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YuuKnow
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Posted - 2011.08.14 17:28:00 -
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Seriously now, the 'please loan me cash' topics are completely drowning this subforum. Even new players asking for help have their post drowned by the 2 pages of 'i need cash' topics per day.
We need a seperate subforums to seperate the two. One should be called for "Business Center" where the isk beggers can post and the other called "Eve Economics" for actual discussion on the Eve economy and markets.
yk
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Xurr
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Posted - 2011.08.14 17:59:00 -
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I like the idea. While at it I'd suggest moving the lotto stuff out of the WTS forums.
Interestingly enough i think this might be the wrong section for discussing the forums.
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Johann King
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.08.14 17:59:00 -
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THERE ARE ACTUALLY MARKET DISCUSSION?
SHOCKING!
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.08.14 18:57:00 -
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 Originally by: YuuKnow
Seriously now, the 'please loan me cash' topics are completely drowning this subforum. Even new players asking for help have their post drowned by the 2 pages of 'i need cash' topics per day.
We need a seperate subforums to seperate the two. One should be called for "Business Center" where the isk beggers can post and the other called "Eve Economics" for actual discussion on the Eve economy and markets.
yk
There is a sticky at the top of the page for new players to ask questions in and people on this forum have historically been less than forgiving of people who don't 'do the research themselves'. I'm not saying that this is a good thing, mind you, but beyond the most basic questions traders tend not to want to help out the competition too much. In addition, the number of economic discussion posts tends to be quite small and probably wouldn't warrant a forum of their own as it would move at a fairly glacial pace. Market Discussions basically became 'Business Discussions' long long ago and I'm not sure a new forum is needed just to save people who aren't interested in publicly funded businesses from having to scan their eyes over three pages of threads rather than one to see if there have been any interesting economic topics in the last week.
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YuuKnow
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Posted - 2011.08.14 19:07:00 -
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IMHO a slowish forum with better topics is better than a spammed forum full of 'meh'
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.08.14 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: RAW23 on 14/08/2011 19:12:59
From a quick look I only count 30 threads in the last 10 days (5 pages) that would fall into a new 'pure' market discussions (not including app threads) and of those, nearly a third are new player questions, two are threads suggesting a new subforum  , a couple are either troll or semi-troll threads, and a few are market manipulation threads - attempting, not discussing. That leaves 10-15 threads of potential interest. Some of these are duplicates (faction ammo), some are fairly trivial (etiquette) and 3 are adverts for trade channels. Some of the remainder are information requests that are answered with one post and ... well, anyway, you get the idea. There aren't really very many of the threads that would make that new forum division worthwhile and the 'genuine' market threads tend not to get that much discussion in any case.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.14 20:11:00 -
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Agreed this is Market Discussions, all the IPOsscams should be in Crime and Punishment.
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Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.08.14 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: YuuKnow
Seriously now, the 'please loan me cash' topics are completely drowning this subforum. Even new players asking for help have their post drowned by the 2 pages of 'i need cash' topics per day.
We need a seperate subforums to seperate the two. One should be called for "Business Center" where the isk beggers can post and the other called "Eve Economics" for actual discussion on the Eve economy and markets.
yk
They're not beggars, they're mostly ISK buyers.
(1) Create fake bond/IPO/invesment opportunity
(2) Receive "investment" from ISK seller
(3) Any idiots investing are just a bonus
(4) Well that's it really. Profit.
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
YuuKnow
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Posted - 2011.08.15 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23
Edited by: RAW23 on 14/08/2011 19:12:59
From a quick look I only count 30 threads in the last 10 days (5 pages) that would fall into a new 'pure' market discussions (not including app threads) and of those, nearly a third are new player questions, two are threads suggesting a new subforum , a couple are either troll or semi-troll threads, and a few are market manipulation threads - attempting, not discussing. That leaves 10-15 threads of potential interest. Some of these are duplicates (faction ammo), some are fairly trivial (etiquette) and 3 are adverts for trade channels. Some of the remainder are information requests that are answered with one post and ... well, anyway, you get the idea. There aren't really very many of the threads that would make that new forum division worthwhile and the 'genuine' market threads tend not to get that much discussion in any case.
Like I said before IMHO a slowish forum with better topics is better than a spammed forum full of 'meh'
yk
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Serene Python
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Posted - 2011.08.15 01:46:00 -
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Originally by: YuuKnow
Originally by: RAW23
Edited by: RAW23 on 14/08/2011 19:12:59
From a quick look I only count 30 threads in the last 10 days (5 pages) that would fall into a new 'pure' market discussions (not including app threads) and of those, nearly a third are new player questions, two are threads suggesting a new subforum , a couple are either troll or semi-troll threads, and a few are market manipulation threads - attempting, not discussing. That leaves 10-15 threads of potential interest. Some of these are duplicates (faction ammo), some are fairly trivial (etiquette) and 3 are adverts for trade channels. Some of the remainder are information requests that are answered with one post and ... well, anyway, you get the idea. There aren't really very many of the threads that would make that new forum division worthwhile and the 'genuine' market threads tend not to get that much discussion in any case.
Like I said before IMHO a slowish forum with better topics is better than a spammed forum full of 'meh'
yk
What makes you think removing the investment threads is going to invigorate better market discussions? The only difference this forum would have with an investments forum is the same "meh" topics as you put it, they quality will in no way go up.
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trance atlas
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Posted - 2011.08.15 01:48:00 -
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Originally by: Serene Python
Originally by: YuuKnow
Originally by: RAW23
Edited by: RAW23 on 14/08/2011 19:12:59
From a quick look I only count 30 threads in the last 10 days (5 pages) that would fall into a new 'pure' market discussions (not including app threads) and of those, nearly a third are new player questions, two are threads suggesting a new subforum , a couple are either troll or semi-troll threads, and a few are market manipulation threads - attempting, not discussing. That leaves 10-15 threads of potential interest. Some of these are duplicates (faction ammo), some are fairly trivial (etiquette) and 3 are adverts for trade channels. Some of the remainder are information requests that are answered with one post and ... well, anyway, you get the idea. There aren't really very many of the threads that would make that new forum division worthwhile and the 'genuine' market threads tend not to get that much discussion in any case.
Like I said before IMHO a slowish forum with better topics is better than a spammed forum full of 'meh'
yk
What makes you think removing the investment threads is going to invigorate better market discussions? The only difference this forum would have with an investments forum is the same "meh" topics as you put it, they quality will in no way go up.
Even more meh trolls from me since I got dexed4u
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Dextrust
Nomen Hoc Latinum
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Posted - 2011.08.15 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: trance atlas
dexed4u
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
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Posted - 2011.08.15 02:07:00 -
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Discussions on EVE economics is, by its nature. not something that takes place at quick pace nor with a huge volume of posts (except for certain verbal diarea posters)...
There are plenty of threads posted over the past weeks that I'd love to get an update on and post in, yet the effort of finding them amongst all the crap that pushed them to page 10 or 20 isn't worth the effort.
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YuuKnow
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Posted - 2011.08.15 02:52:00 -
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Originally by: Serene Python
What makes you think removing the investment threads is going to invigorate better market discussions? The only difference this forum would have with an investments forum is the same "meh" topics as you put it, they quality will in no way go up.
Because anything is a step-up from the spammernaught piece of sh$t forum MD is right now.
yk
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Soldarius
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.08.15 05:28:00 -
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I'm not one to cry. Even when I go on a rant, I usually let it go after one wall o' text. But in this case I think OP is right.
I come here not to read "junk mail" spam from beggars, but for market discussion. Time is money. I don't want to have to read through pages of destitute street urchins begging for more iskies just to find something relevant to Market Discussion.
Subforums for IPOs, etc would be appropriate.
Originally by: Krutoj
You dont have a supercapital? buy PLEX trade it for ISK, buy supers. Just like any other mmo you can use your RL to pimp your character out (or tank for that matter).
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.08.15 05:44:00 -
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Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab
Discussions on EVE economics is, by its nature. not something that takes place at quick pace nor with a huge volume of posts (except for certain verbal diarea posters)...
There are plenty of threads posted over the past weeks that I'd love to get an update on and post in, yet the effort of finding them amongst all the crap that pushed them to page 10 or 20 isn't worth the effort.
Your committment to these fascinating topics is overwhelming!
There are four weeks worth of topics on the first ten pages. Those on eve economics are very few and far between and, whilst you and a few others may have them as your primary interest, the number of posts made in these threads suggest that the majority of MD readers do not (or that the majority of the economics threads are either poorly informed or the nth repetition of discussions that have been had many times before). The grounds of very minor additional convenience for a small number of MD readers just seems like a very poor reason for creating a new forum, especially given that most of the other readers of MD probably want to keep the economics threads in the same place as the other threads they read (an assumption based on the fact that no one ever suggests dividing the forum on the basis that the economics threads have no role here).
The idea of a new forum is proposed more or less every month or so and never gathers more than a handful of supporters. Let it die.
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