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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.09.01 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Blacksquirrel on 01/09/2011 20:40:57 Normally I dont get uppity over government on goings or politics. I have an opinion, but mostly dont make much of it.
Courageous Illinois Man Faces 75 Years In Prison For Recording Cops
However this is BS. People are getting more jail time than murder and rapists for video taping cops.
It also brings up constitutional issues. The biggest being freedom of the press. Really there's no reason to have this law besides saving face when the police screw up.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.09.01 21:02:00 -
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Did not a US court just rule that filming police was in the OK?
Regardless, it just goes to show what kind of police state US has become, or is trying to be. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Posted - 2011.09.01 21:46:00 -
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Funny, even if you tape them, they get 2 years for an execution.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.09.01 21:59:00 -
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Did not a US court just rule that filming police was in the OK?
Regardless, it just goes to show what kind of police state US has become, or is trying to be.
Tyranny depends on two things:
1. Consent of the governed. 2. Ignorance of your basic civil rights.
America is not what it was, but we are fighting back.
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.09.01 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer America is not what it was, but we are fighting back.
How can you be sure you're not just controlled opposition?
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.09.01 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: Jada Maroo on 01/09/2011 23:32:26
The people of Illinois need to overturn this law. And should the government resist or this man actually be sent to prison, frankly I'd cheer on any Illinois citizen who applies a "Second Amendment solution" to any official involved.
They *know* what they're doing is wrong. They *know* this is unconstitional and unjust. But because of pride and fear of public shame they refuse to apologize and instead push forward to imprison an innocent man.
This is the very definition of tyranny.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.09.02 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer America is not what it was, but we are fighting back.
How can you be sure you're not just controlled opposition?
Because boths "sides" try to silence, intimidate, and shut out me and my friends along with the only representative who wants to stop this FIAT money corporatist welfare-warfare-police state madness.
When I get called a right-wing racist bigot homophobe by the fake left and a leftist anarchist surrender monkey by the fake right, it means we're over the target.
There are people who truly "get it", who will not be fooled by the CNN/MSNBC/ABC matrix nor sucked into the FOX News O'HannityBaugh "Second Matrix to trap those who think they escaped the first" either. Fools to the left of me, idiots to the right, and watching "Dawn of the Dead" does not feel so entertaining any more.
Heck they call us terrorists for this. It's becoming a proud label.
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.09.02 02:05:00 -
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Edited by: Bane Necran on 02/09/2011 02:08:10
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Heck they call us terrorists for this. It's becoming a proud label.
It's been coming out recently in Canada that the guy who started the NDP party was under heavy police surveillance for a decade or two. It's not really anything new or unique to the states for the established government to fear people who want to do something different. However, there's all kinds of new laws passed since 9/11 that do blur the line between citizen and anti-government terrorist in the US. They haven't really acted on any of it yet, though, and i wonder if maybe they're kind of hoping US citizens riot just so they can. That's why i worry some of these movements might be controlled opposition, trying to manipulate dissenters into acting the way they want.
If i was in the states i'd just ask myself if it was really worth sticking up for anymore and consider moving to another country. It doesn't look like there's any good outcome.
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2011.09.02 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran
If i was in the states i'd just ask myself if it was really worth sticking up for anymore and consider moving to another country. It doesn't look like there's any good outcome.
Freedom and liberty are ideals. Ideals are rarely realized fully, instead they are constantly pursued.
The very concept behind our great experiment called democracy is that we constantly pursue, as a people, our ideals. Government and leaders will always do what they do by nature, try to control, try to rule, try to tighten their grip.
What makes us patriots is that we understand that is in their nature, and that in itself isn't a problem. It's just how it is. The key is understanding OUR responsibility is to keep them in check. That government isn't ever the problem or the solution, WE are. A patriot takes personal responsibility for his community and nation.
We don't leave, pick up sticks, head for the hills when things get ugly. Because I'm not some peasant living under a lord, I'm a free man in a free country. No matter what anyone else wants to tell me, this country is mine. It is my neighbors. It is ours, not theirs.
-The corrupt tyrannical corporate backed slime balls treasonously hijacking my country, stealing our taxes for black rotten purposes? -Those sending our boys and girls to die for their war profiteering friends? -'Representatives' intent on perpetuating a system of injustice where we condemn men committing victimless crimes to decades or lives behind bars in 'correctional' facilities in order to maintain pharmaceutical profits, and power plays in central/south america, bolstering 'police' forces to military levels? -Fear-mongers that would have every family living as if mythical terrorists are hiding in every shadow so that all look to the government for the safety, bowing submissively as civil liberties are attacked and blamed and made obsolete?
^^They are the ones who need to go.
I'm not going to leave this country to the wolves, and I don't think anyone else should either.
If justice is everything but, if a government of, by and for the people is no longer, if tyranny is constantly justified by those bankrupt of even the most basic morals, when nationalism prevails and patriotism is lost,
In a democracy there is only one element that can fix that. The people. And if all good and intelligent people leave? Where does that leave us? What does that make us?
To secure our liberties and continue to defend them, that is OUR charge.
If we get soft, weak, apathetic... we get what we have today. Now that the going is getting tough, the tough needs to get going on pulling things back into the realm of sanity.
The problem is we've gone so far, to fix it borders on revolution. So the question then becomes, can we justify a global disruption that will likely cost MANY lives in a revolution? I think this was the #1 concern that weighed on the minds of our founding fathers. At what point to the injustices and tyranny become so bad we must accept bloodshed as a means to fix it?
I don't think we've gone that far. I sure hope not. Our system is still here, we still hold elections. We just need people to break up the power structures, shake up the system until it looks a little better.
/rant
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Tshar Murkon
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Posted - 2011.09.02 04:08:00 -
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Edited by: Tshar Murkon on 02/09/2011 04:09:21 On the Innate Drive For What is Right
As life bled, martyrdom flared its buds. Repression, red from irritation, Rendered ch1nks and cracks; but thuds of Armament û in cowardice û accomplice of the Dictatorial blight throÆ countless years û Wreaked its retribution: Yet hope began to bloom a coloured carapace Enshrining their allegiance ægainst the Terror in their tears.
And on! Splits yawned û breaches in the junta: Flesh fought fanatical minds û Bullets welcomed into open hands And blessed with yearnings for morality: Chiselled man-toys of death and mutilation CouldnÆt repel the might of freedom Surging at the bright horizon.
Crepuscular rays of purpose, body, Flooded pandemonium with Overwhelming clarity, direction û Burdened clouds drifting wayward as the Light channelled out a vision, Intensifying focus on tomorrow û Deepen their stride As they home in to What is theirs, Rightfully theirs!
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.09.02 06:04:00 -
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Rule of Law is vacated
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VKhaun Vex
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Posted - 2011.09.02 06:09:00 -
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Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 02/09/2011 06:14:36 Another ******ed anti-police thread based on nothing.
WATCH YOUR OWN GOD DAMNED VIDEO
This guy is not in jail, and the prosecution has no case. The guy is going to end up winning a law suit. No system is perfect because no system is made up of perfect people. The cops did something stupid. Their friends are trying to cover. It's not going to fly. When he's in jail THEN you can make a thread throwing around ideas like constitutional or freedom of the press. Until then this is no different from any other court case.
I say the person who made this thread is a moron. He hasn't had his say back yet or a trial so I must be correct. Thats how this works right?
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.09.02 07:07:00 -
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Originally by: VKhaun Vex Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 02/09/2011 06:14:36 Another ******ed anti-police thread based on nothing.
So your argument seems to be that because they won't eventually get away with putting this guy in prison for 75 years, the police have actually done nothing wrong?
(They'll refund his legal fees and compensate him for time lost as well right?)
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.09.02 08:01:00 -
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Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 02/09/2011 08:02:33
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Bane Necran
If i was in the states i'd just ask myself if it was really worth sticking up for anymore and consider moving to another country. It doesn't look like there's any good outcome.
Freedom and liberty are ideals. Ideals are rarely realized fully, instead they are constantly pursued.
The very concept behind our great experiment called democracy is that we constantly pursue, as a people, our ideals. Government and leaders will always do what they do by nature, try to control, try to rule, try to tighten their grip.
You make a flawed assumption about what human nature is. The only thing I see in the "human nature" is that we adapt, and we are good at it. And when people adapt to the society we have created for ourself today, we get results like this. The the preasure to confrom is very high indeed. If you don't, you don't get a paycheck, and then no hous or food. Basically wage slavery.
In a sense, we are all victims of our own system (the people, and teh leaders). A system that promotes competition, not cooperation. A system the promotes greed, not sharing. A system that promotes control, not freedom. A system that promotes scarcity, not abundance.
Not only in the US, I am seeing it in EU as well, but to a lesser degree, for now. But UK for instance is having a bad time.
As for me, I do not consider any country worth fighitng for over any other. I am a human being, I am from Earth, a citizen of the Cosmos, to quote Sagan. But we should all stand up for ourself, that I do agree on!
I do not think clinging to this current system we got now is worthwhile though. Even if we remove the top, keeping the same system will just priduce a new breed like we have now. Bigger change needs to take place. We really need a system that has human values in the center, not monetary profit. A system that is based on rationality, not populist agendas like now (face it, all politicians just want to get elected for the next term, and they will feed you whatever bull**** they belive will get them elected) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.09.02 12:27:00 -
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Not really related to this case, but I do sometimes think this whole making videos of the police is getting stupid. Of course when they do something that is out of line it is good to make a video of it. But what would you do if you are just doing your job and some ass is all the time following you with his mobile phone to make a video of it?
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Citizen20100211442
Minmatar Carebear Evolution AEQUITAS.
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Posted - 2011.09.02 12:29:00 -
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No surprise, its US. Get used to NWO cops - obey without questions.
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.09.02 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer Not really related to this case, but I do sometimes think this whole making videos of the police is getting stupid. Of course when they do something that is out of line it is good to make a video of it. But what would you do if you are just doing your job and some ass is all the time following you with his mobile phone to make a video of it?
Well if the police would give a little advance notice of when they plan to act illegally, then we could just film them when we do it and not otherwise.
Man that sure would save everyone a lot of trouble!
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.09.02 12:50:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer Not really related to this case, but I do sometimes think this whole making videos of the police is getting stupid. Of course when they do something that is out of line it is good to make a video of it. But what would you do if you are just doing your job and some ass is all the time following you with his mobile phone to make a video of it?
Maybe reflect on the fact that you and all your collegues have done such a terrible job earlier and just take the consequences of it?
I mean, there is a reason this is a deabte, if police did not abuse their power, this would be a non issue.
"Protect and serve" seem to be so far removed for todays police that its almsot funny if it was not so tragic. It is almost as if the police is just an armed branch of private/corrupt governemnt interest enforcers. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.09.02 13:35:00 -
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Edited by: Blacksquirrel on 02/09/2011 13:38:25
Originally by: VKhaun Vex Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 02/09/2011 06:14:36 Another ******ed anti-police thread based on nothing.
WATCH YOUR OWN GOD DAMNED VIDEO
This guy is not in jail, and the prosecution has no case. The guy is going to end up winning a law suit. No system is perfect because no system is made up of perfect people. The cops did something stupid. Their friends are trying to cover. It's not going to fly. When he's in jail THEN you can make a thread throwing around ideas like constitutional or freedom of the press. Until then this is no different from any other court case.
I say the person who made this thread is a moron. He hasn't had his say back yet or a trial so I must be correct. Thats how this works right?
First it's not an anti police thread. I dont paint the cops with a single brush. I dont think they're fascist. If there are bad cops or bad laws fix the bad cops or the bad laws. (Such as this one) The cops in this case were enforcing the law (Even if it is stupid) So I dont really blame them.
Well sir it's not primarily about just "This" case now is it? It's about a law that has unconstitutional elements in it. It's bogus law to begin with that serves no function to the public good. No the guy has not beaten it yet. He could still loose.
The very fact that people get arrested for this is ridiculous. Matter of fact in Chicago a women got arrested for this, and put on trial because she recorded a cop sexually harassing her (after she called them for help) Then when she tried the (Honest way) to get justice. They gave her the run around, and tried to ignore it, and hide it. So she recorded that conversation...She requested actions be taken, (Now with proof of wrong doings) and then was arrested, and she did go to trial.
Furthermore I dont need to see a man go to trial, and get convicted to know that a law violates the U.S Constitution. Does that make any sense?
So once again as you seemingly can't grasp a few things... Cops == not the real problem here. A law that gives more time for recording cops (Who record you all the time btw) than violent crimes, and violates constitutional rights == BAD.
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Alu Utukku
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Posted - 2011.09.02 19:12:00 -
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there is far more than enough evidence to show the trajectory of 'free countries' are no longer free, if they ever really were.
perhaps the closest analog would be the mccarthy era pinko red alerts where everyone and their dog was a communist that needed 'investigating' and simple investigation was cause enough to end whatever life you may have had.
now we're all 'terrorists', simply for making statements such as these. nevermind that dhs is the biggest scam out side of the financial markets in the past decade.
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/08/29/terrorism
also related, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5FBCHKu2KU
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/31/AR2009123101746.html
chertoff admits being financially linked to the company dhs bought the scanners from for the tsa.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.09.02 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: Alu Utukku there is far more than enough evidence to show the trajectory of 'free countries' are no longer free, if they ever really were.
America is SAID to be a free country.
It's a REAL free country.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr The Dark Space Initiative Revival Of The Talocan Empire
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Posted - 2011.09.03 02:19:00 -
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Way to blow **** out of proportion.
They key phrase here is
"IF CONVICTED"
No judge will convict him of all counts; if anything he'll get some lesser sentence for like 6 months community service or something.
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2011.09.03 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane Way to blow **** out of proportion.
They key phrase here is
"IF CONVICTED"
No judge will convict him of all counts; if anything he'll get some lesser sentence for like 6 months community service or something.
Nothing is blown out of proportion.
When a citizen can be arrested and charged for these actions alone, that is the action of a tyrannical police state.
They serve us, not the other way around.
The fact he will face ANY punishment for doing what is patriotic and a community service is as wrong as wrong is wrong.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.09.03 03:16:00 -
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Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 03/09/2011 03:19:26
Originally by: Sader Rykane Way to blow **** out of proportion.
They key phrase here is
"IF CONVICTED"
No judge will convict him of all counts; if anything he'll get some lesser sentence for like 6 months community service or something.
Back in 2005 I was on a clearly marked and legal hiking trail in upstate New York, and while standing right next to the sign that showed the park cop was wrong, his reply to my denial of wrongdoing was:
"well, then just fight it in court".
He did that on the premise that nobody is going to come all the way back up from Florida to fight a 60 dollar ticket.
Not only did I drive up, beat the ticket (because the coward pig knew I had a picture of him right next to the sign while he was having a temper tantrum because the 12 NYC firefighters I was with didn't avert their eyes and grovel before his badge), I went after his job and made sure a nice big fat stain hit his record.
Getting charged with a crime means a lot of time lost and hassle. If you are poor, you will get a public defender who gets his paycheck from the same source as the judge and the cops - and that defense will want to plea you out. The cops will heap on every little charge they can think of too. If you bounce too hard when they pin you they call that "resisting arrest".
Funny though that in all cases where cops are caught beating people up for no reason, it was on video, and that was the ONLY defense the person had. How many people are languishing in prison because someone did not have a camera?
It's criminal at this point. We have thug cops. Period. And if you shoot them, they get a state funeral complete with all the pomp and circumstance laced with disgusting cop worship.
Catch them on camera, and put it on the internet, and the thug cop will wish you shot at him instead. They are no longer victims when you catch them in the act of being thugs.
Victimism plays a key role in America today. We have an entire generation raised on the notion that if you are the victim, you can do anything you want, even break the law. So the concept of "cops as victims" is important. Catch them having tantrums and acting like bullies and this notion is gone.
Keep in mind that if you are poor and still manage to hire a lawyer and get a good defense, you are bankrupt anyway. But if you are rich, they "system" will get a boatload of money out of you . This is why the police invented this DUI thing. If you so much as admit to having ANY alcohol that day, even if one glass of wine with dinner that was hours ago, they can stick you with DUI and will. They do this because from a poor person they are still going to get around 1000 dollars. From people who have money, up to 30000, for the same crime.
They do this because the fat cop is going to have health problems by the time he retires, and his fat wife already has diabetes and bad knees. His fat kids, one autistic because like a good little citizen the cop had his kids vaccinated, already have health problems. The majority of police and government jobs come with full health coverage. So a cop can make from 40 to 80 thousand a year depending on where he works, but suck up hundreds of thousands more in health care cost, benefits, and then pension and retirement where they keep going on raking in a lot of money long after they stop working. It's called "P&R" and few cops will disobey unlawful orders because it will risk their P&R.
So the state is going to milk every last dollar it can out of the milk cows (that's us). Honest people cannot work in a job like that. I know a lot of good people, many of them were once cops.
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.09.03 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sader Rykane Way to blow **** out of proportion.
They key phrase here is
"IF CONVICTED"
No judge will convict him of all counts; if anything he'll get some lesser sentence for like 6 months community service or something.
No the key word here is arrested... You think it's ok that people can get arrested for video taping/recording cops in their own homes? You're ok with the press not being able to video tape cops in public? Being arrested,charged, and awaiting a felony trial isn't a small thing. What if that person can't afford bail? That means they sit in city jail until their court date which is usually a couple of months.
Let's say he does get 6 months of CC. You really think someone taping cops should get that? Has anyone yet been able to explain what public service or public safety this law provides? Or why in some states cops are now required to wear video cameras on their person full time when on duty? Bit of a dichotomy when you have states with exact opposite laws. Furthermore lets just create a hypothetical situation. (Not really that hypothetical now because we see plenty of bad cops going overboard on video) You take out your phone take a few snap shots at a scene...maybe the cops have acted poorly maybe they haven't. You're fine with getting your phone confiscated or yourself arrested? Not even impeding a police action just standing off to the side? If anything the cops were doing their job your video could prove just that... That they took appropriate actions. Which could avoid some ******ed lawsuit against them or the city etc...Saving money and time.
Someone please enlighten me why this is a good thing or something to be ignored?
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VKhaun Vex
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Posted - 2011.09.03 06:16:00 -
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Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 03/09/2011 06:16:32
Originally by: Blacksquirrel Someone please enlighten me why this is a good thing or something to be ignored?
You're writing in a second half of what everyone says. I don't know what your problem is but it's really annoying that you spin everything like this.
No one said it was a positive thing that it happened, they were arguing against you blowing it out of proportion toward the negative.
Originally by: Blacksquirrel No the key word here is arrested...
This is called backpedalling. You started a thread with keywords about spending the better part of a cetury in jail, and you knew it was trivial and he wouldn't be. Now you're talking about being convicted and you know that THAT is trivial because he won't be it. Even says in your own ****ing vid they have no case.
You think anyone is fooled by **** like this?
Next you'll be talking about whatever the next step down is like it's the end of all freedom and they are stamping your occupation as a barcode on your ass when you're born. When you run out of things to take into hyperbole the thread will die and you'll calm down until you find another article to start over with again.
It's ridiculous sensationalism. It's not helping anyone.
There's a real discussion that could be had about what to do with the situation of an officer being wrong when arresting someone and how to balance error rate with abuse, and you are just getting in the way with this bull**** 'enlighten me about how it's a good thing' derail attempt in your own thread!
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2011.09.03 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: VKhaun Vex Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 03/09/2011 06:16:32
Originally by: Blacksquirrel Someone please enlighten me why this is a good thing or something to be ignored?
You're writing in a second half of what everyone says. I don't know what your problem is but it's really annoying that you spin everything like this.
No one said it was a positive thing that it happened, they were arguing against you blowing it out of proportion toward the negative.
Originally by: Blacksquirrel No the key word here is arrested...
This is called backpedalling. You started a thread with keywords about spending the better part of a cetury in jail, and you knew it was trivial and he wouldn't be. Now you're talking about being convicted and you know that THAT is trivial because he won't be it. Even says in your own ****ing vid they have no case.
You think anyone is fooled by **** like this?
Next you'll be talking about whatever the next step down is like it's the end of all freedom and they are stamping your occupation as a barcode on your ass when you're born. When you run out of things to take into hyperbole the thread will die and you'll calm down until you find another article to start over with again.
It's ridiculous sensationalism. It's not helping anyone.
There's a real discussion that could be had about what to do with the situation of an officer being wrong when arresting someone and how to balance error rate with abuse, and you are just getting in the way with this bull**** 'enlighten me about how it's a good thing' derail attempt in your own thread!
Funny how pointing out a preposterous arrest and the charges made can be considered blowing something out of proportion.
Did he not get arrested? Are the charges against him punishable by the terms detailed?
Or is you assumption what is blown out of proportion? That he hasn't yet been convicted in a court of law is evidence there is nothing to see here, move along.
It's not ridiculous sensationalism, it's ridiculous law enforcement. It is helping everyone. In a democracy, if people don't know **** like this is going on, no one will move to stop it.
Why don't you enlighten us as to why this is such a non issue? Nothing to be worried about.
How could we make you eat your words knowing you would just shrivel away from the thread never to be heard from again if a judge actually convicted and sentenced this man to prison time for doing what is a civic duty?
Oh that's right, no one ever gets convicted wrongly in kangaroo courts in this country... also, there is NO PROBLEM with police over stepping their bounds either (all a liberal cop-hating lie)
therefore we should not be worried about stuff like this.
The nerve of people being upset about stuff like this and discussing it on forums. Jeez. What is this world coming to.
Everyone shut up and stop talking about this. You've offended VKhaun with something that doesn't align with his personal opinions.
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VKhaun Vex
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Posted - 2011.09.03 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Funny how pointing out a preposterous arrest and the charges made can be considered blowing something out of proportion.
Did he not get arrested? Are the charges against him punishable by the terms detailed?
Thanks for repeating his mistake and doubling my example.
My work in this thread is done. I'm not going in circles like last time, I have a clear example of my point posted twice back to back and I'm going to quit while I'm ahead.
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.09.03 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: Blacksquirrel on 03/09/2011 14:17:51
Originally by: VKhaun Vex Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 03/09/2011 06:16:32
Originally by: Blacksquirrel Someone please enlighten me why this is a good thing or something to be ignored?
You're writing in a second half of what everyone says. I don't know what your problem is but it's really annoying that you spin everything like this.
No one said it was a positive thing that it happened, they were arguing against you blowing it out of proportion toward the negative.
Originally by: Blacksquirrel No the key word here is arrested...
This is called backpedalling. You started a thread with keywords about spending the better part of a cetury in jail, and you knew it was trivial and he wouldn't be. Now you're talking about being convicted and you know that THAT is trivial because he won't be it. Even says in your own ****ing vid they have no case.
You think anyone is fooled by **** like this?
Next you'll be talking about whatever the next step down is like it's the end of all freedom and they are stamping your occupation as a barcode on your ass when you're born. When you run out of things to take into hyperbole the thread will die and you'll calm down until you find another article to start over with again.
It's ridiculous sensationalism. It's not helping anyone.
There's a real discussion that could be had about what to do with the situation of an officer being wrong when arresting someone and how to balance error rate with abuse, and you are just getting in the way with this bull**** 'enlighten me about how it's a good thing' derail attempt in your own thread!
I can't be upset about the whole thing? I should really just wait for conviction because thats what my original post states?
I've already stated people have been arrested and sent to trial over this. The whole thing is BS. And if i am making "forum drama" I dont care in the least bit. Getting arrested for nonsense is something to be upset over... And this hasnt just happened once or twice. Furthermore you have no way of knowing if the man will or wont be convicted. I would assume a judge or jury would see such a case and throw it out... But I would also assume that a law such as this wouldnt be made in the first place. He could be convicted because well he did break the law...(which is video taping or recording police is a felony)
I'm not attempting to derail my own thread it's was a rhetorical statement. Nor would that really be an instance of "detrailment" as it's still a part of the topic on hand. So you really believe that a person shouldnt be upset over people getting arrested and sent to trial over video taping police? Hell they drop drug cases more than these now in Illinois.
Too reiterate for the third time... The whole thing stinks, and people should not be arrested, await trial, or even go to trial for something like this.
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Originally by: VKhaun Vex
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Funny how pointing out a preposterous arrest and the charges made can be considered blowing something out of proportion.
Did he not get arrested? Are the charges against him punishable by the terms detailed?
Thanks for repeating his mistake and doubling my example.
My work in this thread is done. I'm not going in circles like last time, I have a clear example of my point posted twice back to back and I'm going to quit while I'm ahead.
"Ha ha I got you, I was secretly tricking you with a trick no one but me saw but I got you and I won. I'm going home now and I'm turning off the computer so you can't say otherwise don't even bother I wont be here I fell for that before I already know I won so I'm leaving. Good thing I got you so good that I won ok I'm done here bye don't even type anything in response because I wont even see it I'm asleep already"
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Taedrin
Gallente Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2011.09.04 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Rule of Law is vacated
Not to get off topic here, but the "Rule of Law" specifically refers to the government having to obey it's own laws. I.E. the king/queen of a monarchy can't make it illegal to smoke weed, and then go and do it themselves.
It has nothing to do with governments making stupid or unfair laws, so long as those laws are obeyed by those who govern. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2011.09.04 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Rule of Law is vacated
Not to get off topic here, but the "Rule of Law" specifically refers to the government having to obey it's own laws. I.E. the king/queen of a monarchy can't make it illegal to smoke weed, and then go and do it themselves.
It has nothing to do with governments making stupid or unfair laws, so long as those laws are obeyed by those who govern.
Rule of law is just that: law rules. Everyone. Not just the leaders, everyone.
I think you missed the point? It has nothing to do with stupid laws, it has to do with some laws being selectively enforced on some groups while other laws are not enforced at all.
It makes justice everything but. As policy it effectively undermines if not invalidates the authority of the Justice Department and makes a mockery of the entire system.
Just business as usual for the United Corporations of America.
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Taedrin
Gallente Kushan Industrial
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Posted - 2011.09.04 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Rule of Law is vacated
Not to get off topic here, but the "Rule of Law" specifically refers to the government having to obey it's own laws. I.E. the king/queen of a monarchy can't make it illegal to smoke weed, and then go and do it themselves.
It has nothing to do with governments making stupid or unfair laws, so long as those laws are obeyed by those who govern.
Rule of law is just that: law rules. Everyone. Not just the leaders, everyone.
I think you missed the point? It has nothing to do with stupid laws, it has to do with some laws being selectively enforced on some groups while other laws are not enforced at all.
It makes justice everything but. As policy it effectively undermines if not invalidates the authority of the Justice Department and makes a mockery of the entire system.
Just business as usual for the United Corporations of America.
Actually, I see your point now. There is virtually no difference between a monarch believing that the law does not apply to him, and a government which simply ignores the law/looks the other way selectively. ----------
Originally by: Dr Fighter "how do you know when youve had a repro accident"
Theres modules missing and morphite in your mineral pile.
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Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 04/09/2011 03:23:52
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
He could be convicted because well he did break the law...(which is video taping or recording police is a felony)
We've articulated our points just fine and I'm not interested in beating a dead horse, but this is a pretty bold snippet.
Are you using the logic, that because he was wrongfully arrested by a cop and charged with eavesdropping in a case they haven't won and aren't likely to win to send him to jail for 75 years... that this makes it 'illegal' in your mind?
Or is there an actual law you can cite that makes it illegal to videotape or record police?
You do realize if it were illegal they would not need to try and charge him with something abstract like eavesdropping, right? They would just charge him with the actual offense of breaking that law... Though of course you might mean it's illegal somewhere else...
I'd love to know where there's a law directly against this and not some other pending court case you're assuming will result in tyranny and the end of all freedom.
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Pr1ncess Alia
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Posted - 2011.09.04 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: VKhaun Vex Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 04/09/2011 03:23:52
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
He could be convicted because well he did break the law...(which is video taping or recording police is a felony)
We've articulated our points just fine and I'm not interested in beating a dead horse, but this is a pretty bold snippet.
Are you using the logic, that because he was wrongfully arrested by a cop and charged with eavesdropping in a case they haven't won and aren't likely to win to send him to jail for 75 years... that this makes it 'illegal' in your mind?
Or is there an actual law you can cite that makes it illegal to videotape or record police?
You do realize if it were illegal they would not need to try and charge him with something abstract like eavesdropping, right? They would just charge him with the actual offense of breaking that law... Though of course you might mean it's illegal somewhere else...
I'd love to know where there's a law directly against this and not some other pending court case you're assuming will result in tyranny and the end of all freedom.
That the man can get arrested under our laws for this is what's absurd and outrageous.
The problem isn't that the arrest was illegal. It's that the arrest was legal.
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M0N0LITH
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer on 03/09/2011 03:19:26
Originally by: Sader Rykane Way to blow **** out of proportion.
They key phrase here is
"IF CONVICTED"
No judge will convict him of all counts; if anything he'll get some lesser sentence for like 6 months community service or something.
Back in 2005 I was on a clearly marked and legal hiking trail in upstate New York, and while standing right next to the sign that showed the park cop was wrong, his reply to my denial of wrongdoing was:
"well, then just fight it in court".
He did that on the premise that nobody is going to come all the way back up from Florida to fight a 60 dollar ticket.
Not only did I drive up, beat the ticket (because the coward pig knew I had a picture of him right next to the sign while he was having a temper tantrum because the 12 NYC firefighters I was with didn't avert their eyes and grovel before his badge), I went after his job and made sure a nice big fat stain hit his record.
Getting charged with a crime means a lot of time lost and hassle. If you are poor, you will get a public defender who gets his paycheck from the same source as the judge and the cops - and that defense will want to plea you out. The cops will heap on every little charge they can think of too. If you bounce too hard when they pin you they call that "resisting arrest".
Funny though that in all cases where cops are caught beating people up for no reason, it was on video, and that was the ONLY defense the person had. How many people are languishing in prison because someone did not have a camera?
It's criminal at this point. We have thug cops. Period. And if you shoot them, they get a state funeral complete with all the pomp and circumstance laced with disgusting cop worship.
Catch them on camera, and put it on the internet, and the thug cop will wish you shot at him instead. They are no longer victims when you catch them in the act of being thugs.
Victimism plays a key role in America today. We have an entire generation raised on the notion that if you are the victim, you can do anything you want, even break the law. So the concept of "cops as victims" is important. Catch them having tantrums and acting like bullies and this notion is gone.
Keep in mind that if you are poor and still manage to hire a lawyer and get a good defense, you are bankrupt anyway. But if you are rich, they "system" will get a boatload of money out of you . This is why the police invented this DUI thing. If you so much as admit to having ANY alcohol that day, even if one glass of wine with dinner that was hours ago, they can stick you with DUI and will. They do this because from a poor person they are still going to get around 1000 dollars. From people who have money, up to 30000, for the same crime.
They do this because the fat cop is going to have health problems by the time he retires, and his fat wife already has diabetes and bad knees. His fat kids, one autistic because like a good little citizen the cop had his kids vaccinated, already have health problems. The majority of police and government jobs come with full health coverage. So a cop can make from 40 to 80 thousand a year depending on where he works, but suck up hundreds of thousands more in health care cost, benefits, and then pension and retirement where they keep going on raking in a lot of money long after they stop working. It's called "P&R" and few cops will disobey unlawful orders because it will risk their P&R.
So the state is going to milk every last dollar it can out of the milk cows (that's us). Honest people cannot work in a job like that. I know a lot of good people, many of them were once cops.
Definately this. _______________
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Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 04/09/2011 04:12:53
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia That the man can get arrested under our laws for this is what's absurd and outrageous.
The problem isn't that the arrest was illegal. It's that the arrest was legal.
1) This has nothing to do with what you quoted. Please edit out my comment asking about a specific statement made by someone else.
2) We haven't established that he can be arrested for it or not yet. It's entirely possible the police officer did something he's NOT allowed to do, not the defendant who recorded him. That's the point of the system. If he's not convicted you move on to things like wrongful arrest and suing for damages.
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Posted - 2011.09.04 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: VKhaun Vex Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 04/09/2011 04:10:50 Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 04/09/2011 04:09:50
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia That the man can get arrested under our laws for this is what's absurd and outrageous.
The problem isn't that the arrest was illegal. It's that the arrest was legal.
1) This has nothing to do with what you quoted. Please edit out my comment asking about a specific statement made by someone else.
2) We haven't established that he can be arrested for it or not yet. That's the point of the system. If he's not convicted you move on to things like wrongful arrest and suing for damages. It's entirely possible the police officer did something he's not allowed to do, not the defendant who recorded him.
I'm just going to go ahead and ask...
Are you trolling or does your brain actually run this way?
If I was you, even if I was serious I'd say I was trolling, just to save face.
"Quote:Nothing in EVE will ever require real life money, as long as players are selling PLEX for ISK. Not even the monocle! http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2011/currencyCycle.jpg "
wow omg I just saw your sig. Another one of these 'either the worst troll ever or the dumbest man on earth'
You and Forum Worrier should hook up, get some drinks, get in a ball game.
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Azelor Delaria
Caldari Error-404
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Posted - 2011.09.04 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: VKhaun Vex Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 02/09/2011 06:14:36 Another ******ed anti-police thread based on nothing.
WATCH YOUR OWN GOD DAMNED VIDEO
This guy is not in jail, and the prosecution has no case. The guy is going to end up winning a law suit. No system is perfect because no system is made up of perfect people. The cops did something stupid. Their friends are trying to cover. It's not going to fly. When he's in jail THEN you can make a thread throwing around ideas like constitutional or freedom of the press. Until then this is no different from any other court case.
I say the person who made this thread is a moron. He hasn't had his say back yet or a trial so I must be correct. Thats how this works right?
You would be surprised. Recently, Justice Kagan has said that when the Obamacare issue reaches the Supreme Court, she will not recuse herself despite having overseen much of it's defense in the lower courts. There is a clear conflict-of-interest, and sadly no one can make her recuse herself. Of course, that doesn't sotp her from saying Justice Thomas needs to recuse himself because of his wife being part of the Heritage Foundation or something like that.
Second, a Massachusetts District Court recently ruled that the police can not be granted immunity from press or videotaping. However, that only applies in Massachusetts. Other states can do as they please. ***** ***** ***** *****
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Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.09.04 09:28:00 -
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The next time you hear a policeman complaining about being filmed/recorded, just advise that that since they're innocent, they won't have anything to hide.
Then sit back and enjoy the fireworks.
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.09.04 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: VKhaun Vex Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 04/09/2011 03:23:52
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
He could be convicted because well he did break the law...(which is video taping or recording police is a felony)
We've articulated our points just fine and I'm not interested in beating a dead horse, but this is a pretty bold snippet.
Are you using the logic, that because he was wrongfully arrested by a cop and charged with eavesdropping in a case they haven't won and aren't likely to win to send him to jail for 75 years... that this makes it 'illegal' in your mind?
Or is there an actual law you can cite that makes it illegal to videotape or record police?
You do realize if it were illegal they would not need to try and charge him with something abstract like eavesdropping, right? They would just charge him with the actual offense of breaking that law... Though of course you might mean it's illegal somewhere else...
I'd love to know where there's a law directly against this and not some other pending court case you're assuming will result in tyranny and the end of all freedom.
You do know the eavesdropping law now includes videotaping/recording police without their consent...right? They haven't thought up some abstract legal plot because they couldn't get him for something else. (He hasnt done anything else.) He was arrested for videotaping police...which is ILLEGAL. It just falls under the "eavesdropping" law which they ratified a few months ago. Like they stated in the video he has 5 counts of illegally recording police without their consent...Which btw was done in a public place.
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VKhaun Vex
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Posted - 2011.09.05 08:43:00 -
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Originally by: Blacksquirrel
Originally by: VKhaun Vex Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 04/09/2011 03:23:52
Originally by: Blacksquirrel
He could be convicted because well he did break the law...(which is video taping or recording police is a felony)
We've articulated our points just fine and I'm not interested in beating a dead horse, but this is a pretty bold snippet.
Are you using the logic, that because he was wrongfully arrested by a cop and charged with eavesdropping in a case they haven't won and aren't likely to win to send him to jail for 75 years... that this makes it 'illegal' in your mind?
Or is there an actual law you can cite that makes it illegal to videotape or record police?
You do realize if it were illegal they would not need to try and charge him with something abstract like eavesdropping, right? They would just charge him with the actual offense of breaking that law... Though of course you might mean it's illegal somewhere else...
I'd love to know where there's a law directly against this and not some other pending court case you're assuming will result in tyranny and the end of all freedom.
You do know the eavesdropping law now includes videotaping/recording police without their consent...right? They haven't thought up some abstract legal plot because they couldn't get him for something else. (He hasnt done anything else.) He was arrested for videotaping police...which is ILLEGAL. It just falls under the "eavesdropping" law which they ratified a few months ago. Like they stated in the video he has 5 counts of illegally recording police without their consent...Which btw was done in a public place.
You have circumvented the entire point of your own post's video.
It is not illegal to video tape the police, and he is not charged with that.
He was wrongfully arrested by cops for video taping them, and they didn't do the right thing. Now it's a court case where they are trying to spin it as EAVESDROPPING (which is what they have charged him with rather than let him go.).
The OUTCOME OF THE CASE decides if it's legal, or illegal, and your own video says THE POLICE HAVE NO CASE.
If you want to make assumptions and take them this far that's really sad, but normal for the internet. It's mostly just strange to me that you assume the reverse of what's most likely going to happen according to your own sources.
Why do you think he'll be sent to prison for 77 years and it will become functionally illegal to video tape the police? What do you think they're going to say to a jury of other citizens that they'd make that decision?
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Posted - 2011.09.05 09:23:00 -
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Edited by: VKhaun Vex on 05/09/2011 09:24:39
Oops, double post while editing. That's what I get for posting and working at the same time...
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Jon Engel
Intaki Security and Intelligence Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2011.09.05 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jada Maroo Edited by: Jada Maroo on 01/09/2011 23:32:26
The people of Illinois need to overturn this law. And should the government resist or this man actually be sent to prison, frankly I'd cheer on any Illinois citizen who applies a "Second Amendment solution" to any official involved.
They *know* what they're doing is wrong. They *know* this is unconstitional and unjust. But because of pride and fear of public shame they refuse to apologize and instead push forward to imprison an innocent man.
This is the very definition of tyranny.
As an Illinois resident, who lives down state where we resent the overbearing control of the upstate crooks who control our lives. I'll tell you straight up, we don't give a **** anymore about anything. Voter turnout for the State legislature goes down every year. Nobody even votes for Senator or their representatives anymore. City and County elections are even more of a joke.
Throughout the state from northern tip to the Kentucky border we are just tired of pretending to believe we have a say in how we are taxed, or even treated by police. 5 families from Chicago control the State Legislature, and they always will and Cook County is full of morons who flock to the ballots and blindly check off whichever one of our Governors goes to prison periodically.
I am tired, we are tired. Illinois is just a damn cesspool of corruption, crime, and totalitarian laws which most of em would be struck down as an unconstitutional infringement on our rights as American citizens. But, the lobbyists and "community organizer groups" from blessed Cook county fight us everytime an Illinois Citizen attempts to take his rights back because some fast talking Democrat who just got out of prison for fraud tells them how to think.
**** it, **** this and **** people who don't live in Illinois and want to tell us what to do. There is no way for an Illinois Citizen to fight anything.
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Posted - 2011.09.05 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Marchocias on 05/09/2011 17:52:35 This really is astonishing.
The fact that in a western democracy, anyone might even THINK its reasonable to arrest someone for recording cops is amazing. The fact that enough people agree, that its actually possible prosecute for it, beggars belief. ---- I like the base. |
Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.09.06 01:58:00 -
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Edited by: Blacksquirrel on 06/09/2011 01:59:51 It's still technically illegal because of the audio portion of taping someone. Essentially you and I would argue over legal interpretation of http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/publicacts/fulltext.asp?Name=094-0183 So I dont see the point of arguing who's technically right in some forum **** wagging contest. You wanna be right... ok you're right...
http://gizmodo.com/5553765/are-cameras-the-new-guns
As of now if they ask you to stop (And you dont) or say you didnt tell them to begin with they can arrest you.
But you can still be arrested and go to trial... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/25/tiawanda-moore-acquitted-_n_936313.html
Yes she was acquitted... but she shouldnt have been arrested or gone to trial.
I dont care if I didnt originally state that in the first post... Oh well you got me for not elaborating... And if I am over reacting then the wise thing to do would have ignored the post in the first place no?
And for the hundredth time... It's BS that people are getting arrested and awaiting trial even if they can get off. People should not be arrested and have to go through months of nonsense for this.
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Olleybear
Minmatar I R' Carebear
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Posted - 2011.09.06 03:42:00 -
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The reason for laws like these:
You can't control and innocent man. You can however control a criminal.
By creating so many laws that noone has any idea how many there are, you create a nation full of criminals.
You can then control anyone in the nation that gets out of line, including someone else in power.
This is the reason laws like this exist. It is deliberate and has been happening for thousands of years.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.09.06 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia
Originally by: Taedrin
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
Rule of Law is vacated
Not to get off topic here, but the "Rule of Law" specifically refers to the government having to obey it's own laws. I.E. the king/queen of a monarchy can't make it illegal to smoke weed, and then go and do it themselves.
It has nothing to do with governments making stupid or unfair laws, so long as those laws are obeyed by those who govern.
Rule of law is just that: law rules. Everyone. Not just the leaders, everyone.
I think you missed the point? It has nothing to do with stupid laws, it has to do with some laws being selectively enforced on some groups while other laws are not enforced at all.
It makes justice everything but. As policy it effectively undermines if not invalidates the authority of the Justice Department and makes a mockery of the entire system.
Just business as usual for the United Corporations of America.
Actually, I see your point now. There is virtually no difference between a monarch believing that the law does not apply to him, and a government which simply ignores the law/looks the other way selectively.
Try this angle:
The letter of a law kills. The spirit of a law saves.
Apply this to any of your favorite legal sub-topic (land rights, self defense, drugs use, etc).
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VKhaun Vex
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Posted - 2011.09.08 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
The letter of a law kills. The spirit of a law saves.
Nice. I'm going to use that.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.09.08 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Olleybear The reason for laws like these:
You can't control and innocent man. You can however control a criminal.
By creating so many laws that noone has any idea how many there are, you create a nation full of criminals.
You can then control anyone in the nation that gets out of line, including someone else in power.
This is the reason laws like this exist. It is deliberate and has been happening for thousands of years.
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Eolithic WithaTwist
Caldari Science and Trade Institute
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Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Did not a US court just rule that filming police was in the OK?
Regardless, it just goes to show what kind of police state US has become, or is trying to be.
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