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Dradius Calvantia
BRABODEN
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Posted - 2011.08.25 20:14:00 -
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I have recently seen this term being used quite liberally to describe anyone participating in non combat activities and I think it is about time that the definition is clarified.
A "Carebear" is not a player who grinds lvl 4 missions, mines all day, spends hours killing sleepers, plays .1 isk games in jita, runs indy POSes all over 0.0, or farms 0.0 plexes and belts. Doing these things in and of them selves does not make one a "Carebear." After all, someone has to perform these activities in order for the game to function, and we all fit into the economy of EVE somehow.
A "Carebear" is a player who refuses to acknowledge that in doing these things, he is competing for resources and having an effect on everyone else in game. He demands the right to influence the market and power blocks of EVE as much as he wants while rejecting the idea of anyone being able to interfere with him in anyway.
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.08.25 20:23:00 -
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Ok.. well there are a few things that need to be clarified here. Carebear is both an adjetive and a verb.
You can be a hardcore PVP'er that kills dozens of people everyday, solo, on your rifter, in 0.0. But once you start to kill rats, sell things on the market or mine, you're doing "Carebear ActivitiesÖ" or "CarebearingÖ". That does not means, though, that you are a carebear.
A carebear, as adjetive, is a person who does ONLY carebear activities and refuses any sort of direct PVP. Be it for fear or for moral option. ____________
Originally by: CCP Guard Nobody gets to ruin EVE but us!
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Rinia Altir
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Posted - 2011.08.25 20:26:00 -
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I find that it's generally the term a griefer uses when they are mad/sad that said "carebear" isn't entering low/0 sec systems to get griefed by said griefer.
Or even just avoiding the greifer within low/0 sec systems by various means.
Griefer tears are really the best tasting.
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T'Laar Bok
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Posted - 2011.08.25 20:31:00 -
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Everyone is a carebear unless they've done PVP in RL. Pew pew on the internet doesn't count, it just make you look like a wannabe and a pen1shead.
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.08.25 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: T'Laar Bok Everyone is a carebear unless they've done PVP in RL. Pew pew on the internet doesn't count, it just make you look like a wannabe and a pen1shead.
Me and my lady PVP all the time. You know... *****VS***** ____________
Originally by: CCP Guard Nobody gets to ruin EVE but us!
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Blazde
4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2011.08.25 21:19:00 -
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I like to distinguish between: Carebears who grinds NPCs etc... for personal (e-)material gain just for the sake of having/collecting stuff for no real end. Ie. carebearing is the game for them and they get derided for the pointless accumulation of virtual wealth by doing things others see as 'work'
PvPer may do all the same things in order to get ships/advantages over other players but it doesn't make them a carebear (unless they're also pointlessly accumulating shiney things as well as pvping a bit - the player types defintely overlap)
An astonishing number of MMOG players do pointlessly accumulate virtual wealth/items often by doing extremely boring and repetitive tasks. EVE's economy relies on it, and the game itself may never have got off the ground without carebears because a lot of the early pvp was simply ganking carebears (it's not the case anymore). Someone should do some serious research into the mentality, it confuses the hell out of me
And then there are Industrialists who may spend all their time grinding for wealth but like the pvper have some goal in mind for the wealth, usually teamworking with others as part of a large organisation. Thankfully in EVE these people can often outearn the goalless carebear, because of synergies with other types of players and simply due to beng more focused and goal-driven
More historically a Carebear was someone who eschewed pvp, thought it was morally wrong even though their game allowed it, and when ganked would get all righteous and start telling everyone they knew that you were an evil 'PKer' who should be banned. But you don't seem to get them in EVE anymore _
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Trainwreck McGee
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Posted - 2011.08.25 21:52:00 -
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i call people care bear only when they refuse to take some risks.
People who haul in dangerous areas, live in WH but don't actively pvp, mine in null sec.....people will call them care bears but not I.
You have to willing take no risks for me to call you a care bear.
But i also don't think there is anything wrong with being a care bear.
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Rohnann Varr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.25 22:11:00 -
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Edited by: Rohnann Varr on 25/08/2011 22:11:30
Originally by: Renan Ruivo
Originally by: T'Laar Bok Everyone is a carebear unless they've done PVP in RL. Pew pew on the internet doesn't count, it just make you look like a wannabe and a pen1shead.
Me and my lady PVP all the time. You know... *****VS*****
Watch your back. You don't want to get surprise attacked out of nowhere while you're engaging in PvP. Also, always D-Scan for cloakies.
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Napalm Addiction
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Posted - 2011.08.25 22:52:00 -
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i don't see any more "point" to pvp than mining, it's a game. I use it to put my brain offline. I play CoD for the same reason I mine in eve.
IMO a carebear is someone that doesn't want interaction, or at least surprises.
but overall, a carebear is a carebear
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Cearain
Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
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Posted - 2011.08.25 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Dradius Calvantia I have recently seen this term being used quite liberally to describe anyone participating in non combat activities and I think it is about time that the definition is clarified.
A "Carebear" is not a player who grinds lvl 4 missions, mines all day, spends hours killing sleepers, plays .1 isk games in jita, runs indy POSes all over 0.0, or farms 0.0 plexes and belts. Doing these things in and of them selves does not make one a "Carebear." After all, someone has to perform these activities in order for the game to function, and we all fit into the economy of EVE somehow.
This is how I understand it:
All those things are in fact carebearing. If you do those things and never pvp. Well then you are indeed a carebear. I do those things in order to pvp. But when I am doing them I admit I am carebearing. -Cearain
Make fw pvp not pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906&page=1 |
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Vincent Athena
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Posted - 2011.08.25 23:28:00 -
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The definition I like:
A carebear is someone who demands they be taken care of rather than doing whats needed to take care of themselves.
They complain to the corp, alliance or CCP when they get killed, rather than figuring out what they did wrong and how to protect against it.
I personally find the stress of PvP combat leaves me feeling drained and depressed, even if I win. Hence I avoid it. For me the adrenaline rush is a bad thing. Even so I have learned how to live in W-space and haul loot out and fuel in through the low sec static relatively safely.
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Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.25 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Athena
I personally find the stress of PvP combat leaves me feeling drained and depressed, even if I win. Hence I avoid it. For me the adrenaline rush is a bad thing. Even so I have learned how to live in W-space and haul loot out and fuel in through the low sec static relatively safely.
This is a factor, temperamental and physiological factors. I've flown with people who freeze in a fight, who will run away if they can, who fall for traps too easily, pilots who can't listen or follow orders. Can still be fun. Myself i get a cheap little thrill out of a spaceship fight, but it's best when it's consequential, ie helping me get somewhere or defend something or find something, you get the picture.
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Rohnann Varr
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.26 07:47:00 -
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Mmmm. This thread makes me feel a little bit better about myself. Thanks for that :3
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Veronica Kerrigan
Minmatar Hand Of Midas F0RCEFUL ENTRY
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Posted - 2011.08.26 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Blazde I like to distinguish between: Carebears who grinds NPCs etc... for personal (e-)material gain just for the sake of having/collecting stuff for no real end. Ie. carebearing is the game for them and they get derided for the pointless accumulation of virtual wealth by doing things others see as 'work'
PvPer may do all the same things in order to get ships/advantages over other players but it doesn't make them a carebear (unless they're also pointlessly accumulating shiney things as well as pvping a bit - the player types defintely overlap)
An astonishing number of MMOG players do pointlessly accumulate virtual wealth/items often by doing extremely boring and repetitive tasks. EVE's economy relies on it, and the game itself may never have got off the ground without carebears because a lot of the early pvp was simply ganking carebears (it's not the case anymore). Someone should do some serious research into the mentality, it confuses the hell out of me
And then there are Industrialists who may spend all their time grinding for wealth but like the pvper have some goal in mind for the wealth, usually teamworking with others as part of a large organisation. Thankfully in EVE these people can often outearn the goalless carebear, because of synergies with other types of players and simply due to beng more focused and goal-driven
More historically a Carebear was someone who eschewed pvp, thought it was morally wrong even though their game allowed it, and when ganked would get all righteous and start telling everyone they knew that you were an evil 'PKer' who should be banned. But you don't seem to get them in EVE anymore
I would like to thank you for mentioning the importance of industrialists to pvp. It seems like sometimes people forget that ships come from somewhere, and are in fact very vital. Many industrialists may be carebears, but the ones I know build thing that allow combat to happen. My enemy is the enemy of my other enemy, unless my enemy hates me more than my other enemy in which case my enemies are friends. |
Satav
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Posted - 2011.08.26 16:41:00 -
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hehe i myself i consider to be a huge industrial character, although i do a lot of pvp and politics. Let me clarify this.
Regardless of whatever it used to mean, a carebear now means this: a person who thinks that they know everthing when infact they know absolutely nothing. or a person that pretends to be something that hes not. Usually miners who pretend to be pvpers but can be others as well.
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Mercurye
Nubian Sundance
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Posted - 2011.08.26 17:31:00 -
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A Carebear is a species of bear.
Bears often have clawz. ~~~~~~~~~~Sade~~~~~~~~~~ *I'm a Soldier of Love, all the days in my life* |
Lump Hammer
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Posted - 2011.08.26 18:09:00 -
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Carebears try to avoid PvP.
Full stop.
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Ray Parez
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Posted - 2011.08.26 19:08:00 -
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On a slightly different note, I propose that when a former carebear PvP's, they should then be known as a wombat
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Dopesick
Minmatar The Ankou Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.08.26 19:16:00 -
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8 years ago a "Carebear" was someone who refused to engage in pvp...
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Dopesick
Minmatar The Ankou Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.08.26 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Vincent Athena The definition I like:
A carebear is someone who demands they be taken care of rather than doing whats needed to take care of themselves.
They complain to the corp, alliance or CCP when they get killed, rather than figuring out what they did wrong and how to protect against it.
That isn't a carebear. That is a lazy, whiney person.
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Oh'Freddled Gruntbuggly
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Posted - 2011.08.26 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Renan Ruivo
A carebear, as adjetive, is a person who does ONLY carebear activities and refuses any sort of direct PVP. Be it for fear or for moral option.
Or because they can't be bothered and it's easy to avoid.
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Bronden Neopatus
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Posted - 2011.08.26 19:35:00 -
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Carebear is anyone who doesn't plays the game the way the self-proclaimed non-carebears do and doing so is guilt of everything that is wrong with how the self-proclaimed non-carebears play the game.
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Dane El
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Posted - 2011.08.26 19:51:00 -
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This thread is funny. Can you guys debate the specific meaning of numbskull and meathead next?
Carebears are a line of bear shaped toys with pictures on their stomachs. They also appear in some animated shows and movies. My four year old daughter is crazy for them. Some times it gets used by internet nerds to make fun of other internet nerds. That's all you really need to know.
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EvEa Deva
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Posted - 2011.08.26 19:54:00 -
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Carebear is what bored supercool PvPers call people who dont fly into there 50 man gatecamp.
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Ara Soulbright
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Posted - 2011.08.26 19:57:00 -
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But we all got to start somewhere..
I don't want to play this game with 2 mil in my wallet for 8 years.
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Grainsalt
Lorentzian Traversable Corporation
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Posted - 2011.08.26 21:36:00 -
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I usually don't enjoy mdium to large scale pvp. And my favorite type of pvp is suicide ganking. Even if its just a retriever it makes me laugh like a schoolgirl. lol Must be a character flaw.
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Ephemeron
Black Aces Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.08.26 22:18:00 -
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in 0.0 alliances, the term "carebear" can be used as follows: a) "I need to go carebear for a while" - player needs to make isk b) "no carebearing during ops" - not allowed to farm isk during fleet operations
Basically, "carebearing" has become equivalent to "farming." Thus, a carebear in EVE is same as farmer in other games.
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Russell Casey
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Posted - 2011.08.26 22:20:00 -
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A Carebear is anyone who:
1)Lives in Highsec
2) Avoids fights they'll probably lose (that would be most of the playerbase).
3)Lives in Highsec.
4) Avoids fighting assault ships with their 200m Hulk for a can of 1m worth of ore.
5) Goes the other way when their scout finds a gatecamp.
6) Wants to farm isk instead of spending four hours sitting in a blob listening to bad ***** jokes and robo-speak on voice chat only to be told to stand down.
7) Doesn't care about pvping in a game where even the "pros" admit it takes 1-2 hours, with skill, to even get some going on.
8) Won't undock into an ECM/remote repper-backed station camp.
10) Thinks lowsec is pointless.
11) Lives in Highsec.
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Si Omega
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Posted - 2011.08.26 23:17:00 -
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I once was a Carebear who suicide jumped in a Chimera against a fleet of subcaps, a dread and a carrier popping my lo-sec tower. I was PvP'ing...
I had "honor" "kudos" "machismo".... yardy yah.
Good for me, cost me 2b all up. Rather be called a Carebear than a fail pvp'er...
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.26 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Renan Ruivo Ok.. well there are a few things that need to be clarified here. Carebear is both an adjetive and a verb.
You can be a hardcore PVP'er that kills dozens of people everyday, solo, on your rifter, in 0.0. But once you start to kill rats, sell things on the market or mine, you're doing "Carebear ActivitiesÖ" or "CarebearingÖ". That does not means, though, that you are a carebear.
A carebear, as adjetive, is a person who does ONLY carebear activities and refuses any sort of direct PVP. Be it for fear or for moral option.
Every single pilot in New Eden is in fact a carebear. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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