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Jitas Prostitute
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Posted - 2011.08.08 18:12:00 -
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Ok, I was sitting outside of jita dueling in my rifter (I'm caldari specced btw) and I was dominating all of the T1 frigates that came at me.
We didn't fight to the death but still, why are minmatar frigates so overpowered?
Also I seen a hurricane kill 3 drakes solo, how is this possible?! -- "i will do anything and look like ten shades of loser for her. If that isnt manning up.. I dont know what is." -TheDarkness Incarnate (beta male) |
Jitas Prostitute
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Posted - 2011.08.08 18:15:00 -
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So my Amarr friend has been complaining nonstop about how bad amarr is at pvp. While I don't pvp much, I would have to agree.
It would seem anyone with a couple of nuets and some nuet drones could take out an amarr ship pretty quickly.
My rifter could fit 2 nuets if I put only 3 guns on it. Do you guys think this would be enough to kill any amarr ship? -- "i will do anything and look like ten shades of loser for her. If that isnt manning up.. I dont know what is." -TheDarkness Incarnate (beta male) |
e eek'd
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.08 18:18:00 -
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no were near overpowerd at all just low maintenance. 1 cane pop 3 drakes? sounds like a trollololol as a solo drake can pop cane. All depends on pilot skills and not how the ship is designed.
trollololol?
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Mara Abraham
Minmatar Faction Warriors 411
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Posted - 2011.08.08 18:23:00 -
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Hi Jitas:
Have a skilled Amarrian in an Iquisitor fight you; if they now whey they are doing, they will win at least 80% of the time against you.
A lot of it has to do with pilot skill, and x vs y.
Thank you.
--- Mara Abraham
* http://www.factionalwarfare.info
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Jitas Prostitute
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Posted - 2011.08.08 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Jitas Prostitute on 08/08/2011 18:26:17 Edited by: Jitas Prostitute on 08/08/2011 18:25:44
Originally by: e eek'd no were near overpowerd at all just low maintenance. 1 cane pop 3 drakes? sounds like a trollololol as a solo drake can pop cane. All depends on pilot skills and not how the ship is designed.
trollololol?
sorry I don't get it... how can skill possibly come into play when a ships fitting is what determines how strong it is?
Originally by: Mara Abraham Hi Jitas:
Have a skilled Amarrian in an Iquisitor fight you; if they now whey they are doing, they will win at least 80% of the time against you.
A lot of it has to do with pilot skill, and x vs y.
Thank you.
edit: Seriously im not trolling here but how can your ship counter nuets with skill? I mean aside from running -- "i will do anything and look like ten shades of loser for her. If that isnt manning up.. I dont know what is." -TheDarkness Incarnate (beta male) |
Strecs Moliko
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Posted - 2011.08.08 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jitas Prostitute Edited by: Jitas Prostitute on 08/08/2011 18:26:17 Edited by: Jitas Prostitute on 08/08/2011 18:25:44
Originally by: e eek'd no were near overpowerd at all just low maintenance. 1 cane pop 3 drakes? sounds like a trollololol as a solo drake can pop cane. All depends on pilot skills and not how the ship is designed.
trollololol?
sorry I don't get it... how can skill possibly come into play when a ships fitting is what determines how strong it is?
Originally by: Mara Abraham Hi Jitas:
Have a skilled Amarrian in an Iquisitor fight you; if they now whey they are doing, they will win at least 80% of the time against you.
A lot of it has to do with pilot skill, and x vs y.
Thank you.
edit: Seriously im not trolling here but how can your ship counter nuets with skill? I mean aside from running
Minmatar is currently king of pvp due to two reasons: 1: They, by and large, are the fastest ship which allows them to both dictate range and have a GTFO ability. 2: A very high alpha on their weapons.
You are what I call a "on paper" PvPer. Basically all you do is look at balance from a math PoV. While yes nuts can destroy an Amars tank and guns, not every ship has nuets fitted. While Heavy T2 nuets have a 24k range med and lights have a much smaller range which means if the amar ship can stay at range the opposing ship can't effectively use them.
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Kiyl
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Posted - 2011.08.08 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jitas Prostitute Edited by: Jitas Prostitute on 08/08/2011 18:26:17 Edited by: Jitas Prostitute on 08/08/2011 18:25:44
sorry I don't get it... how can skill possibly come into play when a ships fitting is what determines how strong it is?
Skill is basically how well you understand your ship, the enemies ship(s) and then understanding how to beat/react to that ship or fitting.
For instance, if you happen to be flying an active tank Rifter against an Incursus with a neut, the general understanding is to orbit out of 1)Neut Range and 2)Blaster Range.
That may not be the best example, but the point is the same.
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Taron Hakard
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Posted - 2011.08.08 19:10:00 -
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This game isn't balanced, not because the blance team is bad, it's because there is no balance team. Don't waste your time complaining.
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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
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Posted - 2011.08.08 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jitas Prostitute Ok, I was sitting outside of jita dueling in my rifter (I'm caldari specced btw) and I was dominating all of the T1 frigates that came at me.
We didn't fight to the death but still, why are minmatar frigates so overpowered?
Also I seen a hurricane kill 3 drakes solo, how is this possible?!
Rifters are excellent because the standard fit rifter can control range, has capless autocannons with excellent range, and can very damage type to hit resist hulls. A buffered merlin and tristan can give it a close fight, easily beating the novice rifter pilot. However, if you know your tactics, the rifter has several tricks up its sleave to decisively win.
Also, 1 cane soloing 3 drakes means the drakes were very bad pilots, or something else was amiss.
Originally by: Jitas Prostitute My rifter could fit 2 nuets if I put only 3 guns on it. Do you guys think this would be enough to kill any amarr ship?
WTB a rifter with 5 high slots.... as a normal rifter only has 4 highs.... Also, a neut's effectiveness is heavily diminished by a NOS. I've solo'd vaga's, dual neut canes, and the like in a ranis, because a NOS typically gives enough cap to keep my guns/scram going.
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Bloutok
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Posted - 2011.08.08 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: Taron Hakard This game isn't balanced, not because the blance team is bad, it's because there is no balance team. Don't waste your time complaining.
+1
Flame ON.
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.08.09 07:53:00 -
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Edited by: Abdiel Kavash on 09/08/2011 07:53:02
Originally by: Taron Hakard This game isn't balanced, not because the blance team is bad, it's because there is no balance team. Don't waste your time complaining.
I'd say that EVE is actually pretty balanced considering how many ships and roles there are, aside from some obvious flaws (hybrids, supercaps).
The OP's problem is that it is not balanced around frigates 1v1ing in front of Jita. ---
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Spookyjay
Caldari Animosity.
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Posted - 2011.08.09 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: Spookyjay on 09/08/2011 11:04:31 There is a difference between best and only viable option you see minmatar are the only ships that allow you to roam without the aid of a big gang of backup 1` jump behind. This is due to their ability to kite a hostile or hostile force and even escape lockdown range from a hostile camp before they can be locked.
If you make a game in such a way that the lone person can only effectively fly 1 ship vs groups logged on then that ship will get used.
There are many great pvp ships and fits belonging to other races. Its just you can't fly them on your own here are a few:
Redeemers Curse pilgrim Legion geddon Bhaalgorn Rattlesnake Gila Taranis Proteus ishtar Vindicator Vigilant Rook falcon Drake
To name a few. What you need to ask is what mechanic is making minmatar ships so desirable. Answer = the travel system, warp to 0, bubbles. and general ganking camp game mechanics.
On a side note a merlin with rockets should beat you mini frig
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TaluxA
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Posted - 2011.08.09 11:07:00 -
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Eve balance is really, really bad but it's kinda made up for by the fact that people can (kind of) pick and choose where and what they want to fight.
I mean the prophecy and ferox are just flat out worse versions of the harbinger and drake. There's barely any reason to have those two ships in the game at all as it stands now.
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Ethan Blue
Caldari Dirty Rotten Bastards
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Posted - 2011.08.10 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Spookyjay Edited by: Spookyjay on 09/08/2011 11:04:31
There are many great pvp ships and fits belonging to other races. Its just you can't fly them on your own here are a few:
Redeemers Curse pilgrim Legion geddon Bhaalgorn Rattlesnake Gila Taranis Proteus ishtar Vindicator Vigilant Rook falcon Drake
To name a few. What you need to ask is what mechanic is making minmatar ships so desirable. Answer = the travel system, warp to 0, bubbles. and general ganking camp game mechanics.
On a side note a merlin with rockets should beat you mini frig
I really hope I misread that and you weren't implying that the Curse, Taranis, Ishtar, Drake and any of the T3's weren't solo capable...
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Dorian Tormak
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Posted - 2011.08.11 20:22:00 -
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Not to mention the Pilgrim, Falcon, Rook, Vindicator, Vigilant and probably more that I was too lazy to read are all solo capable.
What's hilarious about all of this is that one of the main reasons people hate on hybrids is because they don't work well in fleet pvp where range, volley damage and mobility is very important, yet you've got idiots like that saying that the "other races have good pvp ships, you just can't solo in them...", etc.
Thanks a lot you stupid Eve blobber players, you've put off virtually every noob from playing any race but Minmatar because HYBRIDS SUCK AT MAH BLOB PVP
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Mfume Apocal
Minmatar Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.08.11 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Dorian Tormak Thanks a lot you stupid Eve blobber players, you've put off virtually every noob from playing any race but Minmatar because HYBRIDS SUCK AT MAH BLOB PVP
If that was the case, we'd be seeing a lot more solo/small gang Brutix action. Oddly enough, that particular field is dominated by Drakes and Canes.
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Dorian Tormak
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Posted - 2011.08.11 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mfume Apocal
Originally by: Dorian Tormak Thanks a lot you stupid Eve blobber players, you've put off virtually every noob from playing any race but Minmatar because HYBRIDS SUCK AT MAH BLOB PVP
If that was the case, we'd be seeing a lot more solo/small gang Brutix action. Oddly enough, that particular field is dominated by Drakes and Canes.
The problem is all the scruds hear "gallente suck" and then they hear people explain why and BAM, no more solo/gang gallente stuffz, even though it is still very very very more than possible.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente NME1
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Posted - 2011.08.12 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 12/08/2011 00:34:49
Originally by: Jitas Prostitute
Originally by: Mara Abraham Hi Jitas:
Have a skilled Amarrian in an Iquisitor fight you; if they now whey they are doing, they will win at least 80% of the time against you.
A lot of it has to do with pilot skill, and x vs y.
edit: Seriously im not trolling here but how can your ship counter nuets with skill? I mean aside from running
The Inquisitor is a missile frigate with a bonus to EM missile damage (Rifter's weakest). It doesn't need capacitor to fire its weapons. It is also banana-shaped.
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Gibbo5771
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Posted - 2011.08.12 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Jitas Prostitute Ok, I was sitting outside of jita
Yep, problem spotted.
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Daal Mastrom
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Posted - 2011.08.12 10:16:00 -
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Personally I've found the Rifter to be one of the best low skill pvp starters.
Its quite well built, easy enough to tank and doesnt require many fancy gadgets to make it quite good against similar targets. Its obviously not going to be taking the whole Northern Coalition on by itself but against other frigs and some destroyers it can be very effective. I've got some fighting in WH as experience as I've taken out a few T2 ships with shiny fittings in a mostly T1 rifter purely becuase I know how to fly my ship. I fly manual, I make lots of sharp turns that cause turrets to miss, I fly to my ships advantages and I know when to GTFO.
Drakes are the PvP ship of choice for many noobs, i've seen plenty get destroyed by anything that can destroy a buffer tank (SHOOT FOR EM DAMAGE), drakes can simply crumble if they are not built and flown properly. I know, i've been flying one as my main WH combat site ship and have been jumped a once or twice. If its not a proper PvP built drake, dont even bother undocking, I can practically tell u the result now.
...BOOM...
RIFTER FTW
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Daal Mastrom
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Posted - 2011.08.12 10:18:00 -
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Just as a note, I never consider any ship to be bad at PvP, hell theres some darn good Hulk PvP fits out there. I'm not dissing or discarding the drake as a PvP ship, i'm just saying that i've seen too many fail fits explode around the place.
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Jitas Prostitute
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Posted - 2011.08.12 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Daal Mastrom Personally I've found the Rifter to be one of the best low skill pvp starters.
Its quite well built, easy enough to tank and doesnt require many fancy gadgets to make it quite good against similar targets. Its obviously not going to be taking the whole Northern Coalition on by itself but against other frigs and some destroyers it can be very effective. I've got some fighting in WH as experience as I've taken out a few T2 ships with shiny fittings in a mostly T1 rifter purely becuase I know how to fly my ship. I fly manual, I make lots of sharp turns that cause turrets to miss, I fly to my ships advantages and I know when to GTFO.
Drakes are the PvP ship of choice for many noobs, i've seen plenty get destroyed by anything that can destroy a buffer tank (SHOOT FOR EM DAMAGE), drakes can simply crumble if they are not built and flown properly. I know, i've been flying one as my main WH combat site ship and have been jumped a once or twice. If its not a proper PvP built drake, dont even bother undocking, I can practically tell u the result now.
...BOOM...
RIFTER FTW
why would CCP make such an overpowered ship that no one can kill? I thought this game was about balance? -- "i will do anything and look like ten shades of loser for her. If that isnt manning up.. I dont know what is." -TheDarkness Incarnate (beta male) |
Dorian Tormak
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Posted - 2011.08.12 23:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jitas Prostitute Why would CCP make such an overpowered ship that no one can kill? I thought this game was about balance?
Don't pay attention to the stupid Rifter fanboyz!!
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Daal Mastrom
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Posted - 2011.08.12 23:43:00 -
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The rifter is not overpowered, i've lost alot of rifters to better pilots than me, I just personally find it the most fun to fly. Being a caldari player i've been doing ALOT of stuff in my drake, slow, press 1 button every year to reload the launchers, it gets a bit boring. Every game is about fun in the end, and i just simply have the most fun in a rifter than the other frigs i've tried
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Taron Hakard
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Posted - 2011.08.17 07:58:00 -
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Edited by: Taron Hakard on 17/08/2011 08:08:39
Originally by: Dorian Tormak
Originally by: Jitas Prostitute Why would CCP make such an overpowered ship that no one can kill? I thought this game was about balance?
Don't pay attention to the stupid Rifter fanboyz!!
For each Rifter kill there's 100 made by Rifters. Rifter is the ultimate T1 pirating frigate. It has proper tank, cap stability, perfect tracking, web and a scram, great range, great damage, is dependant on only 1 weapon type, can deal any damage type, is very fast and very agile. It ****s as much other frigates as it ****s drones which is essential for taking out big ships. No other T1 frigate is such an amazingly perfect package for lowsec PvP. All the other frigates have some of the strengths of a Rifter, but none comes close as a whole.
Your Incursus fit is made purely for taking out t1 frigs and interceptors, it's meaningless in the overall picture, stop bragging with ****.
EDIT: also if ppl think this game's about balance, they're being fools, there's like 1 guy working on balancing this game and he's either slacking like omfg, not playing this game or simply has no idea. 90% of the time you can either pick a Minmatar ship for PvP or a different ship that'll probably mabe be just as good if all the stars align and everything goes your way. I love my Moa, i love my Merlin and my Ferox i even love to take out my Cormorant, but let's not ****ing kid ourselves, the Rifter, Rupture and the Cyclone are far superior to them.
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Ghost Nightmare
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Posted - 2011.08.17 09:26:00 -
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In a frigate based fleet fight, Punishers and Merlins come into it more because comparatively Rifters pop fast compared to Merlins and Punishers.
In a 1 vs 1 their speed will give them a huge advantage.
Though I find in a honor-fight a punisher with an AB and a Web will usually kill one.
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TaluxA
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Posted - 2011.08.17 13:55:00 -
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About the rifter - it's a better all around ship than any of the other t1 frigates and is the easiest by far to train, but a well fit merlin or tristan will usually kill it.
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Dorian Tormak
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Posted - 2011.08.17 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Taron Hakard For each Rifter kill there's 100 made by Rifters.
Well obviously if everyone believed Pepsi was better than Coke you'd see a lot more Pepsi around than Coke, that's just common sense. People hear Rifter is best, people fly Rifter. Simple as.
Originally by: Taron Hakard Your Incursus fit is made purely for taking out t1 frigs and interceptors, it's meaningless in the overall picture, stop bragging with ****.
What, exactly, is the overall picture? I've tackled Ruppies, killed all their Hobgobs, and survived the blob that came to save him in that Incursus... the only frig that can kill it reliably is, believe it or not, a Rifter. Any other frig is a sitting duck, you can leave whenever you want.
The reason the Rifter is the best frig is because, yes, it has the best of all worlds. It's the only T1 frig that can fit both a Nos and a Web while using all of it's turret slots, it's the fastest, and it's one of the highest dpsers. Anyone who denies it is a moron, but the guys I was replying to were acting like the Rifter simply botch-slaps any other frigs; it's simply not true.
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Skinae
Hello Kitty Hug Patrol
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Posted - 2011.08.17 18:34:00 -
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Edited by: Skinae on 17/08/2011 18:34:33 I'll just leave this here http://vimeo.com/13606488
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Victor Rodet
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.17 21:14:00 -
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Edited by: Victor Rodet on 17/08/2011 21:16:12
Originally by: Skinae Edited by: Skinae on 17/08/2011 18:34:33 I'll just leave this here http://vimeo.com/13606488
Slightly off-topic. Awesome Vid.
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