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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2012.09.28 18:03:00 -
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The Bazzalisk wrote:Me reacting negatively to a bad game mechanic doesn't make it a good game mechanic. You, and only you, reacting negatively to a game mechanic doesn't make it a bad game mechanic. It does, however, make you bad. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
The Bazzalisk
Teshnology Inc. Stealth Wear Inc.
21
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Posted - 2012.09.28 18:05:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:The Bazzalisk wrote:Me reacting negatively to a bad game mechanic doesn't make it a good game mechanic. You, and only you, reacting negatively to a game mechanic doesn't make it a bad game mechanic. It does, however, make you bad. I have reasoned why it is bad. I am yet to see a solid rebuttal that is relevant to my case.
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Ashterothi
Aideron Robotics
35
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Posted - 2012.09.28 18:09:00 -
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I do believe a dev posted a rebuttle, but what do they know right? |
Johnny Bloomington
Justified Chaos
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Posted - 2012.09.28 18:10:00 -
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Just have Sansha attempt to invade Jove only to get their @$$ kicked like the Amarr! History repeating.... |
The Bazzalisk
Teshnology Inc. Stealth Wear Inc.
21
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Posted - 2012.09.28 18:10:00 -
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Ashterothi wrote:I do believe a dev posted a rebuttle, but what do they know right? Which I responded to. Perhaps you should read it and see why what he posted was not helpful.
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Ashterothi
Aideron Robotics
35
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Posted - 2012.09.28 18:14:00 -
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You post: Sansha incursions should not get in my way Dev responce: Sansha incursions are desinged to be an inconvienance to those inside the incusion. Just be glad we didn't do it in high sec like I wanted Your responce: LALALA I'M NOT LISTNING YOUR RESPONCE IS INVALID MY HAIR IS A BIRD LALALA.
Don't worry, I read it. I wonder if you did :) |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1641
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Posted - 2012.09.28 18:14:00 -
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The Bazzalisk wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:The Bazzalisk wrote:Me reacting negatively to a bad game mechanic doesn't make it a good game mechanic. You, and only you, reacting negatively to a game mechanic doesn't make it a bad game mechanic. It does, however, make you bad. I have reasoned why it is bad. I am yet to see a solid rebuttal that is relevant to my case. Multiple people, including myself, have posted solutions and advice on how to get around, which you just dismissed with the equivalent of "no but the mechanic is bad, guys" or just ignored entirely.
We then resorted to derision. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
560
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Posted - 2012.09.28 18:39:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote: Treat the incursion rats as if they were player ships. Fly a frigate or cruiser, or fly your pod. Sansha very rarely catch frigates, cruisers can tank it and are fast enough to jump back through, and NPCs do not fire on pods. Alternatively, MWD/cloak your ship. Another solution: get some friends and fight the incursion.
Seriously, whining about incursion rats "breaking" your constellation is as bad as whining about the Heretics camping Amamake, or smartbomb camps on the way to Jita. Or, if you want NPC-related whine examples of equal badditude: whining about rat DPS not allowing easy solo mining in nullsec or gravimetric sites, Ewar rats shutting you down in a mission, etc.
All of these problems have very simple solutions, and I doubt the forum community will sympathize much with you on this.
(BTW, PvP in incursion areas is great, if you can find targets)
Quick FYI.... the nastier Incursion gate camps will easily catch an agile fleet inty before it can cold warp. Most don't but some are just downright insane...
In nullsec, I've lost a nano-ares that couldn't cold-warp prior to being tackled, and I've lost Drakes that get obliterated before they can power back to gate! It makes incursion systems something you actually need to pay attention too... which is a GOOD thing!! |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
560
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Posted - 2012.09.28 18:42:00 -
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The Bazzalisk wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: And all over an enyo lol.
The Enyo isn't the point. It was an 80m Enyo, but that's not much and financially I don't really care about the loss. My issue is that pretty much anything without a cloak or fleet without it is limited to just one system. If an Enyo can't get through, what chance does anything bigger have? 'Minimal' is the answer you're looking for.
You know, you can kill the rats right? |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
268
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Posted - 2012.09.28 19:44:00 -
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The Bazzalisk wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:The Bazzalisk wrote:Me reacting negatively to a bad game mechanic doesn't make it a good game mechanic. You, and only you, reacting negatively to a game mechanic doesn't make it a bad game mechanic. It does, however, make you bad. I have reasoned why it is bad. I am yet to see a solid rebuttal that is relevant to my case.
That's incorrect, there have been plenty of reasoned responses demonstrating what what you are complaining about isn't worth consideration. That you've refused to listen is not the same thing as you are right.
Notice the very little support you are getting ie none.
Notice the various alternatives people have offered you that you have rejected because they would somehow take effort.
A wiser person would at this point come to the conclusion that what happened to them (you) is regrettable, but ultimately all a part of the the game. A Part that is NEVER going to change because no one but you dislikes it (which is why it's incredible that you still hold to your incorrect opinion in the matter, even if you were right, which you aren't, it's still not ever going to change).
But by all means, keep banging your head against a brick wall, it's fun (if sad) to watch. If you think and act this way IRL i'd bet you have a seriously hard time maintaining healthy relationships with people.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2456
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Posted - 2012.09.28 19:48:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:The Bazzalisk wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: And all over an enyo lol.
The Enyo isn't the point. It was an 80m Enyo, but that's not much and financially I don't really care about the loss. My issue is that pretty much anything without a cloak or fleet without it is limited to just one system. If an Enyo can't get through, what chance does anything bigger have? 'Minimal' is the answer you're looking for. You know, you can kill the rats right?
That would require effort, and possibly working with others. "shudder"
It's much easier to complain that his Enyo can't survive in a low sec Incursion area even though his "target" (which was anything he felt confident in engaging with said Enyo) apparently has no problem at all.
The longer this nonsense thread goes on, the more obvious the troll is. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9610
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Posted - 2012.09.28 20:19:00 -
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The Bazzalisk wrote:Did this Nomad camp have pointing rats? I wouldn't know. I was through the constellation without any of them ever bothering to lock onGǪ but again GÇö nullsec incursion being a bit more difficult might make all the difference.
It was particularly silly back when incursions were released on the test server, and you had to stick around for a while to get them to engage so you could record some data about their attacks.
Quote:My exploded Enyo would like to have a word. I have a word or four for it as well: GÇ£don't stick aroundGÇ¥.
Quote:Pick a different route. Yes. If he managed to get in somehow, then so can you. Figure out which way he took and use it. Don't use the route where you dozed off for long enough to lose your gate cloak. You suggested that there was another route that he might have taken. I'm suggesting you follow his example.
The simple fact is this: he managed to do something you couldn't. Regardless of the mechanic involved, this means he beat you. Your loss was inevitable and just so happened to be at the hands of an NPC GÇö a death you could have avoided. Your failure to play the game as well as he did does not constitute a problem with the game mechanics.
Quote:Me reacting negatively to a bad game mechanic doesn't make it a good game mechanic. True. What we have in this case, though, is you reacting badly to a good game mechanic, which in much the same vein doesn't make it a bad mechanic, no matter how much you wish you could use it as an excuse. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Jonah Gravenstein
1426
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Posted - 2012.09.28 22:02:00 -
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Bumping this back to the top because everybody deserves to share the OPs drops of saline solution. CCP can't patch stupid. |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
607
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Posted - 2012.09.28 22:07:00 -
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Seeing as we've had numerous responses to this thread (including a dev answer!), and that we're now just arguing without going anywhere, I'll be locking it. Fly well when going through dangerous space. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Lieutenant Community Communication Liasions (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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