gam mining at lvl 4 (no t2 harvasters AND max 4 harvasters) the mining frig wins even at lvl 1
Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff? |
Sylvilagus Palustris
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:16:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:
- The bonuses multiply, thus its 2*1.25 = 2.5 boost at level 5. Thus the 2 bonused gas harvesters become 5.
- The ship was play tested in low-security gas sites - it's not necessarily made to tank null-security sites as it is an entry level hull.
- As said in the OP, industry tutorials should be changed to give this frigate instead of the old ones.
Assuming that gas harvesters work like all the other mining lasers, the 2.5 would be rounded down to 2, for a total of 4 units/cycle. |
Paikis
Lycosa Syndicate Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:17:00 -
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Does gas fit in an ore bay? Assuming it does, the only appeal this ship has to me (wormhole gas sucking) is that it will cost less when it blows up (gas suckers are expensive!) it seems to be bonuses for gas, but it actually is no bonus at all.
I hope there are plans for a gas ship, because this is not the messiah we were promised! |
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Arele
Valar Morghulis. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:19:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:Hello folks, This topic is about the ORE frigate coming out this winter. While its concept art can be seen in the Ship Balancing Summer Update blog and some speculation has already started, time has come to talk about it in details. Designed as an entry mining ship, it will replace the old 4 mining frigates in the Industry Career Path (the Tormentor, Bantam, Navitas and Burst). Compared to them, it has a much improved mining output, capacitor reliance and mobility, while having a decent 5000m3 ore hold. Its purpose is to be a fast hull capable of mining in hostile space (even if the current value of high-sec ores defeats this quite a bit, but that's another problem). It also serves as a gas harvester, a profession that was lacking love until now. With its +2 warp core strength bonus, it should stand a fair chance of doing its job in low-security space without being instantly tackled and killed. It also comes with a brand new skill, mining frigate, rank 2. Further down the drain we will change mining barge skill requirements to need mining frigate at 4, but not for winter - we'll most likely do that at the same time as the Destroyer and Battlecruiser skill changes to minimize training issues and complications. Again, since its the entry ship for mining, expect the market price to be low. Mining frigate skill bonuses:+5% to mining yield per level +5% to gas harvesting yield per level Role bonuses:+100% to mining yield +100% to gas harvesting yield + 2 warp core stabilizer bonus Slot layout: 3 H, 3 M, 1 L, 2 turrets Fittings: 45 PWG, 240 CPU Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 225 / 175 / 200 Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 250 / 125s / 2 Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 335 / 3.6 / 1200000 / 4.04s Drones (bandwidth / bay): 10 / 10 Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 15km / 750 / 5 Sensor strength: 4 Magnetometric Signature radius: 40 Cargo capacity: 50 Ore hold: 5000 Constructive comments are welcome Wow, it's like you read my mind on the gas thing with the reddit post. Good to see the gas use on there, as it makes this ship something everyone can want to fly, not just mining newbies. WH gassers are going to love this. |
Rayge PVV
Wormbro Ocularis Inferno
6
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:44:00 -
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Paikis wrote:Does gas fit in an ore bay? Assuming it does, the only appeal this ship has to me (wormhole gas sucking) is that it will cost less when it blows up (gas suckers are expensive!) it seems to be bonuses for gas, but it actually is no bonus at all.
I hope there are plans for a gas ship, because this is not the messiah we were promised!
my thoughts too, I agree completely. Speculation is that they will make a dedicated gas cruiser, as the frigate is supposed to be the 'entry level' version.
The math is actually really good if you only have gas harvesting 2, meaning that wh's who haven't gas harvested before will have only a minimal time investment in order to start. Good bye 10 LADAR sites in 1 c1 :P GÇÄ"Don't give yourselves to the unnatural men, machine men, with machine minds and machine hearts. You are not machines, you are not cattle, you are men!" -Charlie Chaplin |
Mara Tessidar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
658
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:09:00 -
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Ehhhh....5000 m3 is a bit much for a frigate. EveO is a circus train that is for bafflingly unclear reasons also carrying tanks of chlorine gas,-ácrashing and exploding in the middle of a small midwestern town. -áCalling it a mere train wreck gives neither the entertainment nor the horror it offers its proper due. |
Nikolai Dostoyevski
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:10:00 -
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Saracha wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:
- The bonuses multiply, thus its 2*1.25 = 2.5 boost at level 5. Thus the 2 bonused gas harvesters become 5.
- The ship was play tested in low-security gas sites - it's not necessarily made to tank null-security sites as it is an entry level hull.
- As said in the OP, industry tutorials should be changed to give this frigate instead of the old ones.
Well I guess that answers that. Looks good.
+1
Love this frigate. Can't wait to run some forays into low-sec to do some mining.
I have a feeling pirates are going to have quite a few more targets soon. This is a nice, albeit minor, boost to low-sec.
Any thoughts on how hard this frigate would be to scan down if you have 3 ECCMs equipped? |
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CCP Ytterbium
C C P C C P Alliance
1179
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:13:00 -
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And yes, folks, despite its name, gas is automatically harvested into the Ore hold. Wanted to file a bug report to CCP Tuxford in case it didn't, but he was quite clever and implemented that ahead of time during the mining barge changes Clever girl. |
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Sun Win
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:20:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:
- The bonuses multiply, thus its 2*1.25 = 2.5 boost at level 5. Thus the 2 bonused gas harvesters become 5.
- The ship was play tested in low-security gas sites - it's not necessarily made to tank null-security sites as it is an entry level hull.
- As said in the OP, industry tutorials should be changed to give this frigate instead of the old ones.
So I can continue to fly my Harbinger or Thorax or Moa or whatever with many stabs and 5x Gas Harvester IIs or I can divert my training path to push a Rank 2 skill to 5 to then get the same performance? Bad deal for the industrialists. I was really hoping to switch over to this shiny thing when carebearing in a hole. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
2263
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:21:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:
- The bonuses multiply, thus its 2*1.25 = 2.5 boost at level 5. Thus the 2 bonused gas harvesters become 5.
- The ship was play tested in low-security gas sites - it's not necessarily made to tank null-security sites as it is an entry level hull.
- As said in the OP, industry tutorials should be changed to give this frigate instead of the old ones.
Thanks for the response! <3
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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PinkKnife
The Scope Gallente Federation
218
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:22:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:And yes, folks, despite its name, gas is automatically harvested into the Ore hold. Wanted to file a bug report to CCP Tuxford in case it didn't, but he was quite clever and implemented that ahead of time during the mining barge changes Clever girl.
Just capitalize it, like ORE hold, and add a little TM badge to it.
Then it's just fancy corporate jargon :D |
Tarsas Phage
Freight Club
92
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:24:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:And yes, folks, despite its name, gas is automatically harvested into the Ore hold. Wanted to file a bug report to CCP Tuxford in case it didn't, but he was quite clever and implemented that ahead of time during the mining barge changes Clever girl.
So based on that, an Orca can now haul gas in their ore holds?
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
878
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:31:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:CCP Ytterbium wrote:
- The bonuses multiply, thus its 2*1.25 = 2.5 boost at level 5. Thus the 2 bonused gas harvesters become 5.
Thanks for the response! <3 -Liang
2 (aka +100%) *1.25 * 2 = 5 no matter how many ways you try and flip the factors around.
You know this ;p
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Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
582
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:37:00 -
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Hrm...
Two (gas) miner IIs, cloak, MWD, a few shield modules, DCU or nano, rigs to taste, looks like it'll all fit. The ore hold is pretty damn big, but I won't complain. The drones are pretty useless but it's an upgrade path option.
4 sec align time is tasty. Nothing Found |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1131
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:39:00 -
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add another bonus, 90% reduction to gas cloud environmental damage
Come on , do it. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Sinigr Shadowsong
WATAG Academy SOLAR WING
12
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:40:00 -
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Isn't 750 scan resolution too much for mining frig? It's not supposed to catch pods on gates I guess. |
Soko99
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.09.21 18:57:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:muhadin wrote:Gets owned by gas cloud damage, GFGF Depends on where you are harvesting. None of the lowsec or WH clouds I've ever mined have ever done damage. They don't explode. This is unique to a specific handful of nullsec clouds. Frankly, I'd prefer all booster-gas mining and drug production be moved into lowsec anyways, but thats a debate for another thread...
Except there's gas in WHs too that are required for t3 production.. (haven't ran into a damaging cloud yet though) |
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
295
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Posted - 2012.09.21 19:01:00 -
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Sinigr Shadowsong wrote:Isn't 750 scan resolution too much for mining frig? It's not supposed to catch pods on gates I guess.
It has better scan resolution (and better #locked targets) than a Punisher has, but these values are still not high.
I was more struck by how crippled its stats are in general. Thou Shalt Not Comedy This. |
Soko99
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.09.21 19:06:00 -
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Probably won't bother with this until a better or a cruiser version comes out. I mean. Why bother.. if the return is the same as a BC. Which has better tank and doesn't need any extra skills. 2 weeks of training just so I can gas the same amount as in my cane.
The inconvenience of hauling that gas is very minor in comparison. But I guess if I was new it would make sense.. |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
580
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Posted - 2012.09.21 19:20:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:And yes, folks, despite its name, gas is automatically harvested into the Ore hold. Wanted to file a bug report to CCP Tuxford in case it didn't, but he was quite clever and implemented that ahead of time during the mining barge changes Clever girl.
tuxford is a chick? Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Cpt Gobla
No Bullshit Jokers Wild.
93
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Posted - 2012.09.21 19:23:00 -
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Hrm... seeing as Gas Clouds come in chunks of 10m3 and you can't harvest half-chunks the gas bonus is completely useless on T1 harvesters and only useful on T2 harvesters when maxed.
At lvl 1 it would give 21m3 on a T1 Harvester but you can't harvest 1m3 of gas. So you harvest 2 chunks. At lvl 5 you harvest 25m3 but, again, you only get 2 chunks. Only with a T2 Harvester and ORE Frigate V do you hit 50m3 which translates to one additional chunk gained.
Skill Level <-> Actual yield per T1 Harvester <-> Actual yield per T2 Harvester 1 <-> 20m3 <-> 40m3 2 <-> 20m3 <-> 40m3 3 <-> 20m3 <-> 40m3 4 <-> 20m3 <-> 40m3 5 <-> 20m3 <-> 50m3 |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
580
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Posted - 2012.09.21 19:28:00 -
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Sinigr Shadowsong wrote:Isn't 750 scan resolution too much for mining frig? It's not supposed to catch pods on gates I guess.
it is not a mining frig...
3 high slots!!!! nuets!!!
3 mid slots!!!! mwd point tracking disrupter!
1 low??? dcu II
2 warrior II
personally i wish the ship got a bonus to mining drones and they gave the thing a 25 drones bay... Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Irate Fox
Aideron Technologies
0
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Posted - 2012.09.21 19:30:00 -
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CCP Ytterbium wrote:
- The ship was play tested in low-security gas sites - it's not necessarily made to tank null-security sites as it is an entry level hull.
I'll take this as assurance I needn't be worried as much as I am
Post fit? |
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