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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
94
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Posted - 2012.09.27 12:33:00 -
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...now i hope typhoon is next also OP get lost! "it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again" |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
642
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Posted - 2012.09.27 13:07:00 -
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Disagree. The minmatar cosmetic improvements are the only good thing CCP is doing right now. Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient. Nerf it cause I can't fly it. I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
3
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Posted - 2012.09.27 13:12:00 -
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I agree with everything except 'most ugliest.' I won't correct you except implicitly, but 'most ugliest' makes me cringe. |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
643
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Posted - 2012.09.27 13:24:00 -
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I like the old vaga/stabber. I love the new vaga/stabber. Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient. Nerf it cause I can't fly it. I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Johnny Bloomington
Justified Chaos
8
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Posted - 2012.09.27 19:52:00 -
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I'm glad CCP's redoing these Minmatar ships! Caldari(moa) ships need work too. Both races make the game look dated. Gallente and Amarr ships looks like their standing the test of time. |
Wolf Kruol
Sinisenkuun Laguuni GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
20
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Posted - 2012.09.27 20:23:00 -
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ISD TYPE40 wrote:Thread cleared of some random off topic stuff, try and keep on topic in peoples threads in future.
On topic, I love the redesigned Minmatar hulls. The Tempest no longer looks like a head on collision between two scrap metal delivery trucks and the little Vagabond got it's frilly bit back and then some. And after all these years, after all that the Minmatar people have been through and achieved, it should not be any surprise they are going back over their hulls and revamping them. I hope that there description reflects there new hull designs. That minmatar fleets are refitting there ships to newer updated hull designs.
GÇ£If you're very very stupid? How can you possibly realize you're very very stupid?
You have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you really are!GÇ¥ |
Heribeck Weathers
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
9
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Posted - 2012.09.27 21:02:00 -
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I like all the new mimi hulls, tho i will reach out and offer soem sympathy to the old mimi hull lovers, there once was a ship called the Sacralidge, and it looked like a armored tick, and i loved it, then they got some Caldari mechanics to redesign it, now while it looks ok, its lost its badash factor |
Apoctasy
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.09.27 22:56:00 -
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I absolutely agree with the OP on this. Why is CCP making minmatar ships actually look functional? I WANT TO FLY JUNK SHIPS.
My main ships are Stabber and Vagabond, and I'm so very disappointed by the new models; They look so uncharacteristically minmatar |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1605
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Posted - 2012.09.27 23:04:00 -
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OP is a luddite.
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
132
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Posted - 2012.09.27 23:09:00 -
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As someone who has been a Minmatar fan since 2003, I'm very glad for the changes and modernisation.
My one urge of caution for you is that you appear to be basing your opinion on Concept artwork and an un-textured ship model. No point geting too bent out of shape until you've seen what it looks like properly. ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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gulftobay
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
109
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Posted - 2012.10.02 01:12:00 -
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I appreciate your thoughts Suvetar that these are preliminary and not yet textured, but the concern is that the next thing we will see is the final product. For that reason I think reasonable feedback within that context is appropriate.
I didn't see links for the very preliminary rendered tempest in this thread yet:
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l242/dgreene38/2012.09.19.21.44.04_zps12365923.jpg
http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l242/dgreene38/2012.09.19.21.44.09_zpsd8680961.jpg
Ignoring the textures, in my mind it appears too 'squat' as if it got squished - needs more top wingy bits at the least.
And agreeing with OP, I hope minmatar ships never lose their distinctive appearance, rust and all. |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
679
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Posted - 2012.10.02 01:51:00 -
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So happy with all the new models. Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient. Nerf it cause I can't fly it. I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Shaera Taam
Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
42
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Posted - 2012.10.02 04:42:00 -
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stay offa my ssssexy new stabber/vagabond!
Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess! |
luZk
x13
73
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Posted - 2012.10.02 04:59:00 -
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Dont touch the Hurricane CCP, its an EVE online ICON and still to this day the coolest looking ship imo. |
Bunnie Hop
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
370
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Posted - 2012.10.02 05:08:00 -
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I love the direction the new Minny ships are headed. Rusted looking spaceships were always bemusing. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1769
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Posted - 2012.10.02 07:06:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Wu Jiaqiu wrote:The current Tempest is beautiful **** you. I fell in love with the concept of cheaply thrown together spaceships. The Tempest? That piece of **** looks like some Matar engineers in a hurry, had to cut off a piece of an equally ugly station and stick some guns on it because there was no time for design. And it's perfect. The Stabber seems like the entire core was centered off a structure pillar and I'm fine with that. Why is everyone obsessed with making Minmatars look more futuristic akin to the Amarr or Gallente? The Minmatar is supposed to be the least advanced. The look rugged scrap look goes well with it. The Maelstrom is the most ugliest ship I've ever seen for the Minmatar. In rust I trust. Sorry man but the rustbucket least advanced argument doesn't really work anymore. Its been generations since the Minmatar rebellion, a time when ships were crudely made and primitive due to resource shortages and lack of skilled personel, that time has long since passed, and the Sebiestor are supposed to be some of the greatest engineers in the cluster, isn't it about time Minmatar ships began to reflect that? Also roleplay reasons aside, all those antennae sticking off the old hulls alias like crazy, I'm glad CCP has abandoned those in the modernized designs, overall the new textures are much smoother looking, well done CCP.
I was thinking this when I read the OP. Sure the Minmatar would have, in their early days, throw stuff together. But such technical prowess is not static. The kinds of people who can do that will improve on their designs because they know the shortcomings of the original and because they would apply the same tenacious engineering concepts to the improvement.
Going with the spirit of Minmatar concept approaches, their ships should be a hybrid of old and new. Of all the races, their ships should be the ones to change more often.
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Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
58
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Posted - 2012.10.02 08:14:00 -
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He mad.
u not likes Minmatar gaining power? u not likes Minmatar in your base killing ur doods? HTFU
so far the re-modeling of the Stabber, Vagabond and Tempest are very good IMO. if there's anything you should hate, it's the tier 2 Minny destroyer. |
Oberine Noriepa
931
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Posted - 2012.10.02 08:20:00 -
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I like the new models. |
Elistea
BLUE Regiment.
97
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Posted - 2012.10.02 08:24:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Wu Jiaqiu wrote:The current Tempest is beautiful **** you. I fell in love with the concept of cheaply thrown together spaceships. The Tempest? That piece of **** looks like some Matar engineers in a hurry, had to cut off a piece of an equally ugly station and stick some guns on it because there was no time for design. And it's perfect. The Stabber seems like the entire core was centered off a structure pillar and I'm fine with that. Why is everyone obsessed with making Minmatars look more futuristic akin to the Amarr or Gallente? The Minmatar is supposed to be the least advanced. The look rugged scrap look goes well with it. The Maelstrom is the most ugliest ship I've ever seen for the Minmatar. In rust I trust. Sorry man but the rustbucket least advanced argument doesn't really work anymore. Its been generations since the Minmatar rebellion, a time when ships were crudely made and primitive due to resource shortages and lack of skilled personel, that time has long since passed, and the Sebiestor are supposed to be some of the greatest engineers in the cluster, isn't it about time Minmatar ships began to reflect that? Also roleplay reasons aside, all those antennae sticking off the old hulls alias like crazy, I'm glad CCP has abandoned those in the modernized designs, overall the new textures are much smoother looking, well done CCP.
That. |
Mara Rinn
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
1879
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Posted - 2012.10.02 08:32:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Wu Jiaqiu wrote:The current Tempest is beautiful **** you.
I fell in love with the concept of cheaply thrown together spaceships. Sorry man but the rustbucket least advanced argument doesn't really work anymore. Its been generations since the Minmatar rebellion, a time when ships were crudely made and primitive due to resource shortages and lack of skilled personel, that time has long since passed, and the Sebiestor are supposed to be some of the greatest engineers in the cluster, isn't it about time Minmatar ships began to reflect that?
The Sebestior are the bet engineers in the cluster. This is reflected in the way they manage to turn the support strut for a freighter's cargo bay into the fastest standard cruiser in space. These ships are not simply thrown together: they are very deliberately built to perform a function. The Minmatar don't have time and resources to waste on diminishing the efficiency of their designs by bolting on great big shiny metal plates, or worse yet moving bits of the ship around to cater to aesthetic sensibilities.
I appreciate that after a hundred years we have finally found the time to polish some of these designs. Still thoroughly engineered to be the highest performance vehicles in space, but now with finesse Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
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Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
187
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Posted - 2012.10.02 09:15:00 -
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As I see it, there's too much "out with the old, in with the new" going on in regards to ship designs, textures and whatnot. It's like the people working on it never really bothered looking into the original design language. Minnie ships should be reddish, not brown. Amarr ships should be golden, not brown. Amat victoria curam. |
Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
59
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Posted - 2012.10.03 03:49:00 -
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Vilnius Zar wrote:As I see it, there's too much "out with the old, in with the new" going on in regards to ship designs, textures and whatnot. It's like the people working on it never really bothered looking into the original design language. Minnie ships should be reddish, not brown. Amarr ships should be golden, not brown.
and Duvolle Labs(Gallente T2) should not be brown also. Lime Green Deimos / Green Thrust Trails. GIMME. |
Burhtun
Pacific Mining and Manufacturing Co-operative Nox Draconum
36
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Posted - 2012.10.03 04:17:00 -
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The 'modernization' or solidifying of Minmatar ships started with the Hurricane and the carriers in my opinion, and those are some of the best looking ships in the game... As is the Tornado, though I preferred it when it was a darker brown and had gray metallic fins instead of blue solar panels. The Hound is also great at a model level, my favorite of the bomber redesigns, but again I preferred it when it was dark brown. The camo makes a mess of it. The new Stabber concept art looks great, and I'm still not sure how I feel about the Tempest. Overall I like CCP's direction for Minmatar. For me, aside from the camo and beige skins, the only missteps have been the Reaper and the new destroyer. |
Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
199
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Posted - 2012.10.07 11:01:00 -
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Minmatar are just Klingons with sunglasses and halter-tops (females)... they should fly ships that look cool... the new models look cool, look Minmatar and look like they mean business... and they have rust, just like klingon ships do.
Klap-lah (or whatever it is) to the Kling-matars (or is it Minma-gons?) and the new Tribal Fleet for which they stand, one vagabond, finned again, for use in pvp and blowing up for all...ahem and so mode it be and stuff...
Look at all the Macks in local...impressive... very impressive... I see you have fashioned a new exhumer... much like you father's... your skills as a miner are now complete...indeed you are powerful as CCP Devs have foreseen... |
Liafcipe9000
Smeghead Empire
70
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Posted - 2012.10.07 12:10:00 -
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Aurelius Valentius wrote:Minmatar are just Klingons with sunglasses and halter-tops (females)... they should fly ships that look cool... the new models look cool, look Minmatar and look like they mean business... and they have rust, just like klingon ships do. Klap-lah (or whatever it is) to the Kling-matars (or is it Minma-gons?) and the new Tribal Fleet for which they stand, one vagabond, finned again, for use in pvp and blowing up for all...ahem and so mode it be and stuff... wha...? |
Weiland Taur
Ceptic Innovations Rebel Alliance of New Eden
99
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Posted - 2012.10.07 12:29:00 -
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I think it was in Clear Skies 2 that they make the great observation that when the Minmatar aren't running for their lives they can build some pretty awesome vessels, the Maelstrom being the example. The new destroyer of course not being an example of anything other than a designer working through a really bad hangover.
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
775
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Posted - 2012.10.07 12:36:00 -
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Grumpymunky wrote:Does the new more solid appearance come with an increase in hitpoints?
They just changed tape provider, stronger fixing thus more solid appearance but it's still tape. brb |
Owner1333
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.10.07 13:33:00 -
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Current minnie hulls aren't the problem, textures are.
Rifter - looking awesome, sharp textures.
Vagabond - just fire whoever designed these silly 'urban camo' textures for minnie ships, they look dreadful and have absolutely no place in space. Same goes for sleipnir. I just cringe whenever I see either ship. Continues with Navy Stabber/phoon etc... just disgusting.
Tempest - hull is OK, textures are bat **** horrible. Needs a rework to be as crisp as the current rifter. Right now it looks like some 9 year old had his first day with paint.
Hurricane - again, fire the person who coined up the idea to make the cane textures look like diarrhea. Just horrible, even the textures are low quality, it almost looks like the ship surface is blurred.
Hound - fire whoever designed/textured it, has no future in visual art.
If you need help grasping how minnie ships should look like, take a good long hard look at the current Naglfar or Hel - that's the texture you want to have on most minnie ships.
This is not even touching Caldari ships, with abominations such as harpy or vulture (that look like someone spray painted golden 'bling' on half the ship). You guys SERIOUSLY need a new visual lead, or the one(s) in charge need to get their act together.
And please, for the love of god, whoever designed the concept art for the new Amarr destroyer, fire him. That turd looks like an elongated purifier, which says something to me about a serious lack of imagination as an artist.
Seriously, if it's this hard (and slow), to rework the ships visually, I can find random people in the internet, in a month, who will do a better job in only a fraction of the time. |
Robert Warner
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
52
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Posted - 2012.10.07 17:24:00 -
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Simply because Minmatar hulls are intended to be a bit more rugged doesn't imply that they should be made from 3 polygons.
I for one would like to see updates to a broad range of ships in this game to bring their model complexity up to 2012. |
Stegas Tyrano
GLU CANU Open Space Consultancy
7
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Posted - 2012.10.07 19:29:00 -
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They should keep the old models and let people buy and make the new and the old. |
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