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Mikelangelo
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Posted - 2005.03.06 08:34:00 -
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That sux.
M. Corp's service was very useful. Good bunch of guys and gals.
I agree with you 100%. Labs costing 2 mil per 5 days is ridiculous. If people with as much money and interest in maintaining this business model CANT make it work, how is a little guy with a lab or two supposed to make it work?
Where are the lab slot modules for POS CCP?? I'd rather pay maintenance and fuel for my own POS then pay overpriced lab rent and office rent.
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Kal Atraides
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Posted - 2005.03.08 22:51:00 -
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I know we here at USAC are sad to see you go. MCorp has provided our BPC`s since day 1. 
>currently training to level 5: Mad Scotsman Manuvering  / Rank 8 /
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Kayosoni
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Posted - 2005.03.09 05:25:00 -
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It's not like this is going to make lab slot prices decrease. They'll just keep going up and up... until they are around 25m to rent and then... 
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TotensBurntCorpse
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Posted - 2005.03.09 18:35:00 -
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If you follow supply and demand. It would seem that the BPC market is now flooded, else the sale value of BPCs should increase across the board by all producers as they all feel the same inflationary market pressures.
The only other option is that other BPC sellers are either producing at a cost advantage or are selling at a loss.
Losers - Those that cannot adapt to the market pressures
Winners - Those that adapt or are willing to pay the inflated pricing
IMHO the ppl out there with already researched BPOs should now be considering either selling off assets or starting manufacturing. I know of at least one individual who is making tidy sums running his BPO with purchase orders of minerals in high security empire space. He by default has others mine for him (at a profit for the miners) and then manufactures from those minerals (at a profit for himself). The end result is inflated pricing on goods, which reflects the new market dynamic. Is this really a bad thing?
In the end it would appear that progressive lab rentals is working for the goal of freeing up lab slots. At some point ppl will actually begin to consider NOT renting slots based upon the current rents at that site vs the value of extra ME or BPCs being generated.
The end result from this will be stabilization of lab rents at a new but elevated level, resulting in a new stabilization of the market.
Velios I am quite sure that you can continue to produce as long as your cost models now reflect inflated lab slot pricings (as I know they now do having purchased some BPC packs myself from your corp).
At some point, low end BPOs may actually become attractive at ME 0 vs the costs of the run up of ME levels, let alone the costs of BPC production.
Corps who currently have high end ME level BPOs are in a very profitable position for either manufacture or BPC production vs noobs such as myself. As noobs such as myself have to bear the dual burden of competing with already high ME BPOs and thus BPCs vs running up my own BPOs.
I guess in the end those ppl who already have high end ME level prints have a decided advantage over noobs and under the current inflationary methods always will from now on.
BUT one has to admit that progressive rental increases will force the end to unlimited ME level runs of "bookmarking" prints to hold lab slots.
The next big question is where will lab rentals stabilize vs market demand. My guess would be about 3-4mil in empire high sec and 2-3mil in lower sec areas. At that point only high value (ie high mineral use prints) will be worth running to any appreciable level of ME.
PS those who now have ME 347 S Hybrid ammo prints you can now own the ammo market if you want  .
As an aside our 9 labs (5 found in the last two weeks from rental lapses due to pricing i assume - 4 others found over 8 months), are all running up ship prints from FF to BC, with a BB to be added soon. I would expect the only way we will make our investments back (@ 500 million) will be by production, as the other prints out there have higher ME than ours and the market is flooded with prints that we cannot compete with for sales. So I as a small timer see exactly what velios refers to. Our escape plan will be manufacturing.
Velios if your looking to unload some assets PM me in game, if not hold onto them and wait for the markets to stabilize.
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Rodge
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Posted - 2005.03.10 06:31:00 -
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Sorry to hear about the business Vel.
There are still labs out there that are remarkably cheap (weekly rent < 10,000 isk and falling at the minute). Might be a bit of a risk moving your BS BPOs there though, but that's the essence of risk vs reward. 
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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WhiteWitch
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Posted - 2005.03.10 10:10:00 -
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lol the price will only fall when its at price that is tooooo expensive to rent it ...as the slots need to be free for 24hrs for any major decrease in price and as they are getting let go more ppl are taking them up.. so sry see u guys go and ccp this was sucky idea fo rent increase all it has done is insure more ppl dont get chance at getting lab cos by the time it comes to them getting one they cant afford it any way pfft nice idea plz take it stick it were it should belong in ur bottom drawer of the desk ;P kiss kiss 
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2005.03.10 14:25:00 -
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? Labslots increase because people use them as intended? geez and i was thinking all the time that they increased in price for senseless research to stop (as in shuttle bpo's with me: 1000000)
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Heero Yuy
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Posted - 2005.03.11 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: Heero Yuy on 11/03/2005 12:59:55
It is a major shame to see Mcorp stopping what they are good at.....
Could Mcorp not adapt and simply change the packages they offer? I.e simply flood the market with cheaper bpc rather than huge package deals? |
Bad Andy
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Posted - 2005.03.11 14:54:00 -
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Sorry to see the service go. Had a couple of deals that really helped my corp get on their feet. It was affordable, good service. But I guess that's the way of change. Ahh well.
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Zigadenus
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Posted - 2005.03.11 22:46:00 -
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M. Corp chose the option of not passing what seems to us to be ridiculous prices on to our most valuable asset, our customers. Rest assured M. Corp can and will adapt to the current lab slot pricing structures and market atmosphere. We will not be liquidating our assets. We are investigating production options but this has never been our core market and it will take time to make a conversion should we decide to build this into our business. Please do keep us in mind for future BPC business.
As Vel stated, the current trend in Eve (despite good intentions) seems to be towards requiring the attention and time of a RL job as opposed to a game to which you come home for relaxation and entertainment. At least that is how we are being affected. This may be good or bad depending on your personal taste and objectives. If the market factors become more favorable, I'm confident we will be offering our second-to-none product once again to many happy customers. The same applies to any alternative entrepreneurial endeavors, such as production, that we may embark upon.
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Jags
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Posted - 2005.03.12 11:38:00 -
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As Zig has said we are not totally finished yet , we still have plenty of BPCs for sale , pop into the channel and get the deal of a lifetime as we clear out our old stocks before doing something new and improved :D
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Kakita Jalaan
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Posted - 2005.03.12 20:03:00 -
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 Originally by: JAckmeoff
Edited by: JAckmeoff on 03/03/2005 22:45:19
Edited by: JAckmeoff on 03/03/2005 22:42:32
On second thoughts, M.Corp have decided to retract our previous statement, our BPC sales will remain throughout the Eve universe and we will not be releasing any of our labslots too any of you haters/monkeys/tossers, so up yours _I_
JAck(Carebear Alt of Theeta)
Thanks for that post. Choke on exponential growth. *Evil laugh*
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Blydchyld
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Posted - 2005.03.14 11:41:00 -
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its a damn shame so it is...
BTW (i know this isnt the trade section, but i bet that you still read it) still havent recived a eve-mail or contact from any of you guys regarding a copy of your BPC's.
PLEASE continue your good customer service and actualy contact me eh?
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Velios
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Posted - 2005.03.14 14:42:00 -
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Just would like to say that due to severe beatings from corp members and customers alike, M.Corp is continuing it's business at full steam. Sure, prices have to rise... I dislike this fact a lot, but I have been told by all that the package still represents fantastic value for isk even at the new price point.
We will continue to offer our product for as long as possible, so get your bums in the MCORP_BPCS channel for the deal of a lifetime. |
Velios
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Posted - 2005.03.14 14:46:00 -
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Blydchyld, can you please remind me of what it was you wanted agaon please? there may have been a comms error or your mail may have been accidentally deleted. Many thanks. |
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