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Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
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Posted - 2012.09.29 08:12:00 -
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Polish: "or-Ö++ osoba nak" = "however individual weapons" or "however personal weapons"... no clue if it makes grammatical sense in Polish. I tried to go back to the Greek, "-Ç-ü-î-â-ë-Ç++++" which can mean "person" or "face", but it's structure is so far from Osobnyk that it seems an unlikely match. The Latin is no better with "personam" and "faciem". The Cyrillic languages are consistently the better matches. |
Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2012.09.29 13:22:00 -
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Infomorph Nikilaiki Ruutarhara wrote:http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osoba
It may not make sense at first.
Oh contrare, it makes perfect sense, and touche... It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2012.09.29 15:18:00 -
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A further question, if, as I surmise, the Jovians are Drones living in a virtual world created for them, what then, are Rogue Drones..? Who also have a problem communicating with baseline humans... It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.29 15:23:00 -
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Borascus wrote:Osobn translates into English from Polish to - Separate Anoikis means "programmed cell death" in the common consensus - but oikos in greek means household/family, as seen here. The term Anoikis comes from the Chronicle and backstory.
Not to be too pedantic on something like this, but the deviation of terminology via slang and region usually avoids convergence on another already existent term, the deviation of Osobn from Osoba is not a feasible tangent considering Osobn means separate; which the enclaves emphasize and the distanced and annexed state of Anoikis represents.
As to the Jovian Soul in a sleeper context, as part of a 2-sided debate ofc, it could be construed as being the supreme doctrine of the governing character traits prevalent in the majority of specimens that joined the construct.
It has a relationship with the desire to obtain the corpse of Formator Immensea in the chronicle The Forsaken Ruins (already presented). As the Formator has been suggested as part of a scheme to conclude with the Seyllin Incident. -- The Formator Immensea in this instance represented a pinnacle of community achievement, much like the social version of the Seven Wonders of the World
It has a strong allusion to the naming convention applied to "The Other" as it is singular and a known variable. Yin / Yang and symbiosis within character traits.
Although it adds a layer of commonality to the Admiral Ouria events in YC105 (a very important year on the EVE Insider portal) here
Admiral Ouria Event Synopsis wrote:
In August the universe was held in rapt attention as news filtered out that a Jovian admiral named Ouria had gone rogue after giving away a high-technology item to a non-Jovian, thus violating the non-interference law imposed by the Jovian directorate upon all its subjects. OuriaGÇÖs defection was discovered when word spread of a secret meeting taking place somewhere in the Stain region of space between a group of Jovians and an unknown party. During this meeting, an Amarr pilot who had been determined to investigate the proceedings was shot down by Jovian ships, sparking a diplomatic incident between the two empires. Following this, the Jovians released the information that Admiral Ouria had been stricken with the deadly psychological disorder known as the Jovian Disease and declared him an exile from the Jove Empire, disavowing responsibility and denouncing his actions. CONCORD went one step further, placing a 100 million ISK bounty on his head.
Reports continued to resurface sporadically from the Stain region, where OuriaGÇÖs renegade band was rumored to be scouting around for territories to set up operations in. Their attempts were met with sustained resistance from the corporations of the Stain Alliance and after one particularly bloody and decisive battle, Ouria managed to escape into hiding. A few days later, information came to light that Ouria had developed ties with the infamous Minmatar rebel faction Oracle and rumors circled that he was in talks with them about an alliance. After managing to intercept communications between Ouria and one of his brothers, CONCORD was able to issue a general warning for the sectors of Stain space where the Admiral was believed to be located. Following this narrowing of the field, a massive fleet of Stain Alliance ships tracked down and engaged Ouria and his contingent of Oracle soldiers, defeating the Jovian and his Minmatar cohorts after a long and bloody struggle.
Which ofc, happened in the hotspot of all mad tyrants, the South of the Map near Curse, and with the event happening right in the middle of Sansha Kuvakei's home constellation.
In this respect it would only take one brain scan of Kuvakei to be stored somewhere in Jove space and transported by Admiral Ouria for use in Nation's Information Network "with the right traits as a skillbook" (to use a metaphorical comparison)
Sansha being Deteis is also a common ground with the Jove; with their Tube Children, Scientists and Merchandisers that seek so much to obtain personal mastery of every aspect of a process. |
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
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Posted - 2012.09.29 15:41:00 -
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Roga Dracor wrote:what then, are Rogue Drones..?
The first generation rogue drones of human construction are all named after demons and devils.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asmodeus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belphegor http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incubus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malphas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mammon
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Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
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Posted - 2012.09.29 15:44:00 -
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Roga Dracor wrote:I always thought Sani Sabik was a corruption of Sanguine Sabbath,
I think it is a reference to Blood Libel |
Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
193
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Posted - 2012.09.29 17:02:00 -
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Very nice, I missed that one.. So, who again might the wrongly villified, by the "True" Amarr, Takmahl be? It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
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Posted - 2012.09.29 17:09:00 -
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Roga Dracor wrote: Very nice, I missed that one.. So, who again might the wrongly villified, by the "True" Amarr, Takmahl be?
Yes, I think the "Touched by Evil" semantic of Takmahl is the ancient Amarr pejorative name. |
Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.29 17:41:00 -
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Request for retcon: The Jovian language is a very strange tongue. speech consists entirely of vowels and fluctuates rapidly in frequency. Jove
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Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
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Posted - 2012.09.29 17:42:00 -
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"A very old post of mine" wrote: Something that's never made much sense to me.
The timelines for each of the current powers record their arrival in New Eden and in most cases confirm each other. The cataclysm of the Eve Gate collapse apparent struck them down to a subsistence existence, that required 8000 years to recover. Those 8000 years was similar for all and suggests a regression to a stone age technology level.
Since the Ancient civilisations (Sleepers, Talocan et.al) apparently survived or emerged quickly from the cataclysm we should be able to surmise they where either more powerful or advanced, so as not to suffer such a cataclysmic set back or had their recovery aided.
However their arrival in New Eden goes unrecorded, why?
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Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.29 18:14:00 -
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The post of yours reminds me that the Yan Jung Nation also held a monopoly on transportation (likely force field acceleration / static gate technology) yet they have such a staggeringly under-represented history in New Eden. |
Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2012.09.29 18:27:00 -
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In war, history is generally written by the victor.. What terms a victory is, of course, subjective.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.29 20:04:00 -
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When you explained the Conformist adjective, you gave an insight:
In English History there was a time when a person could be imprisoned for missing Church on a Sunday. The term used for these individuals was Recusant, missing Church on a Sunday was an act of nonconformity with an imposed punishment after a guilty verdict. Guy Fawkes and the other Gunpowder plot members were mainly recusants.
Of note, Conformists as an Enclave would normally be the strict doctrine-adherent variety, unless it is used as a religious conscript of some sort in this context, such as attending Church on a Sunday merely to avoid prosecution. The reclamation could be the conscription of all persons to the Amarrian Religion in its current form, under the auspice of the Amarrian Religion's previous form being Unified, with conformists, occasional non-conformists/dissenters and other subsets.
I've been of the persuasion that the conformists were those who sabotaged the EVE Gate using the "Ancient Terran Technology" incorporated in Jamyl's Superweapon to destabilise the EVE wormhole. Like the Promised Land Wormhole the flux caused by such a weapon would prevent any crossing.
Also, EVE is taken from the inscription at the top of the EVE Gate and New Eden takes its name from the birthplace of mankind, Eve and Adam being the mother and father, as described in the Book of Genesis. However, the writing on the EVE Gate was "largely undecipherable" like the Jovian Language and Oruze Osobnyk.
The Jovian language is "entirely vowels" and in Latin, V is the character used to represent U, it may be that the Gate is titled eeeeeEee-uuuuUuuu-Eeeee in old-style Jovian. |
Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2012.09.29 20:13:00 -
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Kinda ties into my above mention of the Lesser Strain Hive Mother, Lesser and Hive in this case are both adjectives, so the lesser relates to strain and hive to mother, making the strain lesser, not the mother. They belong to the lesser strain, as in Jovian(drone) strain, not a lesser hive mother.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.29 20:18:00 -
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Roga Dracor wrote: Kinda ties into my above mention of the Lesser Strain Hive Mother, Lesser and Hive in this case are both adjectives, so the lesser relates to strain and hive to mother, making the strain lesser, not the mother. They belong to the lesser strain, as in Jovian strain, not a lesser mother..
Classy! As though Lesser Strain would be excluded from the Inner Assembly (to draw a comparison)
One step closer to purity....
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Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
325
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Posted - 2012.09.29 20:37:00 -
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Patrician (ancient Rome) were bestowed special status as Roman citizens, they were essential the aristoracy the political class; compared with the Plebians (Plebs), the rank and file roman citizens denied access to the senate and even the law and below them the slaves. However the Plebs were never actually powerless, they would leave Rome in a Secessio (Secession) which was essentially a general strike. |
Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
199
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Posted - 2012.09.29 20:46:00 -
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Who, originally, if I recall properly, were afforded such position due to their superior intelligence and superior education.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
48
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Posted - 2012.09.29 21:10:00 -
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I've had to edit my post to incorporate my response to Roga Dracor's 20:13 post and found more posts while Editing!
Could this be a legacy from the absorption of the Talocan? |
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
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Posted - 2012.09.29 21:15:00 -
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Borascus wrote: Osobn translates into English from Polish to - Separate ... Not to be too pedantic on something like this, but the deviation of terminology via slang and region usually avoids convergence on another already existent term, the deviation of Osobn from Osoba is not a feasible tangent considering Osobn means separate; which the enclaves emphasize and the distanced and annexed state of Anoikis represents.
That's not too big a leap actually, it seems to occur in Polish and definitely occurs in English. From "Person" to "Individual" to "Separate"... it's a very easy transition of meaning (individuals are separate). If you'll recall "Osoba" translated two ways... "person" or "individual"... "osobn" then as "separate" is not too surprising.
Interesting note: "Cena osobn." means "Price basis" and "jed osobn." means "one by one.", so it seems "separately" or "individual" can be used in phrase to indicate enumeration or grouping of objects. This change in meaning seems to happen at the end of sentences, or maybe phrases... (would be nice to have a native speaker to help us understand this )
"osobno+¢ci" means "alone" or "private"
"or-Ö++e osobny +¢ci" means "weapons of separate quality" (I think my grammar is a little clunky here)
Wow, here's an interesting one: "or-Ö++e osobno+¢-ç" means "weapons of individuality"... that could have some pretty interesting consequences from an infomorphic perspective
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Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.29 21:23:00 -
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Way back when I considered writing an article for AJ on the "Empire Space War" a ficitional topic I was going to hypothesise caused the RADAR and MAGNETOMETRIC sites in Empire Space - with their uniform station debris cloven asteroids and ripped super-structures.
Based on the show info within these sites:
"Debris litters this small pocket of space; torn sheets of hardened metal and twisted cables snake up through larger hulls and structures that all speak a story of violence and deterioration. A salvaging module will be required to sift amongst the garbage and find items of value. "
If the Talocan wanted to strike a blow at the heart of the Sleeper Supremacy, they would follow normal practices: Infiltration, Confidence, Sabotage if their technology was below the required standard for an all out offensive. |
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Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.29 21:26:00 -
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Faulx wrote:Borascus wrote: Osobn translates into English from Polish to - Separate ... Not to be too pedantic on something like this, but the deviation of terminology via slang and region usually avoids convergence on another already existent term, the deviation of Osobn from Osoba is not a feasible tangent considering Osobn means separate; which the enclaves emphasize and the distanced and annexed state of Anoikis represents.
That's not too big a leap actually, it seems to occur in Polish and definitely occurs in English. From "Person" to "Individual" to "Separate"... it's a very easy transition of meaning (individuals are separate). If you'll recall "Osoba" translated two ways... "person" or "individual"... "osobn" then as "separate" is not too surprising. Interesting note: "Cena osobn." means "Price basis" and "jed osobn." means "one by one.", so it seems "separately" or "individual" can be used in phrase to indicate enumeration or grouping of objects. This change in meaning seems to happen at the end of sentences, or maybe phrases... (would be nice to have a native speaker to help us understand this ) "osobno+¢ci" means "alone" or "private" "or-Ö++e osobny +¢ci" means "weapons of separate quality" (I think my grammar is a little clunky here) Wow, here's an interesting one: "or-Ö++e osobno+¢-ç" means "weapons of individuality"... that could have some pretty interesting consequences from an infomorphic perspective
I'd love to know how "o+¢-ç" applies to other factors. This is probably a good time to emphasise that the language used is not "only vowels"
Also: The words or-Ö++e and osobno+¢ci occur in Poezye, who had an author by the name of Aleksander Chodzko with an extremely interesting background in Polish Poetry, Iranology and Slavic Languages. Whilst also being a member of the Royal Asiatic Society and the Societe de Linguistique de Paris. |
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
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Posted - 2012.09.29 21:42:00 -
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From what i can tell the "-+¢-ç" ending is the proper grammatical way to append the "-+¢ci" (meaning "has the quality of") ending to particular words such as "osobn". The usage is similar to the English, "pepper" + '-y' = "peppery" meaning "has the [spicy] quality of pepper". |
Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
48
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Posted - 2012.09.29 22:41:00 -
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Faulx wrote:Wow, here's an interesting one: "or-Ö++e osobno+¢-ç" means "weapons of individuality"... that could have some pretty interesting consequences from an infomorphic perspective From what i can tell the "-+¢-ç" ending is the proper grammatical way to append the "-+¢ci" (meaning "has the quality of") ending to particular words such as "osobn". The usage is similar to the English, "pepper" + '-y' = "peppery" meaning "has the [spicy] quality of pepper". Edit: possibly useful reference (this doesn't seem to cover anything like the osoba case, but does show how +¢-ç and -+¢ci are related) Edit: It looks like either ending is valid and can make for huge differences in meaning: "osobno+¢-ç" is "individuality" or "separateness" (these seem to be grand ideal concepts) "osobno+¢ci" is "alone" or "private" (these seem to be particular states of being)
Closest find to a direct single language interpretation of the two words in sympatico. Kudos! |
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
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Posted - 2012.09.30 02:19:00 -
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Thanks
The phrase "weapons of individuality" makes me wonder. What would such a weapon look like? How would it work?
... It reminds me of Speaks and Walks:
Speaks and Walks wrote:He wonders if he is someone else, entirely. ... and also of 514:
Jamyl Sarum wrote: GÇ£Have you ever felt your life ripped away from you? Your very consciousness sucked into a bottomless pit? Everything you ever thought you were or would be, snuffed out in the smallest fraction of a second?GÇ¥ ... "I am reliably informed that the infantry implant technology has spread throughout the cluster ... "
"...this technology in its current form poses a significant mutual threat to us, and I firmly believe all of us should cease and desist in our efforts to pursue it."
"...the Sleepers do in fact pose a threat, and that threat is far greater than we had presumed."
"Those implants carry the fragmented consciousness of the Sleepers within them,"
"In some of them, the Sleeper presence is so strong that it can overwhelm the implant's host." ... "The Empyreans who today wage war on the Sleepers' outposts to harvest their technology... [are committing genocide]" .... "If [the Sleepers] continue to be attacked in this way, there is no telling what they might do out of self-defense."
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Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.30 10:04:00 -
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Faulx wrote:... It reminds me of Speaks and Walks: Speaks and Walks wrote:He wonders if he is someone else, entirely.
I was like "I Don't get it" when I read that one, it looked like 4 stages of experience from the same soldier as he battled the sleeper consciousness in his original implants, then feeling relieved when the new "sleeperless" implant was present in his clone.
Then I thought he was one of the founding soldiers of Arkombine
Then I thought to myself "I don't get it" |
Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2012.09.30 12:36:00 -
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Arguably, individuality would be the goal of Sleepers trying to escape the virtuality. Something they would sacrifice a major part of in the virtuality, especially if you had dream police constantly monitoring you for "rebellious" thoughts and seditious attitudes. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.30 13:55:00 -
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There were some falsified records used as Pilots licences in one of the Arek'Jaalan assaults.
In that respect, as the Empires harvest the implants with the Sleeper Consciousness fragments, any rebels from the Sleeper Camp would wish to obtain a clone (in the absence of their physical form) and a Fake I.D.
Especially given the rules of the Construct: You can only leave if you have a body to enter.
Also: A moral and philosophical question must have been raised within the Virtuality. What happens if sabotage renders a hosts body inoperable? Safe to say that a Clone Bay would be available, but that would make the Rule of the Construct (above re needing a body) a really moot point.
Otherwise the second question would be:
If the current Virtuality has accelerated over time and allowed for digital emergent offspring within the virtuality, like the combination of genetic traits afforded to the Jovians as they tube-breed. What pre-cursing allowances are afforded to each "Construct Citizen"?
Would it be like the ABeef's?
Quote:It should be noted that unknown to the children, the ABF has a separate, hidden section where certain former inhabitants are kept and used for breeding purposes
With some told they will never again be allowed to enter the physical domain?
Did some of the emergent offspring take avenues of procreation that now renders any physical form impossible?
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Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.30 14:10:00 -
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Its gonna be easy to miss the meaning of Oruze Osobnyk without a common theme to place the terms, as Roga rightly put in the above. It might be a comparative to a poem in Poezye (like a Shakespearean sonnet or small play)
Roga Dracor wrote: In regards to the Integrated Terminus, from the Divine Comedy by Dante; Quote:"Hercules set up his boundary stones that men might heed and never reach beyond".
Arek'Jaalan's Library has the following addendum to the Integrated Terminus Site:
Quote:Destroying the Sleeper Archive Terminal structure present at this site will reveal the following information: "With the terminalGÇÖs destruction, knowledge is scattered, data strewn in thousand of directions. There are no answers here; only debris remains. Secrets have been lost to the void, perhaps containing among them some key to salvation from this bleak existence.
This is one of the few interaction pop-ups post-destruction. At The Mirror the ship needs to fly within range. However the mirror pop-ups are a brick wall, the Sleeper Archive Terminal pop-up screams "work around me", especially when measured against the warp-to message:
Quote:Here you are again: another dead end. This impasse is not a physical one, but an ancient one. Why is there a Sleeper station near these Talocan ruins? Why does it seem like these ancient races, long dead and all but forgotten, are intertwined, like star-crossed lovers in the universal play? Perhaps the answer rests in that terminal. Only one way to find out.
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Roga Dracor
Fury Lords Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2012.10.01 01:36:00 -
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Doing some general fact gathering and came across something that is interesting and may have bearing on deciphering osobnyk.
Looking at the Inverted Talocan Echange Depot and it brought to mind my argument on the Lesser Strain Hive Mother.. In the same general logic pattern the Inverted may relate to Talocan as most sites begin with the racial typifier first.. This sight however, doesn't.. So I surmised the Inverted might be an adjective for the Talocan and not the Depot...
Inversion can relate to symmetry, and as such, becomes Antisymmetric.. Antisymmetric Talocan Exchange Depot..
Antisymmetry can also relate to linguistics, which I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around, but, it may be relevent.. It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
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Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.01 09:27:00 -
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I'm not too sure, It might even be that the Inverted Talocan Exchange Depot is the method of eviction for a group of persons that had harboured anti-construct views prior to arriving at the Sleeper Strongholds.
In a virtuality, the number one offensive weapon would be psychological warfare.
If the Talocan existed alongside the Sleepers in Empire space, watched them leave, felt jaded, followed, formed a consensus that the Construct had to collapse, and then pulled a Trojan Horse. It might explain how they became embroiled in cultural exchange.
The Forgotten Frontier Recursive Depot may have been the 'eavesdrop' that allowed them to have enough similarity to convince their new-found hosts that they shared the views of the Construct.
Wikipedia Definitions of Recursion wrote: A common method of simplification is to divide a problem into subproblems of the same type. As a computer programming technique, this is called divide and conquer and is key to the design of many important algorithms. Divide and conquer serves as a top-down approach to problem solving, where problems are solved by solving smaller and smaller instances. A contrary approach is dynamic programming. This approach serves as a bottom-up approach, where problems are solved by solving larger and larger instances, until the desired size is reached.
With derivatives in the divide and conquer algorithm and also the Euclidean Algorithm and the Tower of Hanoi puzzle can be solved using recursion.
I share your curiousity at the absence of the Gallente in the majority of the timeline. |
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