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cxvrr
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.25 01:46:00 -
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I don't understand how they do it, one can look at eve-kill and see 2 by the looks of it pretty similar fleets, but Fairlight only has maybe a light dic loss when the other fleet is totally obliterated.
Are they really that good, or is there something else to it? I mean you can't just ignore incoming DPS. Is there someone with insight that can shed some light for me?
Hopefully some day soon they will cyno in on the wrong trap and lose everything. that would be a fun battlereport to read
Not starting a flame war, just want some help understanding! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9552
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Posted - 2012.09.25 01:48:00 -
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Well, there's this, which lets you tank more than one might otherwise expectGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Orzo Torasson
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
71
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Posted - 2012.09.25 02:03:00 -
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I think the only people that could answer this properly are people from R&K themselves!
I don't know if they invented the concept of triage-supported armor fleets, but they sure as hell perfected it. I say this having been wiped out by a R&K fleet in lowsec myself! |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
77
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Posted - 2012.09.25 02:06:00 -
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Just goes to show you how simple creativity and a bit of resourcefulness can go a long ways. |
Tysinger
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
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Posted - 2012.09.25 02:10:00 -
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I FKN LUV R&K!!!!! |
Xolve
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
1113
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Posted - 2012.09.25 02:24:00 -
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I would like to introduce you to the Tech 2 Triage Module.
It improves your reps a lot, and by a lot, I mean a lot. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
100
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Posted - 2012.09.25 02:38:00 -
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Orzo Torasson wrote:I think the only people that could answer this properly are people from R&K themselves!
I don't know if they invented the concept of triage-supported armor fleets, but they sure as hell perfected it. I say this having been wiped out by a R&K fleet in lowsec myself! If it's the op I think it was, I was there...
I can still hear Zagdul screaming as you died. My dreams have never been the same since..... I'm haunted. |
Imports Plus
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.25 02:55:00 -
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As someone who has fought R&K quite a bit in Syndicate- their tactics come down to this:
1. Superior logi numbers. They will not fight anything without overwhelming logistics.
2. Cyno bait traps. This is what they do, they drop carriers and dreads on everything.
3. The Green Killboard- they will not take any fight ever without being assured of success.
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MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1133
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Posted - 2012.09.25 03:21:00 -
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you can watch the videos they make that tell everyone how to do what they do. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
Fkn Arson
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.25 03:21:00 -
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Imports Plus wrote:As someone who has fought R&K quite a bit in Syndicate- their tactics come down to this:
1. Superior logi numbers. They will not fight anything without overwhelming logistics.
2. Cyno bait traps. This is what they do, they drop carriers and dreads on everything.
3. The Green Killboard- they will not take any fight ever without being assured of success.
Sound Tactics, I remember watching the R&K Videos and being so jealous and impressed I trained this character straight into a Thanny and didnt stop till all the logistical skills were V. |
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Morium Blue
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2012.09.25 03:27:00 -
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We're just some dudes who play and enjoy the game like anyone else. Some days you get the bear, some days the bear gets you. It's all part of the fun.
Imports Plus wrote:As someone who has fought R&K quite a bit in Syndicate- their tactics come down to this:
1. Superior logi numbers. They will not fight anything without overwhelming logistics.
2. Cyno bait traps. This is what they do, they drop carriers and dreads on everything.
3. The Green Killboard- they will not take any fight ever without being assured of success.
Point one is true, although not necessarily more logistics than the opposition. In some of the fights on the upcoming VidBrs we have half the number of logistics of the opposition. However, I agree that we like to have good logistics, and put emphasis on it. It's an aspect of the game people associate us with. Some might say it's a good thing and some might say it's not but as Hilmar said once, it's the only game where you can save your friends.
Two is partly true, we do throw caps around sometimes. Though I'd say less so than some entities. No point having it gather dust in the hangar though, right?
As for three, some of the fights we get into we could never say we're certain to win. If you look at the recent battle reports over the past few months for example, on 3rd party sites: dropping supers on CFC in open fleet combat like here is obviously going to be a bit risky, and anyone who says we knew 100% that our 'Starburst' would work is probably putting too much faith in us. Or even the fight last week, for that matter, 55 vs 220, against a bs-heavy fleet. I'd like to say it was all planned at a BBQ in 1927 but in reality it's, as for everyone, just trying go make sure more things go right than go wrong.
Fkn Arson wrote: Sound Tactics, I remember watching the R&K Videos and being so jealous and impressed I trained this character straight into a Thanny and didnt stop till all the logistical skills were V.
You mean an Archon, I hope? |
Fkn Arson
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.25 04:03:00 -
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Morium Blue wrote:Fkn Arson wrote: Sound Tactics, I remember watching the R&K Videos and being so jealous and impressed I trained this character straight into a Thanny and didnt stop till all the logistical skills were V.
You mean an Archon, I hope?
I'm working on Amarr ships next, Archon in a few months :D. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
618
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Posted - 2012.09.25 04:10:00 -
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Imports Plus wrote:As someone who has fought R&K quite a bit in Syndicate- their tactics come down to this:
1. Superior logi numbers. They will not fight anything without overwhelming logistics.
2. Cyno bait traps. This is what they do, they drop carriers and dreads on everything.
3. The Green Killboard- they will not take any fight ever without being assured of success.
Tell me all about these battles in Syndicate you've had today, on this day of your birth.
Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Imports Plus
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.25 04:26:00 -
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Morium Blue wrote:As for three, some of the fights we get into we could never say we're certain to win
CVA and FA? lololo I stand by my 3rd statement. You dudes are good though don't get me wrong. There is no magic to it though.
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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
197
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Posted - 2012.09.25 04:46:00 -
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Sobaan Tali wrote:Just goes to show you how simple creativity and a bit of resourcefulness can go a long ways. Using coordination, (ab)using every nook and cranny of game mechanics, it's abhorrent to most gamers in the world, it's cheating, vile and it's geeky.
But it's very much EvE.
Anyone who doesn't like this kind of play, is in the wrong game ;)
Or is going to invent a different way to get things done tomorrow.
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Morium Blue
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
8
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Posted - 2012.09.25 05:01:00 -
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Imports Plus wrote: CVA and FA? lololo I stand by my 3rd statement. You dudes are good though don't get me wrong. There is no magic to it though.
Well, those are just a couple recent battle reports, you can always look through FHC reports, eve news sites, videos, etc. for a big range of different opposition from across Eve and all walks of Eve life, some of whom will be more to your liking (depending what that liking is; quality is a subjective thing). But the point was more about tricky situations rather than specific parties, hence the linking of very recent stuff - pointing out an example from the week before is simply more effective.
Agree on the magic, though. My post was in fact also dissuading that notion. Instead, it's just a hotch-potch mix of camaraderie, planning, luck (on a good day), a bit of white-knighting Princess and a pinch of derring-do, and the eternal battle to keep fail at bay. As it is for us all
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1135
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Posted - 2012.09.25 05:06:00 -
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I for one have always been very impressed with Rs&Ks....
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Dorn Val
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
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Posted - 2012.09.25 06:06:00 -
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Putting someone down for only engaging when they think they can win makes as much sense as complimenting someone for being stupid. Of course you're not going to engage is you think you're gonna die in a fire -duh...
IMHO R&K are some of the most professional PVPers in Eve. They're not perfect, they do in fact make mistakes, but they make fewer mistakes than the rest of us (which means we all need to step up our game).
Love you long time R&K, and if it weren't for your hot drops some of our Syndicate roams would be really boring. My only .02 is that a lot of green on a killboard can mean that you're really good, or you're really risk adverse... Just like there is no I in Team there is no Fair in Eve... |
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
295
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Posted - 2012.09.25 06:54:00 -
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Rook and Kings are micro-managers (finesse) where most everyone else are macro ditto (brute force) .. hats off to them for making such a thing work in Eve.
Imports Plus wrote:As someone who has fought R&K quite a bit in Syndicate- their tactics come down to this:
1. Superior logi numbers. They will not fight anything without overwhelming logistics.
2. Cyno bait traps. This is what they do, they drop carriers and dreads on everything.
3. The Green Killboard- they will not take any fight ever without being assured of success. Doesn't that risk mitigation paradigm go for everyone these days?
Would personally rather fight (as friend or enemy) a party that has heavy logistics than heavy eWar (read: ECM) which is the other prong on the risk averse spork.
Does not matter in the end as CCP has stated (and we are all waiting!) that they are exploring options into what can be done to restrict unscoutable forces (ie: Drop/Bridge).
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MotherMoon
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1133
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Posted - 2012.09.25 07:01:00 -
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listen rooks and kings are baller status in my book.
http://youtu.be/u4medDjr-0U
http://youtu.be/u4medDjr-0U
That's amazin refitting in the middle of battle to ajust for the situation? So like a scimitar refits mid battle to an x-large shield rep and cap mods that keep it stable to act as bait whie targeted. Then once they figure out they can't kill him they refit the logi back to beig a healer and the new target drgs on resistace mods and refitts into something normally terrible becuase you have no dps. But once your not primary you just refit to your normal dps build.
If you want to know why rooks and kings have good kill boards it's becuase they invented a new way to play.
The best part is they have another video where they show how to counter this build, by defeating someone who uses it verus them. It's cool stuff they make all tactics public or people will use them. http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg |
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Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
798
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Posted - 2012.09.25 09:45:00 -
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Oh, it is about Rooks and Kings? *yawn*
I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
745
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Posted - 2012.09.25 10:07:00 -
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This video made me laugh my ass off. I'd heard of this tactic before but I've never seen it used.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4medDjr-0U
Edit: Oh, this video was already linked. Well, it deserves a second page bump. :P http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
cxvrr
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.09.25 12:53:00 -
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Thanks a lot for your input guys, especially Morium Blue. I think i have a much clearer picture on whats going on now.. logistics, extensive planning and expensive ships. |
adopt
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
431
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Posted - 2012.09.25 13:03:00 -
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Rooks and Kings tactics are basically the same tactics everyone uses but with a different name. They're only (in)famous because of their Triage tactics; which no matter what everyone says is not impossible to destroy. Why no-one will get a fight with RnK is they will not fight /anyone/ without overwhelming logistics numbers. In one of their VideoBRs (Battle in Notoras) they had 8 guardians for a paltry 13 Tech 3s, which is an absurd number considering with the Tech 3s already insane resists with Armoured Warfare links gets over 50,000 DPS Tank and enough rep from all 8 guardians to fully repair a Tech 3 with 17000 armour Hit points in one cycle. There is nothing "special" about Rooks and Kings, the only thing that sets them aside from the herd is the fact they will fight anyone, and anything with tracking dreadnaughts, 30 billion isk in battleships and triage on stand-by. Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled.
FREE XOLVE ~ THE HERO TEST NEEDS |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
488
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Posted - 2012.09.25 13:59:00 -
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Got hot-dropped by R&K last night on a soco just-for-fun roam. They'd taken out most of our fleet before we'd burnt half way to the gate. A very impressive show of firepower (!!! @ all the sleipnirs) |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4872
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Posted - 2012.09.25 15:38:00 -
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adopt wrote:Why no-one will get a fight with RnK is they will not fight /anyone/ without overwhelming logistics numbers.
Nobody in this game commits without overwhelming logistics. please leave |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
142
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Posted - 2012.09.25 15:41:00 -
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cxvrr wrote:I don't understand how they do it
I agree, it really sucks when people actually LEARN how to do Eve. They should stop that now. |
ashley Eoner
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Posted - 2012.09.25 18:18:00 -
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adopt wrote:Rooks and Kings tactics are basically the same tactics everyone uses but with a different name. They're only (in)famous because of their Triage tactics; which no matter what everyone says is not impossible to destroy. Why no-one will get a fight with RnK is they will not fight /anyone/ without overwhelming logistics numbers. In one of their VideoBRs (Battle in Notoras) they had 8 guardians for a paltry 13 Tech 3s, which is an absurd number considering with the Tech 3s already insane resists with Armoured Warfare links gets over 50,000 DPS Tank and enough rep from all 8 guardians to fully repair a Tech 3 with 17000 armour Hit points in one cycle. There is nothing "special" about Rooks and Kings, the only thing that sets them aside from the herd is the fact they will fight anyone, and anything with tracking dreadnaughts, 30 billion isk in battleships and triage on stand-by. Might try some cream on that butthurt of yours... |
Alua Oresson
Demon-War-Lords Fatal Ascension
138
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Posted - 2012.09.25 18:36:00 -
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Imports Plus wrote:Morium Blue wrote:As for three, some of the fights we get into we could never say we're certain to win CVA and FA? lololo I stand by my 3rd statement. You dudes are good though don't get me wrong. There is no magic to it though.
Says the non PVP forum troll.
R&K are really good. They have cajones to spare. I've fought them before in Syndicate. The thing I admire is that their FCs react to changing circumstances very well and very quickly. http://pvpwannabe.blogspot.com/ |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
688
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Posted - 2012.09.25 18:48:00 -
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My favorite r&k video is ironclad. Goes into their heavy use of cruiser logi in addition to carrier triage. http://youtu.be/j4hPTGN3Q6w |
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