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Bob Niac
Gallente freelancers inc Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.08.03 20:05:00 -
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Gonna enrage people with this one. However, I think it makes sense, no split ships anymore, so bonuses can be focused.
Basilisk: Shield Transfer Oneiros: Remote Armor Repairer Guardian: Energy Transfer Scimitar: Dunno .. Tracking seems kind of pointless .. ECCM?
Also I think CCP should move the +transfer bonus to -cycle time. Makes for a more even flow of repair, and frigs / Drones actually have a chance of being combat repaired.
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grazer gin
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Posted - 2011.08.03 22:22:00 -
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Lol no i wont even bother saying why
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Spartis Reave
Gallente Applied Creations
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Posted - 2011.08.03 23:17:00 -
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No, next time you decide to be so stupid please include cheese somewhere in your post so I can giggle instead of facepalm.
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E man Industries
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Posted - 2011.08.04 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Bob Niac Gonna enrage people with this one. However, I think it makes sense, no split ships anymore, so bonuses can be focused.
Basilisk: Shield Transfer Oneiros: Remote Armor Repairer Guardian: Energy Transfer Scimitar: Dunno .. Tracking seems kind of pointless .. ECCM?
Also I think CCP should move the +transfer bonus to -cycle time. Makes for a more even flow of repair, and frigs / Drones actually have a chance of being combat repaired.
I understand what you are getting at. But saying that the guardian and onerios are to similar is like saying a raven and an dominix are to similar because they both do damage.
Healing damage is what logi's do...if they don't repair damage there is no point. Also the current logi are wonderfully balanced and different(except onerios)
Who would bring a guardian to a fleet if it did not provide reps?
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Comy 1
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2011.08.04 16:30:00 -
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Edited by: Comy 1 on 04/08/2011 16:30:16
Originally by: Bob Niac Oneiros: Remote Armor Repairer
Quote: Bob Niac Gallente freelancers inc Imperial 0rder
I see what you did there.
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2011.08.04 17:03:00 -
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Removing the Repping ability from a logi would completely obsolete it!
Besides, all logi's have 2 bonuses, not one...
Guard = Armor Reps + Energy Xfer Onieros = Armor Reps + Tracking Links Basilisk = Shield Reps + Energy Xfer Scimitar = Shield Reps + Tracking Links
You could make an argument that Tracking Links just aren't as useful as Energy Transfers, and that they Onieros/Scimi should have a better second bonus, but you can't take away repping form a logi ships without making it useless! Are the scanning frigates with a damage bonus and a scanning bonus a split ship? Are ships with an armor/shield resistance bonus and a damage bonus a split ship? Are ships with a cargo hold bonus and a mining bonus a split ship? Are ships with a tractor beam bonus and a damage/salvaging/repping bonus a split ship? Are ships with an active tank bonus and a damage bonus a split ship? Are ships with bonus' to two different types of weapon systems a split ship? Are ships with an EWAR bonus and a damage bonus a split ship? Are ships with multiple EWAR bonuses split ships?
Almost ever ship in eve falls into one of the above categories... So what do you mean by no more split ships anymore?
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Bob Niac
Gallente freelancers inc Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.08.05 04:08:00 -
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Split bonuses for something that alters the setup of a ship to the point that you fit 3 logi modukes instead of 6. And please dont whine "oh the gardian would become useless." Because as a level 5 logi pilot in all 4 ships, and carrier in amarr and caldari, I call bull.
Logi is about working together at its core. We are the good guys. So if you can bring one race and be good, fine. But personally I hate seeing that guy who can only fly caldari be shut down because it's scimis only, for example.
So let's be able to bring one ship to the table and have it work well. But let's also have the option to bring all 4 of them so we can be brilliant.
So.. 5 high slots. Ships are cap stable with 5 transfers running in battery mode and logi 5, 3 with a tank.
Amarr distibutes cap to basi/one and scimi.
Basi reps other basi and... Actually.. Caldari are ECM *****s. ECCM for them? Anti jam ftw.
Onerios rem rep themselves and gardian.
Scimi gets shields.
It might be a hell tank tho.
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Lt banaan
Trojan Trolls Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.08.06 02:04:00 -
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Quote: But personally I hate seeing that guy who can only fly caldari be shut down because it's scimis only, for example.
This part made me gigle the most, since that line i cant take u seriously anymore.
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Bob Niac
Gallente freelancers inc Imperial 0rder
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Posted - 2011.08.06 04:32:00 -
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Elighten me. I know it was because my FCs were ******s, but it still happens.
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Lady Spank
Amarr In Praise Of Shadows
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Posted - 2011.08.06 04:40:00 -
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Pathetic ~~~
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Manique
Caldari Ominous Corp
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Posted - 2011.08.06 04:53:00 -
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i am logi 4, and l basilisk all the time, although I can fly scimi and guardian and ever oneiros I would like you to think why am I always flying the basilisk and only it ;)
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Andy Landen
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.08.11 04:37:00 -
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You know what? Let's just make logistics little carriers. Helps in training for the roles.
Basi and Scimi: Bonus Shield resists. Bonus Shield RR and Energy bounce cap activation amount and range.
Replace shield with armor for Oneiros and Guardian.
All logi: Drone Bay 250 and bandwidth 125. Sensor strength 28. 6 High slots.
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Marak Mocam
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Posted - 2011.08.11 10:49:00 -
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I'm not enraged. More a /facepalm reaction.
Basilisk - groups of logistics backing up fleets using shields. Guardian - groups of logistics backing up fleets using armor.
Scimitar - soloist logistics backing up a small gang using shields. Oneiros - soloist logistics backing up small gang using armor.
That's pretty much how they work. Both the Oneiros and Scimitar can get cap stable while fulfilling their mission. Basilisk and Guardians hit issues so the power transfer helps address it.
The problem: "small gangs using armor" don't really work well in the game. They are slow and, as such, the Oneiros really doesn't have a spot that it shines at. Also, to get it well tanked, the Oneiros fits a shield tank. Kind of b-ass ackwards from how it should fit to do its job well.
What is needed is some adjustment to the Oneiros so it can "fit properly" to get its job done and match up with how the other 3 logistics ships work. The situation sucks but it is "odd-man-out".
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Tub Chil
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Posted - 2011.08.11 15:26:00 -
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you should totally set up a gang supported like this and bring to 77s
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