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AmarrPriceStamp Lazair
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Posted - 2011.08.10 02:42:00 -
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I tried suicide ganking today to see how it goes, only lost 5 mil after insuring a Brutix. That part doesn't bother me, what bother me is... how come the concord came LESS THAN 3 SECONDS and blow up my ship in a 0.5 system whereas most of the internet said that it was 30 seconds and I even tested it with Noobship (timed up to 25 seconds).
What up with that? Is there any ways to figure out the PROPER response time? Have I done anything wrong here?
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Darius III
Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.08.10 02:47:00 -
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Were they already on overview?
What you were doing wrong: Use Arty on every gank ship. Brutix with 720 MM arties works.
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AmarrPriceStamp Lazair
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Posted - 2011.08.10 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Darius III Were they already on overview?
What you were doing wrong: Use Arty on every gank ship. Brutix with 720 MM arties works.
They were not on the overview when I arrive at the scene. I use Rail-guns since Brutix have bonuses for them. Also when concord arrived, the Arty and Hybrid does not matter, because Brutix was instantly jammed. |
Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.08.10 02:55:00 -
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Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 10/08/2011 02:55:51
Originally by: AmarrPriceStamp Lazair
Originally by: Darius III Were they already on overview?
What you were doing wrong: Use Arty on every gank ship. Brutix with 720 MM arties works.
They were not on the overview when I arrive at the scene. I use Rail-guns since Brutix have bonuses for them. Also when concord arrived, the Arty and Hybrid does not matter, because Brutix was instantly jammed.
You will never, ever suicide a Hulk with railguns. Browse any of my Brutix losses on Eve-Kill to see neutron blaster fits that always work, sometimes even in 0.7/0.8 when their tank is crap.
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AmarrPriceStamp Lazair
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Posted - 2011.08.10 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 10/08/2011 02:55:51
Originally by: AmarrPriceStamp Lazair
Originally by: Darius III Were they already on overview?
What you were doing wrong: Use Arty on every gank ship. Brutix with 720 MM arties works.
They were not on the overview when I arrive at the scene. I use Rail-guns since Brutix have bonuses for them. Also when concord arrived, the Arty and Hybrid does not matter, because Brutix was instantly jammed.
You will never, ever suicide a Hulk with railguns. Browse any of my Brutix losses on Eve-Kill to see neutron blaster fits that always work, sometimes even in 0.7/0.8 when their tank is crap.
I tried to suicide gank a Mackinaw, although the problem is, why concord response time isn't CONSIST?
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Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.08.10 03:06:00 -
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If they really did spawn after just a few seconds then they were already in the belt but not on your overview. Their arrival isn't 100% consistent but it's not going to be that fast in 0.5.
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Jenny Aakiwa
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Posted - 2011.08.10 03:09:00 -
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Edited by: Jenny Aakiwa on 10/08/2011 03:09:14 How is that possible?
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AmarrPriceStamp Lazair
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Posted - 2011.08.10 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 10/08/2011 03:07:26 If they really did spawn after just a few seconds then they were already in the belt but not on your overview. Their arrival isn't 100% consistent but it's not going to be that fast in 0.5. I would say 15 seconds at the earliest for a 0.5 isn't beyond reason. I know they've showed up almost immediately after I get off 5 or 6 rapid volleys sometimes. That's not much longer than 15 seconds.
I threw off ONLY 1 volley before I was shot down. You know what, I'll just stay away from the whole stupid suicide ganking stuff, because so far concord is being a general a****le to everyone until CCP decide to wise up and fix Concord response time. |
Taedrin
Gallente Zero Percent Tax Haven
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Posted - 2011.08.10 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum Edited by: Dirk Magnum on 10/08/2011 03:07:26 If they really did spawn after just a few seconds then they were already in the belt but not on your overview. Their arrival isn't 100% consistent but it's not going to be that fast in 0.5. I would say 15 seconds at the earliest for a 0.5 isn't beyond reason. I know they've showed up almost immediately after I get off 5 or 6 rapid volleys sometimes. That's not much longer than 15 seconds.
CONCORD response times are variable. Might it be possible that CONCORD can take a long time to show up in 1.0 systems as well as show up quickly in .5 systems? ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Skinae
Hello Kitty Hug Patrol
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Posted - 2011.08.10 03:26:00 -
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Propogandic anti ganking post.. posssiiiibbbblllllyyyyy? <pr> <pr>
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Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.08.10 03:30:00 -
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What's your fitting / loss mail?
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Xenuria
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.08.10 03:33:00 -
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When I lost my Hulk in vylade it was because concord took more then 1 min 20 seconds to show up.
They are never consistent. "Sweet Jesus, It's an Anti-AT field!"
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AmarrPriceStamp Lazair
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Posted - 2011.08.10 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: Dirk Magnum What's your fitting / loss mail?
Didn't get the loss mail, which is weird. But here the fit for the Rail Brutix:
[Brutix, Gank Fit] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Damage Control I
Partial Weapon Navigation Partial Weapon Navigation Cargo Scanner II Warp Disruptor I
250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 250mm Prototype I Gauss Gun, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Hammerhead I x5
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Meridith Akesia
Stimulus
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Posted - 2011.08.10 04:46:00 -
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lol railguns
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foksieloy
Minmatar Rockets ponies and rainbows
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Posted - 2011.08.10 05:59:00 -
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Concord arrival time is consistent when players do not interfere, but if someone else suicide ganked close to that belt, the response time is much much quicker.
Common method used to be to suicide a frig in the location where you expect someone to do vile things and have an almost instant concord response when that fleet of battleships opens fire on your freighter or whatever. _______________________ The best thing in EvE is Barrage M. |
Aidamina Omen
Elysian Empire
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Posted - 2011.08.10 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Xenuria When I lost my Hulk in vylade it was because concord took more then 1 min 20 seconds to show up.
They are never consistent.
They were on a coffee break.
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Darius III
Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.08.10 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: AmarrPriceStamp Lazair
They were not on the overview when I arrive at the scene. I use Rail-guns since Brutix have bonuses for them. Also when concord arrived, the Arty and Hybrid does not matter, because Brutix was instantly jammed.
You trolling? Doesnt matter? It certainly does matter mate. Concord as you noted-instantly jams you. Figure the damage for 1 volley from arty (best alpha in game) VS Damage from 3 seconds of other weapon types. As a side note-if you ever use torps-make sure you are right on top of your target , as torps will miss if you are jammed.
Otherwise, just use smartbombs. Fit a decent tank, and 2 cap injectors as concord also neuts you 100% I have ganks thousands of ships and arty is IMO best thing going.
PS: If anyone wants to get sutup in game for doing some ganks for ISK-message me or mail me. I have paid out hundreds of billions. What you need: Able to fly any race BS and use 1400MM arty and t2 damage modifiers/sensor boosters. Below is some of my payouts from last public gank session:
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll100/joemoris/moregank.jpg You will have to click pic to enlarge.
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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
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Posted - 2011.08.10 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Darius III
Originally by: AmarrPriceStamp Lazair
They were not on the overview when I arrive at the scene. I use Rail-guns since Brutix have bonuses for them. Also when concord arrived, the Arty and Hybrid does not matter, because Brutix was instantly jammed.
You trolling? Doesnt matter? It certainly does matter mate. Concord as you noted-instantly jams you. Figure the damage for 1 volley from arty (best alpha in game) VS Damage from 3 seconds of other weapon types. As a side note-if you ever use torps-make sure you are right on top of your target , as torps will miss if you are jammed.
Otherwise, just use smartbombs. Fit a decent tank, and 2 cap injectors as concord also neuts you 100% I have ganks thousands of ships and arty is IMO best thing going.
PS: If anyone wants to get sutup in game for doing some ganks for ISK-message me or mail me. I have paid out hundreds of billions. What you need: Able to fly any race BS and use 1400MM arty and t2 damage modifiers/sensor boosters. Below is some of my payouts from last public gank session:
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll100/joemoris/moregank.jpg You will have to click pic to enlarge.
High alpha wins over DPS most of the time, depends on the response time tbh, 3 x 400 hits are obviously gonna be better than 1 x 1000... but it's all swings and roundabouts most of the time...
As for your comment about fitting a better tank, I was under the impression that concord applies damage to kill you in "X seconds", regardless of tank...
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Shadow Ballet
Gallente Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.08.10 15:08:00 -
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Putting a tank on your suicide ship is pointless, when that big shot hits you it's essentially /heal 0 |
Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
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Posted - 2011.08.10 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Soi Mala
Originally by: Darius III
Originally by: AmarrPriceStamp Lazair
They were not on the overview when I arrive at the scene. I use Rail-guns since Brutix have bonuses for them. Also when concord arrived, the Arty and Hybrid does not matter, because Brutix was instantly jammed.
You trolling? Doesnt matter? It certainly does matter mate. Concord as you noted-instantly jams you. Figure the damage for 1 volley from arty (best alpha in game) VS Damage from 3 seconds of other weapon types. As a side note-if you ever use torps-make sure you are right on top of your target , as torps will miss if you are jammed.
Otherwise, just use smartbombs. Fit a decent tank, and 2 cap injectors as concord also neuts you 100% I have ganks thousands of ships and arty is IMO best thing going.
PS: If anyone wants to get sutup in game for doing some ganks for ISK-message me or mail me. I have paid out hundreds of billions. What you need: Able to fly any race BS and use 1400MM arty and t2 damage modifiers/sensor boosters. Below is some of my payouts from last public gank session:
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll100/joemoris/moregank.jpg You will have to click pic to enlarge.
High alpha wins over DPS most of the time, depends on the response time tbh, 3 x 400 hits are obviously gonna be better than 1 x 1000... but it's all swings and roundabouts most of the time...
As for your comment about fitting a better tank, I was under the impression that concord applies damage to kill you in "X seconds", regardless of tank...
I believe you are correct. There was a vid a while back of someone going concord in a titan. It took about as long as usual and there was not a gigantic horde of concord ships -------------------------------------------------
Don't debate with morons. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience. |
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Ferrenc
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Posted - 2011.08.10 18:58:00 -
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going concord in a titan, what does that mean? someone got concorded in a titan? did they cyno into jita?
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foksieloy
Minmatar Rockets ponies and rainbows
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Posted - 2011.08.10 19:30:00 -
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It is an old vid, and it was on SiSi. Not really relevant. _______________________ The best thing in EvE is Barrage M. |
whitekight2
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Posted - 2011.08.10 23:18:00 -
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I did anyone notice or point out how he used best named, gee you must be rich. Well As DIII others said if Concord came that fast someone else spawned them close.
By the way a solo gank in a Battlecruiser isn't always 100%, but that's what makes it fun, when you get good try doing it in a cruiser.
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Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.08.11 03:50:00 -
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Originally by: whitekight2 By the way a solo gank in a Battlecruiser isn't always 100%, but that's what makes it fun, when you get good try doing it in a cruiser.
Confirming if I T2-fit a Thorax I do only 26 less DPS than my cheapo suicide ganking Brutix. Do it to it.
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