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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.15 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ladie Scarlet
Originally by: Windjammer Thus speaks the sheep who follows his leaders/masters and glories in being part of the mass where he only has to follow orders, not where he has to worry about a moments independent thought.
Your post. It makes no sense.
Also, if you can't see how fantastic these changes would be then you are really feeble-minded.
It isnÆt surprising that my post doesnÆt make sense to you, considering the group youÆre associated with. Your response is a proof of my posts point.
I honestly donÆt have the patience or inclination to explain it to you.
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LittleTerror
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:03:00 -
[92]
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:03:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Iron Breaker
If they do this CCP will likely lose half of their suscribers; the half who are not interested in PvP. All of the stuff that was discussed seemes to involve getting peole out into low & null sec. I, and a lot of other people are not interested in PvP, which seems to be something CCP cannot understand. Trying to force us to do something we do not want to do, and expecting us to pay $15 for it, seems like a poor business model.
I will never understand folks like you mate. Why would you play a game that the developers state from the get go is a pvp game is you dont like pvp?
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:05:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Skunk Gracklaw Edited by: Skunk Gracklaw on 15/08/2011 16:57:46
Originally by: Fademist and u think this changes will lure ppl to 0.0? think again and then u will realize that many ppl dont want to be puppet for any alli or a corp to go where they dont want to go...
So don't be part of a corporation or alliance that treats you like a puppet. I would never be part of an alliance that had ridiculous things like mandatory CTAs or dictated how and when I play Eve. If you are in a situation like that then leave and find something better. It cracks me up to see people who've belonged to some crappy nullsec alliance who then ignorantly thing they are all the same.
This from the worst of the lot. Dude, that is some really fine irony delivered with a straight face.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:08:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Jenn aSide
Originally by: Iron Breaker
If they do this CCP will likely lose half of their suscribers; the half who are not interested in PvP. All of the stuff that was discussed seemes to involve getting peole out into low & null sec. I, and a lot of other people are not interested in PvP, which seems to be something CCP cannot understand. Trying to force us to do something we do not want to do, and expecting us to pay $15 for it, seems like a poor business model.
I will never understand folks like you mate. Why would you play a game that the developers state from the get go is a pvp game is you dont like pvp?
I thought it was a sandbox. The reason non-pvp people play is because there are lots of non-pvp things to do in this alleged pvp game.
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Daenerys Fire Targaryen
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:10:00 -
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This is not a good way to solve problems. First of all i must say that all of that does make sense actually and i too am against farmer and whatnot.
BUT not everyone has time to farm missions, not everyone runs site after site with friends, not everyone use bots to mine ice.
I personally have very few time to play, and i run 1 mission or 2 in a week to sustain my pvp activities, lowering the income in high sec will only damage people like me who don't have much time to play, people with a lot of time, a lot of toons and maybe with even bots will not be affected, that's for sure.
So, congratulation for screwing casual players even more (soonÖ of course).
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Harener
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:11:00 -
[97]
Edited by: Harener on 15/08/2011 17:11:49
Originally by: Mirime Nolwe
Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
Originally by: Mirime Nolwe Low sec and 0.0 aren't big enough, if all highsec dwellers move to those regions the game will implode. Lowsec should be like it is at the moment population wise, can all of you guys that approve this kind of changes stop for a minute to think?
Ever been to lowsec? I can count on one hand the number of systems that will have more than 10 in local on the average day.
No.
Ever been to highsec? I can count on one hand the number of systems that will have less then 10 in local on the average day.
See? work both ways, now move 50% of those highsec to lowsec and think for 30secs how can anyone will play in those few lowsec systems with 20 people in it.
This game was a sandbox, not anymore.
Uh, it still is a sandbox. The high-sec carebear tears are great.
Originally by: Daenerys Fire Targaryen This is not a good way to solve problems. First of all i must say that all of that does make sense actually and i too am against farmer and whatnot.
BUT not everyone has time to farm missions, not everyone runs site after site with friends, not everyone use bots to mine ice.
I personally have very few time to play, and i run 1 mission or 2 in a week to sustain my pvp activities, lowering the income in high sec will only damage people like me who don't have much time to play, people with a lot of time, a lot of toons and maybe with even bots will not be affected, that's for sure.
So, congratulation for screwing casual players even more (soonÖ of course).
You mean like how they nerfed anomalies? Cry more.
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Killer Gandry
Caldari Shadow of the Pain
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:15:00 -
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I wonder which l33t PvPer will go mine in null sec then.
JGJHGLJ or maybe UIHKJH and his buddy VKJHGLB.
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Digital Messiah
Gallente Oregami Ultd
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:15:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Miss Rabblt risk vs reward
I agree with this. But as it stands there are more alliances and corporations who will exploit this and players alike. 100% corp tax wars, no selling to jita "give us a discount", and my favorite "fleet up and lose everything or get out, oh and your going to be flying one of the first ships to get primed". This will definitely bring what you would consider as end game to more players. But it will also lead to a lot more new player scamming and rage quitting.
Quote: "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn"
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Dasatei
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:15:00 -
[100]
Yay 0.0 is gonna have MORE bots now -.-
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Harener
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:16:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Dasatei Yay 0.0 is gonna have MORE bots now -.-
LOL, most bots are in high-sec since it's 100% safe there, more excuses please.
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Killer Gandry
Caldari Shadow of the Pain
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:17:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Harener LOL, most bots are in high-sec since it's 100% safe there, more excuses please.
Prove it.
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Miranda Nebail
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:18:00 -
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High sec dwellers will adapt anyway.
My opinion is that 0.0 should be many times over more profitable than empire, as there is risk in 0.0, and no risk at all in empire. As it stands now, you maybe make a little more ISK in 0.0, than in empire. All the risks, little rewards. And moon goo should be be cyclical, meaning moons should give Tech one day, crap the next one. Totally random.
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Harener
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:19:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Killer Gandry
Originally by: Harener LOL, most bots are in high-sec since it's 100% safe there, more excuses please.
Prove it.
You prove most are in nullsec, how hypocritical.
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Skunk Gracklaw
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:20:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Windjammer
Originally by: Skunk Gracklaw Edited by: Skunk Gracklaw on 15/08/2011 16:57:46
Originally by: Fademist and u think this changes will lure ppl to 0.0? think again and then u will realize that many ppl dont want to be puppet for any alli or a corp to go where they dont want to go...
So don't be part of a corporation or alliance that treats you like a puppet. I would never be part of an alliance that had ridiculous things like mandatory CTAs or dictated how and when I play Eve. If you are in a situation like that then leave and find something better. It cracks me up to see people who've belonged to some crappy nullsec alliance who then ignorantly thing they are all the same.
This from the worst of the lot. Dude, that is some really fine irony delivered with a straight face.
Are you saying that Goonswarm does have mandatory CTAs? Are you saying that The Mittani dictates how I play Eve? I think you're mad about goons (for whatever petty reason) and grasping at straws when you really don't know what you're talking about. A quick glance at your post history confirms this.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:21:00 -
[106]
Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: Jenn aSide
Originally by: Iron Breaker
If they do this CCP will likely lose half of their suscribers; the half who are not interested in PvP. All of the stuff that was discussed seemes to involve getting peole out into low & null sec. I, and a lot of other people are not interested in PvP, which seems to be something CCP cannot understand. Trying to force us to do something we do not want to do, and expecting us to pay $15 for it, seems like a poor business model.
I will never understand folks like you mate. Why would you play a game that the developers state from the get go is a pvp game is you dont like pvp?
I thought it was a sandbox. The reason non-pvp people play is because there are lots of non-pvp things to do in this alleged pvp game.
I understand all of that, but the people who make the game say "this is a pvp game" and all of the time ive been playing I've seen them trying more ways to get people into player corps, pvp and low/null sec.
All these folks who play this pvp game but don't like pvp, well that would be like me playing hello kitti online then complaining abut how their isn't enough killing lol.
Eve isn't the 1st game i've seen this kind of thing in. When I played a game called Mechwarrior there were lots of people who thought the very idea of giant robots with guns were stupid.....while playing a game about giant robots with guns........
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FuzzyLogik360
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Thornat Most of these thing re-enforce the basic concept on which CCP was founded. Its a game for the bold. Hiding in a hanger in high sec is where we all start, its not where the game ends. Unfortunatly for so many out there the fear of risking something... anything at all, is overwhelming and what they are doing here is trying to discourage that kind of thinking.
Why is risk aversion so bad? In fact, CCP need people to stay out of nullsec.
Consider this: all carebears move to nullsec as requested. All carebears die in seconds. Carebears buy more ships, carebears die again. Within a week carebears are broke. Carebears quit EVE.
I enjoy this game, but as a CASUAL PLAYER and so I stay in empire. I don't earn enough money to hold my own in nullsec, and so by definition I can't benefit from the profits to be made in nullsec. It's catch-22 for me.
To argue that EVE is meant ONLY for the hardcore is naive, particularly from a buisness point of view (i.e. subscriptions for CCP).
No single player or group owns this game, it is for everyone. Therefore nerfing highsec is regressive, not progressive.
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Killer Gandry
Caldari Shadow of the Pain
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:28:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Harener
Originally by: Killer Gandry
Originally by: Harener LOL, most bots are in high-sec since it's 100% safe there, more excuses please.
Prove it.
You prove most are in nullsec, how hypocritical.
I didn't come with a claim most are in null sec. So I dont have to prove anything. You state most are in high sec, so I just say, Prove it.
But you are just one of those who want to sound important because they can throw stuff around without any prove and then poke their wannebe girlfriend how cool they are they can post stuff like that anonymous on the internet in a space MMO forum.
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Guttripper
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:30:00 -
[109]
Actually, a better presentation would have been CCP offering how they see all four security regions instead of just concentrating on null sec. Then a good comparison and contrast would be debatable.
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:32:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Orlacc Where does it say anything about moving level 4 missions?
Nowhere. In fact, pretty much none of what the OP says is in the blog. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
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Jason1138
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:36:00 -
[111]
lol @ making a 5 year plan for mining when we're 2 years after the start of T3's and never got the 5th sub systems, much less T3 frigs or BS's, and in fact have been told the next T3 item will be in 2013 sometime
this is either more like a 10 year plan or its something they're about to ram down your throat in the next 6 months
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Takashi Kaeda
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:36:00 -
[112]
Finally.
Time to leave Elwynn Forest, pubbies.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:41:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Miss Rabblt risk vs reward
This x9000+
I'm in Empire. I make a fortune. I am bored as hell.
I smell cowardice and weakness. It's the smell of Empire space.
When the ISK moves to null, the players will follow... and I think the shxt is gonna hit the fan. I can't wait. It may take a while for this to happen though... so no rush... but I'm already shopping around for a good corp...
If this smack in the nullsec blog actually goes down I mean...
It could be like Incarna and take 8 years... His name was John Turbefield!
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:45:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Cipher Jones on 15/08/2011 17:46:43
Originally by: Gogela
Originally by: Miss Rabblt risk vs reward
This x9000+
I'm in Empire. I make a fortune. I am bored as hell.
I smell cowardice and weakness. It's the smell of Empire space.
When the ISK moves to null, the players will follow... and I think the shxt is gonna hit the fan. I can't wait. It may take a while for this to happen though... so no rush... but I'm already shopping around for a good corp...
If this smack in the nullsec blog actually goes down I mean...
It could be like Incarna and take 8 years...
Because ice mining contributes to this. It is SO lucrative.
Oh wait, ice mining contributes **** all to it. Its the dead hulks and Mackinaws CCP wants. They have point blank come out and said more than once. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Stormhammer Investments
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:49:00 -
[115]
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the items listed but really, you guys should log in during a busy period and look at the map. Sort it by pilots/activitity and you will see the majority of them are actually in highsec.
The facts speak for themselves. Most of Eve's active characters are in highsec. Why would CCP risk losing even more accounts? It doesn't make business sense.
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Harener
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:52:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Stormhammer Investments Edited by: Stormhammer Investments on 15/08/2011 17:50:39 I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the items listed but really, you guys should log in during a busy period and look at the map. Sort it by pilots/activitity and you will see the majority of them are actually in highsec.
The facts speak for themselves. Most of Eve's active characters are in highsec. Why would CCP risk losing even more accounts? It doesn't make business sense.
What would have been better is if the empires were like islands and had no direct highsec links. Perhaps surrounded by lowsec and nullsec regions that people had to cross if they wanted the good stuff in other regions.
They are in high sec...because it doesn't make sense to go to null isk-wise?
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Stormhammer Investments
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:54:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Harener
Originally by: Stormhammer Investments Edited by: Stormhammer Investments on 15/08/2011 17:50:39 I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the items listed but really, you guys should log in during a busy period and look at the map. Sort it by pilots/activitity and you will see the majority of them are actually in highsec.
The facts speak for themselves. Most of Eve's active characters are in highsec. Why would CCP risk losing even more accounts? It doesn't make business sense.
What would have been better is if the empires were like islands and had no direct highsec links. Perhaps surrounded by lowsec and nullsec regions that people had to cross if they wanted the good stuff in other regions.
They are in high sec...because it doesn't make sense to go to null isk-wise?
Well you can make a lot of ISK in null as well. Mining as an example is much more lucrative. You can make more ISK in other ways too. It's a high risk strategy and if they are going to do this in the near future I hope it doesn't drive away substantial numbers of people.
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Sassums
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:57:00 -
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This is a bunch of BS.
Mining in Wormhole space is significantly more dangerous than Null Sec.
Mining in wormhole space people can sneak up on you, D-Scan you down, probe you in less than 10 seconds, and be on top of you all before you can warp out or even before you know what's going on.
In Null Sec I can see the attack from a mile away not to mention the miners are all protected behind numerous gate camps.
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.15 17:57:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Orlacc Where does it say anything about moving level 4 missions?
Nowhere. In fact, pretty much none of what the OP says is in the blog.
YouÆre right. In keeping with the official CCP policy of hinting at things without actually saying anything much. As you know, you have to interpret what they say and what they donÆt say and the direction in which they seem to be headed. Try adding the two following items together. The quote from the blog
ôòBest agents ◦For further discussion. The best agents in the game should all be in nullsec, in keeping with the "richest area in the game" theme. There should be a clear margin of value for nullsec agents that acts as an enticement for mission runners to move there.ö
And
Constant whines to move L4Æs to null sec.
Even low quality L4 mission agents give out profitable missions. DoesnÆt that sound like the best agents are going to be all the L4 agents and moved to null sec?
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Wookie 1
Caldari Nex Exercitus Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.08.15 18:02:00 -
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I actually think this raises the interesting question of whether there will soon be too little ISK making a potential problem economically. After all much of the ISK is now concentrated in fewer hands than previous times.
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