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Slavemaster
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Posted - 2011.08.18 12:09:00 -
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... If you have been here in the Marked forum for a while you know its statistical impossible to make any ISK on investments. The ratio with 3-5% have to be 20/1(scam) to end op with a surplus.
I have done some investments, and that I have made isk here is just pure luck... In short I would not recommend anyone to invest here before that scamming ratio goes down... |
flakeys
The Great cornholio's Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2011.08.18 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Slavemaster ... If you have been here in the Marked forum for a while you know its statistical impossible to make any ISK on investments. The ratio with 3-5% have to be 20/1(scam) to end op with a surplus.
I have done some investments, and that I have made isk here is just pure luck... In short I would not recommend anyone to invest here before that scamming ratio goes down...
My wallet with 50+ B it made with investments over the last 2 years disagrees with you.But what does my wallet know. |
Slavemaster
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Posted - 2011.08.18 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: flakeys
Originally by: Slavemaster ... If you have been here in the Marked forum for a while you know its statistical impossible to make any ISK on investments. The ratio with 3-5% have to be 20/1(scam) to end op with a surplus.
I have done some investments, and that I have made isk here is just pure luck... In short I would not recommend anyone to invest here before that scamming ratio goes down...
My wallet with 50+ B it made with investments over the last 2 years disagrees with you.But what does my wallet know.
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flakeys
The Great cornholio's Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2011.08.18 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: flakeys on 18/08/2011 12:35:47
Originally by: Slavemaster
Originally by: flakeys
Originally by: Slavemaster ... If you have been here in the Marked forum for a while you know its statistical impossible to make any ISK on investments. The ratio with 3-5% have to be 20/1(scam) to end op with a surplus.
I have done some investments, and that I have made isk here is just pure luck... In short I would not recommend anyone to invest here before that scamming ratio goes down...
My wallet with 50+ B it made with investments over the last 2 years disagrees with you.But what does my wallet know.
good for you
We sure got a deep discussion going on over here.I feel like talking to my wife .
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Slavemaster
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Posted - 2011.08.18 12:37:00 -
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Wait a sec Hon, I`ll have to drink my beer first
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flakeys
The Great cornholio's Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2011.08.18 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Slavemaster Wait a sec Hon, I`ll have to drink my beer first
Mmm , now you REALLY sound like my wife.You got a big butt too ?
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Slavemaster
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Posted - 2011.08.18 12:42:00 -
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... Ok my little cheeseburger, I am ready.
What is there to discuss? That you was one of the few that did get a + on you inveestment? No
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Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
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Posted - 2011.08.18 13:03:00 -
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You two, get a room! -----------------------------------
More stuff goes here. |
Paul L Atreides
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Posted - 2011.08.18 13:07:00 -
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Originally by: Joe SMASH You two, get a room!
i think you just entered without knocking
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flakeys
The Great cornholio's Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2011.08.18 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Slavemaster ... Ok my little cheeseburger, I am ready.
What is there to discuss? That you was one of the few that did get a + on you inveestment? No
Your statement is false , ask raw23 for the details , he made a sheet with all investments over X amount of time and the amount of them being scams , it showed your point is wrong.So i can do a long discussion with you purely based on your idea of the amount of offers scammed or go with the guy who made the sheet.
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Golkan
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Posted - 2011.08.18 13:13:00 -
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And that's exactly why you must not accept 3-5% return on uncollateralized bonds... and why most of them go for around 8-10% return. Raw stated a while ago that scams were under 10% I don't remember the exact number.
Also most scammers don't run off right after recieving your isk so you usuly recieve at least a few monthly payments making it more than 8-10% return.
If you want to take a probabilistic approach to make a point please at least modelize your scenerio properly.
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Vim Toe
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Posted - 2011.08.18 13:17:00 -
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Don't waste your time flakey, he obviously out to troll anybody that disagrees with him. OCP Investment Bank. Offering 4% compounded interest payed 1st of every month. Deposits should be made to me with accompanying mail stating deposit. |
flakeys
The Great cornholio's Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2011.08.18 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Paul L Atreides
Originally by: Joe SMASH You two, get a room!
i think you just entered without knocking
Not like there's anything to see or interrupt , as i stated it's like 'my wife' as such there should be two seperate beds in the room you just entered.
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Slavemaster
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Posted - 2011.08.18 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: flakeys
Originally by: Slavemaster ... Ok my little cheeseburger, I am ready.
What is there to discuss? That you was one of the few that did get a + on you inveestment? No
Your statement is false , ask raw23 for the details , he made a sheet with all investments over X amount of time and the amount of them being scams , it showed your point is wrong.So i can do a long discussion with you purely based on your idea of the amount of offers scammed or go with the guy who made the sheet.
Now we may have a discussion, but What I am saying, the premise for this discussion is that its statistical impossible to make isk on investments, what you have done or the or one of the marked legends here have done has no merit.. Its hard to discuss with you. I say what color is the door, you say.. I like the door
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Chevalleis
The Legendary Conquest
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Posted - 2011.08.18 13:21:00 -
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This thread already has the 'trolls' mark on it, why hurt it any more?
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flakeys
The Great cornholio's Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2011.08.18 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: flakeys on 18/08/2011 13:27:24
Originally by: Slavemaster
Originally by: flakeys
Originally by: Slavemaster ... Ok my little cheeseburger, I am ready.
What is there to discuss? That you was one of the few that did get a + on you inveestment? No
Your statement is false , ask raw23 for the details , he made a sheet with all investments over X amount of time and the amount of them being scams , it showed your point is wrong.So i can do a long discussion with you purely based on your idea of the amount of offers scammed or go with the guy who made the sheet.
Now we may have a discussion, but What I am saying, the premise for this discussion is that its statistical impossible to make isk on investments, what you have done or the or one of the marked legends here have done has no merit.. Its hard to discuss with you. I say what color is the door, you say.. I like the door
Again you are taking your assumptions as fact while it has been researched by someone with a little more spine and proven that your assumption is not based on the fact.What is there to discuss?
We are talking investments here , how many offers are a scam is hard to know and impossible to prove.
Originally by: Chevalleis This thread already has the 'trolls' mark on it, why hurt it any more?
Bored at work , gotta stay till 18.30 local time but really NOTHING to do....
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.08.18 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Slavemaster ... If you have been here in the Marked forum for a while you know its statistical impossible to make any ISK on investments. The ratio with 3-5% have to be 20/1(scam) to end op with a surplus.
I have done some investments, and that I have made isk here is just pure luck... In short I would not recommend anyone to invest here before that scamming ratio goes down...
This is not the case at all. Have you actually studied the rate of scams? I suspect the answer is no.
When you say that the ratio on 5% investments will have to be 20/1 legit/scam you miss out an absolutely fundamental point: it is not a ratio of 20 successful investments per scam but 20 months of payments from legit offerings per scam. Two legitimate offerings running for a year will more than cancel out a scam.
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flakeys
The Great cornholio's Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2011.08.18 13:29:00 -
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Finally raw your here ... now i can just sit back and let you amuse yourselves.
/me heads back to the ****sites
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Slavemaster
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Posted - 2011.08.18 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Golkan And that's exactly why you must not accept 3-5% return on uncollateralized bonds... and why most of them go for around 8-10% return. Raw stated a while ago that scams were under 10% I don't remember the exact number.
Also most scammers don't run off right after recieving your isk so you usuly recieve at least a few monthly payments making it more than 8-10% return.
If you want to take a probabilistic approach to make a point please at least modelize your scenerio properly.
From what I have seen the 3-5% is in the majority. My premise is that statistics is is impossible to make isk on those numbers. You dont have to argue, just to argue. Investments over 3-5% is another discussion.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.08.18 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: flakeys Finally raw your here ... now i can just sit back and let you amuse yourselves.
/me heads back to the ****sites
I came as fast as I could. A fast rider was sent to bring me back from the library with tales of crap statistics and inaccurate anecdotal evidence.
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flakeys
The Great cornholio's Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2011.08.18 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Slavemaster You dont have to argue, just to argue.
HAHAHahahaaah haaaaha hahah .... awww man priceless irony there.
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Slavemaster
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Posted - 2011.08.18 13:37:00 -
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Edited by: Slavemaster on 18/08/2011 13:38:20 Edited by: Slavemaster on 18/08/2011 13:37:31
Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: Slavemaster ... If you have been here in the Marked forum for a while you know its statistical impossible to make any ISK on investments. The ratio with 3-5% have to be 20/1(scam) to end op with a surplus.
I have done some investments, and that I have made isk here is just pure luck... In short I would not recommend anyone to invest here before that scamming ratio goes down...
This is not the case at all. Have you actually studied the rate of scams? I suspect the answer is no.
When you say that the ratio on 5% investments will have to be 20/1 legit/scam you miss out an absolutely fundamental point: it is not a ratio of 20 successful investments per scam but 20 months of payments from legit offerings per scam. Two legitimate offerings running for a year will more than cancel out a scam.
No I have not studied them, but the 3-5% bonds hardly last more than 3 months on average. So, what is the scam rate of you know it? Not trying to be an ass with that question. But, my hypothesis stand: X Number of investment + X Number of scams = Loss. To put it another way: All investments in 1 year - The Scams = Loss. In short there is statistical impossibility to make isk here.
What trooper x, or trooper x have done, its not the premise
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Slavemaster
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Posted - 2011.08.18 13:47:00 -
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Edited by: Slavemaster on 18/08/2011 13:48:41 Edited by: Slavemaster on 18/08/2011 13:47:55
Originally by: flakeys
Originally by: Slavemaster You dont have to argue, just to argue.
HAHAHahahaaah haaaaha hahah .... awww man priceless irony there.
Here
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Vim Toe
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Posted - 2011.08.18 13:48:00 -
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FAIL
That is not a hypothesis, that is you typing **** Move along troll OCP Investment Bank. Offering 4% compounded interest payed 1st of every month. Deposits should be made to me with accompanying mail stating deposit. |
RAW23
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Posted - 2011.08.18 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: RAW23 on 18/08/2011 13:51:22
Originally by: Slavemaster Edited by: Slavemaster on 18/08/2011 13:39:14
Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: Slavemaster ... If you have been here in the Marked forum for a while you know its statistical impossible to make any ISK on investments. The ratio with 3-5% have to be 20/1(scam) to end op with a surplus.
I have done some investments, and that I have made isk here is just pure luck... In short I would not recommend anyone to invest here before that scamming ratio goes down...
This is not the case at all. Have you actually studied the rate of scams? I suspect the answer is no.
When you say that the ratio on 5% investments will have to be 20/1 legit/scam you miss out an absolutely fundamental point: it is not a ratio of 20 successful investments per scam but 20 months of payments from legit offerings per scam. Two legitimate offerings running for a year will more than cancel out a scam.
No I have not studied them, but the 3-5% bonds hardly last more than 3 months on average. So, what is the scam rate of you know it? Not trying to be an ass with that question. But, my hypothesis stand: X Number of investment + X Number of scams = Loss. To put it another way: All investments in 1 year - The Scams = Loss. In short there is statistical impossibility to make isk here.
What trooper x, or trooper x have done, is not the premise
Total losses versus total interest paid does, indeed, give a loss. This in no way means that it is impossible to make isk, however, since almost all of the losses come from a handful of big scams. Set a basic rule that you won't invest in anything over 50bil and you lose a handful of opportunities to make interest but also lose virtually all the losses the investment market as a whole accrues. Please stop talking about statistical impossibilities when no such thing applies.
Another way you can make isk without even discriminating amongst the offerings is to invest the same amount in everything (say 1 bil per offering). If you do this the losses that you suffer from a scam the size of T4U will be the same as the losses in a 3bil bond and you again avoid the statistical issue that would arise from scaling all nvestments to the size of the offering. On the basis of a c. 90 offering sample investing the same amount in everything actually earned a small profit without taking any steps at all to distinguish between the offerings. The reason for this is that the scam rate is c. 9% and the average offering runs for more than 2 months. So, the scam rate already gives you a 10/1 legit to scam ratio and the offering length more than doubles that. Voila, you have your 20 months of payout per scam.
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Slavemaster
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Posted - 2011.08.18 13:56:00 -
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Edited by: Slavemaster on 18/08/2011 13:58:03
Man, wow its hard to stay on topic is it not?
Total losses versus total interest paid does, indeed, give a loss..... My point. The Rest Babble on another thing that have nothing to do with the premise for the discussion.
This reminds me of discussions that start with one thing, then it drifts to next topic, next topic... Its hard to isolate the discussion. Yeah, I get it, its hard to stay on topic...
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.08.18 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Slavemaster Edited by: Slavemaster on 18/08/2011 13:56:01 Man, wow its hard to stay on topic is it not?
Total losses versus total interest paid does, indeed, give a loss..... My point. The Rest Babble on another thing that have nothing to do with the premise for the discussion.
Nope. That was not your point. Your point was that it is statistically impossible to make isk by investing. Indicating that the total market involving all investors and all offerings leads to a loss IN NO WAY supports your claim.
lrn2reason.
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flakeys
The Great cornholio's Paper Tiger Coalition
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Posted - 2011.08.18 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: Slavemaster Edited by: Slavemaster on 18/08/2011 13:56:01 Man, wow its hard to stay on topic is it not?
Total losses versus total interest paid does, indeed, give a loss..... My point. The Rest Babble on another thing that have nothing to do with the premise for the discussion.
Nope. That was not your point. Your point was that it is statistically impossible to make isk by investing. Indicating that the total market involving all investors and all offerings leads to a loss IN NO WAY supports your claim.
lrn2reason.
Give up raw we're talking to this fellow if you had not noticed
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.08.18 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: flakeys
Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: Slavemaster Edited by: Slavemaster on 18/08/2011 13:56:01 Man, wow its hard to stay on topic is it not?
Total losses versus total interest paid does, indeed, give a loss..... My point. The Rest Babble on another thing that have nothing to do with the premise for the discussion.
Nope. That was not your point. Your point was that it is statistically impossible to make isk by investing. Indicating that the total market involving all investors and all offerings leads to a loss IN NO WAY supports your claim.
lrn2reason.
Give up raw we're talking to this fellow if you had not noticed
Heh.
I know he's a troll but when trolls repeat groundless things it is worth showing that they are groundless lest they slip, as they often do, into being common conceptions purely on the basis of frequent repetition. But I'll retire back to the library now as it seems there is nothing more to be said here.
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Slavemaster
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Posted - 2011.08.18 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: RAW23
Originally by: Slavemaster Edited by: Slavemaster on 18/08/2011 13:56:01 Man, wow its hard to stay on topic is it not?
Total losses versus total interest paid does, indeed, give a loss..... My point. The Rest Babble on another thing that have nothing to do with the premise for the discussion.
Nope. That was not your point. Your point was that it is statistically impossible to make isk by investing. Indicating that the total market involving all investors and all offerings leads to a loss IN NO WAY supports your claim.
lrn2reason.
Statistics is the study of the collection, organization, and interpretation of data.[1][2] It deals with all aspects of this, including the planning of data collection in terms of the design of surveys and experiments.[1]
- Its good you have your poesy here... When you refer to 1 person, or yourself you don't get what I am talking about... And even more funny we agree. You just had to show of your feathers to your posy :D
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