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Chimera Ur
Nibado Inc
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Posted - 2011.08.09 10:35:00 -
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Hi there.
I just returned to eve after a rather long absence. I just started doing L4s in my Domi and although I do quite fine (it has a great tank) it's incredibly boring. So I decided to stop developing into drones and go either missiles or artillery.
This is my skillset: http://eveboard.com/pilot/Chimera_Ur
I know that I have a long trainingtime ahead of me to train into either missiles or cannons and that I also need to train shield skills, but that's just fine. However, I really don't know which route to take and I'm afraid that I'm going to regret it just as I regret investing so much time into drones.
My main focus is PvE (I plan on going into PvP later but that's not my current concern) and I notice the 'boards' are pretty split between which ship is the most fun to run L4s with. Sofar I've seen the Mach en Vargur on one hand, and missile boats like the Tengy and CNR on the other hand.
If people can compare the boats (and yes, I know it's subjective and that's fine) and give their experiences and pro's and con's, that would be a great help to me to decide which route to take.
Thanks a lot!
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Valor D'eglise
Gallente Red Cross Of Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.09 11:13:00 -
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If you think that the Domi is boring then you will find that missiles are not much of a difference. Sit far away, tank and deliver your damage over long range most of the time. Autocannons however force you to be "in the face" of your enemies, take the heat and there is a lot more clicking involved.
However, after a while of doing that it becomes routine and the first excitement ends...
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Chimera Ur
Nibado Inc
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Posted - 2011.08.09 14:19:00 -
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Well, I did get me a Kestrel on my other account (my salvager) to try it out, and I like shooting missiles everywhere. Doing L1's in that Kestrel is more 'fun' than the looooong L4s in my Domi. I've used cannons on my Myrm too, and I kinda like both weapon systems. I have a slight preference for missiles sofar (they seem to work very well in PvE), but I don't want to gimp myself by going into a certain direction.
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Sjugar
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Posted - 2011.08.09 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Chimera Ur Well, I did get me a Kestrel on my other account (my salvager) to try it out, and I like shooting missiles everywhere. Doing L1's in that Kestrel is more 'fun' than the looooong L4s in my Domi. I've used cannons on my Myrm too, and I kinda like both weapon systems. I have a slight preference for missiles sofar (they seem to work very well in PvE), but I don't want to gimp myself by going into a certain direction.
You don't gimp yourself by going in a certain direction.
I would even say a solid choice in one direction makes you better (unless it's hybrids).
In Eve specialization is key. You can be good at a few things relatively fast which is better then trying to be everytyhing and be terrible or mediocre at that.
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Sannah Ur
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Posted - 2011.08.09 15:26:00 -
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Edited by: Sannah Ur on 09/08/2011 15:26:08 Good point there. My 'dream' boat sofar is either Tengu or Machariel. Am I right to assume that both are 'fun' to play and sort of equally awesome?
Edit: Stupid forum defaulting to this alt. This is the OP.
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Kilrayn
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Posted - 2011.08.09 15:38:00 -
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I just got a crappy (due to my skills ;p) arti maelstrom fit going, used it for a few l4s. The range is amazing. 30km optimal + 60km falloff = one happy gunner, until they get within 5km. Then I'd have trouble hitting BSs at that range. This is probably because my gunnery skills arent that great though I'd assume. Haven't tried ACs yet either.
Missiles are rather easy to use in pve, and rather effective. As long as you're in range, you're hitting them. Never a bad option if you ask me.
But yeah, I'm pretty much in the same spot you are, lot of drone/tank skills and not too much else. I personally am gonna head in the missile direction, already have the skills for a rattlesnake which will make the most use of all the drone skills I have already so those aren't just sitting there not doing much in my missions.
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Ammzi
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Posted - 2011.08.09 18:56:00 -
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To be honest, you will never regret training into drones. You will be using them sooner or later.
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mxzf
Minmatar Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2011.08.09 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ammzi To be honest, you will never regret training into drones. You will be using them sooner or later.
This is what I was about to say. Most ships in Eve have a drone bay (everything BC and up IIRC, and it's the very odd cruiser who doesn't use any drones (there are only 2 T1 cruisers and 7 T2 (including HICs) that don't have any drones, and ALL faction cruisers have drone bays). And anything BS and up relies on drones to take out frigates that their weapons can't hit as well.
In short, Drone SP is never wasted, they're used on just about as much stuff as your fitting skills are.
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Chimera Ur
Nibado Inc
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Posted - 2011.08.10 07:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ammzi To be honest, you will never regret training into drones. You will be using them sooner or later.
Oh, I'm happy with the drone skills, the light II's are very nice against frigates. However training heavies to the next level so I can use T2 versions will take me about 17 days.
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Chimera Ur
Nibado Inc
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Posted - 2011.08.10 07:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kilrayn
Missiles are rather easy to use in pve, and rather effective. As long as you're in range, you're hitting them. Never a bad option if you ask me.
Yesterday I took my alt account with me on a mission, it's flying a Caracal. T1 heavy launchers, very basic stuff. The skills are bad so it doesn't have much in the shield department but the missiles were rather neat. Consistent 115 damage per hit every hit. And it's darn easy to swap to another damage type. Swapping all my drones for every mission gets annoying :)
I am going towards missile boats too, so this means I will somewhere in the not so near future end up in a Tengu, but first I'm going to make sure I can fit a full T2 Drake.
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Substantia Nigra
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Posted - 2011.08.11 03:01:00 -
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Welcome back to eve ... and the eternal juggling act that is our training queue.
As I see it, from a primarily PvE perspective: Drones - Useful in pretty well everything you choose to do. Damage delivery is delayed but also offer quite a range of utility functions. Missiles - Good for high level mission running. Damage is delayed so can lose efficiency thru missiles still being in-transit when target dies. Many missile bonused ships also happen to be very good shield tankers which frees up low slots to further enhance missile damage output. Also pretty good for w-space combat PvE, but not so popular for efficient incursion PvE combat. Projectiles - Better DPS than missiles, skill for skill, but projectile bonused ships not quite as amenable to very strong tanks. Also very good for incursion PvE combat, and (arguably) not as good for w-space combat PvE as missiles. Also very good for PvP. Hybrids - I have precious little experience here but guess they're good a close-range PvP (blasters) and not as good as any other weapon mode for medium / long range damage delivery. Happy to be corrected tho.
So how do you juggle that, and compare machariel/vargur to tengu/CNR? No easy answer, they all have their place and their weaknesses. Of those I don't fly vargur (yet) but have found the mach to be the quickest clearer of tough encounter missions. I've found the rattlesnake (caldari/gallente) to be only a little slower than the machariel (minmatar/gallente) but a whole lot safer tank-wise.
My weapons training approach has been: 1. Drones to T2 medium combat and medium utility; 2. Projectiles to T2 medium arties and A/Cs and loki skills in here); Missiles to T2 heavies and heavy assaults (and tengu skills); Drones to T2 large and T1 sentries; Missiles to T2 cruises ... which is about where I am atm. My plan now is to pursue T2 large autocannons and minmatar BS V to increase the utility of the machariel (already have gallente BS V ... great for rattlesnake drone DPS) and open the door to the vargur.
Shorter term?? The tengu is a fantastic ship that can neatly be turned to many roles. Training missiles to t2 heavy / heavy assault, along with support skills for tengu, is a relatively easy training route to establish some flexibility while you chase-up those longer term goals. If I had my time again I'd have trained tengu and T2 missiles sooner and loki / T2 projectiles later.
Anyways, there must be a squillion ways to skin this proverbial cat, and that is only one of them. Welcome back, and good luck in charting your way ahead thru the complexities of eve.
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Anya Ohaya
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Posted - 2011.08.11 23:56:00 -
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I am going towards missile boats too, so this means I will somewhere in the not so near future end up in a Tengu, but first I'm going to make sure I can fit a full T2 Drake.
Since you are cross training passive shields and missiles you will be able to pick up a Gila on the way.
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Chimera Ur
Nibado Inc
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Posted - 2011.08.12 07:57:00 -
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Substantia Nigra and Anya Ohaya; thanks a lot for your input, was very useful! I more or less decided to go the Tengu route. And it's good to hear I'm not the only one who has issues on what to decide! :)
I have T2 light and med drones, so I'm good on the frig-killers. Although I do understand that cannons are a bit 'better' in some regard (DPS, instant-damage) I really like missiles.
Also thanks for pointing out the Gila, but what would be the benefits of getting one instead of a Drake for the time being? . |
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