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Chevalleis
The Legendary Conquest
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Posted - 2011.08.30 15:53:00 -
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Linkage
Seems definitely interesting, especially on items that are most involved in long-time runs. Haven't looked into the actual test data yet, but it is promising.
Thoughts?
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malaire
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Posted - 2011.08.30 16:02:00 -
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Best to discuss in comments thread of that devblog, and not here.
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2011.08.30 16:16:00 -
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It's okay to discuss it in this thread. It's on-topic, and I'm sure many MD regulars wouldn't mind staying home :D
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Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro
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Posted - 2011.08.30 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout I'm sure many MD regulars wouldn't mind staying home :D
It's a dark and scary place out there
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Alain Kinsella
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.30 22:31:00 -
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In that case I'll bring up my concern here as well.
Is this the first step towards regulating market sources? Skreegs has not yet posted his own devblog on what will be considered botting, and I can see this as the first step towards ending cache readers as legal (or at best, unsupported).
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.08.31 00:42:00 -
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This data dump is by far much less featured to what I put together in few days.
I can't find a practical use for it, besides drawing some colorful yet meaningless charts.
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.08.31 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha This data dump is by far much less featured to what I put together in few days.
I can't find a practical use for it, besides drawing some colorful yet meaningless charts.
Why haven't you ragequit yet, miss/mister "I am so angry at CCP I am unsubbing all my accounts VV"? You announced your intentions, what, months ago? You even claimed to have let a few run out already. But here you are. Complaining about a game that you shouldn't even be playing. --------------------
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trance atlas
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Posted - 2011.08.31 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha This data dump is by far much less featured to what I put together in few days.
I can't find a practical use for it, besides drawing some colorful yet meaningless charts.
Why haven't you ragequit yet, miss/mister "I am so angry at CCP I am unsubbing all my accounts VV"? You announced your intentions, what, months ago? You even claimed to have let a few run out already. But here you are. Complaining about a game that you shouldn't even be playing.
No "" or market charts it might be a 12 step process
Step 1/12 complete
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.08.31 07:19:00 -
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Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha This data dump is by far much less featured to what I put together in few days.
I can't find a practical use for it, besides drawing some colorful yet meaningless charts.
Why haven't you ragequit yet, miss/mister "I am so angry at CCP I am unsubbing all my accounts VV"? You announced your intentions, what, months ago? You even claimed to have let a few run out already. But here you are. Complaining about a game that you shouldn't even be playing.
I had a 60 days foreclosure announcement, it's not my fault you cannot count up to 60.
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Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2011.08.31 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Lauren Hellfury I'd definitely prefer to receive this data in CSV format, should I want it in a database (SQL or otherwise) it'd be trivial to write a wrapper script to swap it over but the raw CSV version will allow me to do a metric ****ton more with things like grep.
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this time-series data will become useful once the statistically-minded people dig into it (step up you gurus of Stata, gretl, R/S, SPSS, Matlab/Octave ...) and CSV is by far the easiest format to import from.
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.08.31 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 31/08/2011 08:10:44
Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha This data dump is by far much less featured to what I put together in few days.
I can't find a practical use for it, besides drawing some colorful yet meaningless charts.
Why haven't you ragequit yet, miss/mister "I am so angry at CCP I am unsubbing all my accounts VV"? You announced your intentions, what, months ago? You even claimed to have let a few run out already. But here you are. Complaining about a game that you shouldn't even be playing.
I had a 60 days foreclosure announcement, it's not my fault you won't count up to 60. Also, my corporation foreclosure does not imply precisely identical timing account expiration.
Edit:
This feature is just bland, it has nothing to do with my playing EvE or not. Any end user able to double click on the Python installer and spend 1 hour to setup Reverence could provide that data and with 0-1 days delay. Given that the developers have full access to all the data, after 8 years one could expect something better than that.
Edit 2:
For being a "ragequitter" here's quite a constructive market data export dev blog feedback. It even comes with pictures.
Facts, not words.
You are mad. You are quitting. Rage. Quitter. Just because you dress it up and make sure the entire MD section hears your death throes and you grab as much attention as you can ***** in your last hours does not make it excused. It just makes it pathetic. --------------------
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.08.31 16:26:00 -
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Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 31/08/2011 08:10:44
Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha This data dump is by far much less featured to what I put together in few days.
I can't find a practical use for it, besides drawing some colorful yet meaningless charts.
Why haven't you ragequit yet, miss/mister "I am so angry at CCP I am unsubbing all my accounts VV"? You announced your intentions, what, months ago? You even claimed to have let a few run out already. But here you are. Complaining about a game that you shouldn't even be playing.
I had a 60 days foreclosure announcement, it's not my fault you won't count up to 60. Also, my corporation foreclosure does not imply precisely identical timing account expiration.
Edit:
This feature is just bland, it has nothing to do with my playing EvE or not. Any end user able to double click on the Python installer and spend 1 hour to setup Reverence could provide that data and with 0-1 days delay. Given that the developers have full access to all the data, after 8 years one could expect something better than that.
Edit 2:
For being a "ragequitter" here's quite a constructive market data export dev blog feedback. It even comes with pictures.
Facts, not words.
You are mad. You are quitting. Rage. Quitter. Just because you dress it up and make sure the entire MD section hears your death throes and you grab as much attention as you can ***** in your last hours does not make it excused. It just makes it pathetic.
You bunch of trolls are mad. I am not mentioning my leaving in threads yet you assume I post because of it or whatever. You ASSume too much.
I'd have posted the exact reply 1 year ago, 4 months ago and even 2 years forward than today. The data dump IS bland because a company with hundreds of employees cannot deliver worse and less than an end user. If you are easily appeased by something already available TODAY both here and on third party sites, be my guest, but don't pretend everyone has to agree with you else he's rage quitter or blah blah blah.
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Barakach
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Posted - 2011.08.31 17:20:00 -
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Edited by: Barakach on 31/08/2011 17:26:26 So I spend all day at work writing SQL and making reports only to go home an do the same?! :P
Now I have a reason to put my MSDN licenses to use at home. SQL 2008 R2 Enterprise, here I come.
Here is some info I could love to get my hands on
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.08.31 19:00:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
You bunch of trolls are mad. I am not mentioning my leaving in threads yet you assume I post because of it or whatever. You ASSume too much.
I'd have posted the exact reply 1 year ago, 4 months ago and even 2 years forward than today. The data dump IS bland because a company with hundreds of employees cannot deliver worse and less than an end user. If you are easily appeased by something already available TODAY both here and on third party sites, be my guest, but don't pretend everyone has to agree with you else he's rage quitter or blah blah blah.
I didn't say I found this useful. I said you had no room to speak. --------------------
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RAW23
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Posted - 2011.08.31 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Barakach
Here is some info I could love to get my hands on
Max/Min/AVG/Median separated for buy and sells.
I don't understand any of the technical stuff but I would love to have this data!
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Abdiel Kavash
Caldari Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2011.08.31 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Barakach Max/Min/AVG/Median separated for buy and sells.
Of what value exactly is the max sell and the min buy price? Or averages for that matter? ---
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.09.01 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Loraine Gess
I didn't say I found this useful. I said you had no room to speak.
And what decided I had no room to speak?
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Phoebe Halliwel
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Posted - 2011.09.01 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Loraine Gess
I didn't say I found this useful. I said you had no room to speak.
And what decided I had no room to speak?
Stylists across the world looked at your hair, and...
I'm sure CCP will have paper bags soon, dw
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.09.01 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Loraine Gess
I didn't say I found this useful. I said you had no room to speak.
And what decided I had no room to speak?
Well besides all the attention whoring, maybe the fact that you're leaving (or so you keep claiming)? --------------------
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malaire
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Posted - 2011.09.01 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
Originally by: Barakach Max/Min/AVG/Median separated for buy and sells.
Of what value exactly is the max sell and the min buy price? Or averages for that matter?
Extremely usefull. If I have few days to buy/sell something, and I don't want to start 0.01 ISK war, I put my buy order at min buy and my sell order at max sell, and just wait for them to get filled.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.09.01 06:27:00 -
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Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Loraine Gess
I didn't say I found this useful. I said you had no room to speak.
And what decided I had no room to speak?
Well besides all the attention whoring, maybe the fact that you're leaving (or so you keep claiming)?
1) My feedback is as good as anyone else, I have payed to play EvE and posting here exactly like you. Actually, I deal with markets and securities in RL and I know what I am saying when I state the data dump is not good enough.
2) You understood zero of what I have done in 3 years or even how "attention" is gotten by the MMO "celebs". Had you read my first "manifesto": "How to grind MD rep like a pro" (link on 3rd party website, link on EvE forums) you'd know that "attention" and "rep" don't come from grinding them but from doing something.
It's true that I ended up featured in Fanfest 2011 CCP CEO's presentation, on several blogs and EvE news and blah blah blah but it was because of actual suff DONE.
Everyone could do the same as I did, all they have to do is to *care* for the fellow players and for their game. The other players notice the guys who tend to be active, promote initiatives, deliver free services / webisites / apps and so on and give credit where is due.
I am still caring both for the huge amounts of friendly guys in EvE and I am still caring for EvE. If I had a perpetual right to post tutorials and articles without paying the game, I would gladly do. And people would still make my inbox bulge with their own friendly feedback.
This is how MMO social mechanics work, this is also how RL social mechanics work. You can just go forth so much with just talk, past that - as said in the post above - you need facts, not words.
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.09.01 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Loraine Gess
I didn't say I found this useful. I said you had no room to speak.
And what decided I had no room to speak?
Well besides all the attention whoring, maybe the fact that you're leaving (or so you keep claiming)?
1) My feedback is as good as anyone else, I have payed to play EvE and posting here exactly like you. Actually, I deal with markets and securities in RL and I know what I am saying when I state the data dump is not good enough.
2) You understood zero of what I have done in 3 years or even how "attention" is gotten by the MMO "celebs". Had you read my first "manifesto": "How to grind MD rep like a pro" (link on 3rd party website, link on EvE forums) you'd know that "attention" and "rep" don't come from grinding them but from doing something.
It's true that I ended up featured in Fanfest 2011 CCP CEO's presentation, on several blogs and EvE news and blah blah blah but it was because of actual suff DONE.
Everyone could do the same as I did, all they have to do is to *care* for the fellow players and for their game. The other players notice the guys who tend to be active, promote initiatives, deliver free services / webisites / apps and so on and give credit where is due.
I am still caring both for the huge amounts of friendly guys in EvE and I am still caring for EvE. If I had a perpetual right to post tutorials and articles without paying the game, I would gladly do. And people would still make my inbox bulge with their own friendly feedback.
This is how MMO social mechanics work, this is also how RL social mechanics work. You can just go forth so much with just talk, past that - as said in the post above - you need facts, not words.
confirming that attention only refers to refers to action and not having a big drama circlejerk on the forum or continually publicly making announcements that you have no intention of keeping
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Chevalleis
The Legendary Conquest
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Posted - 2011.09.01 11:42:00 -
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Why won't someone just make a thread where they can throw everythin they have at VV and where he can address them before this thread gets locked too?
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Zeta Zhul
Caldari Preemptive Paranoia
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Posted - 2011.09.01 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Loraine Gess
I didn't say I found this useful. I said you had no room to speak.
And what decided I had no room to speak?
Well besides all the attention whoring, maybe the fact that you're leaving (or so you keep claiming)?
You realize your nonsensical attack on VV has taken up about 2/3'rds of this thread?
Seriously. Make a separate thread and get it over and then never speak of it ever again.
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.09.02 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Zeta Zhul
Originally by: Loraine Gess
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Loraine Gess
I didn't say I found this useful. I said you had no room to speak.
And what decided I had no room to speak?
Well besides all the attention whoring, maybe the fact that you're leaving (or so you keep claiming)?
You realize your nonsensical attack on VV has taken up about 2/3'rds of this thread?
Seriously. Make a separate thread and get it over and then never speak of it ever again.
Yes.
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Chevalleis
The Legendary Conquest
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Posted - 2011.09.02 17:01:00 -
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Start with "VV is a great guy, but..." Nothing can go wrong.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2011.09.02 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 02/09/2011 18:22:08
Originally by: Loraine Gess
Yes.
Unfortunately the mods do not appreciate threads focused on one user in a negative fashion.
Want the recipe to get yourself all the glory and attention you believe I worked for (which is bollocks ofc)?
Flip your mentality by 180¦ and start making threads focused on something positive and possibly original, you'll get readers and fans in no time!
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Esan Vartesa
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.09.02 19:10:00 -
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VV, stop feeding the trolls. They're already fat enough as it is.
Getting back to the Dev Blog... So THIS is what the QEN has been replaced by, eh? A trickle of no-effort, no-insight blurbs accompanied by 2-line data extractions from the database with no actual analysis done at all.
It's just depressing how blatantly CCP is pulling resources from Eve Online. I predict we'll get 2, maybe 3 more of these before they stop completely.
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MsValentineWiggin
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Posted - 2011.09.02 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Esan Vartesa
So THIS is what the QEN has been replaced by, eh? A trickle of no-effort, no-insight blurbs accompanied by 2-line data extractions from the database with no actual analysis done at all. It's just depressing how blatantly CCP is pulling resources from Eve Online. I predict we'll get 2, maybe 3 more of these before they stop completely.
Except, this has a huge advantage over QEN. Once the developers code it, it takes no time (other than some maintenance bug fixing) to do these every day "forever." QEN takes headcount and every person deployed on QEN is one more headcount that other teams covet. I agree some analysis is better. But in general I think the effort is best spent in getting the data free from CCP where others can analyze it. I.e., for me more raw data > less data more CCP analysis.
However, less analysis, fewer QEN, no additional data and resources freed up to remove T2 production from hisec and ABC from WHs is, IMHO, not a Good THing.
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