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Newt BlackCompany
New United Europian Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.09.28 13:01:00 -
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Ok, I'm a newbie.
However, i like the Amarr battlecruiser, Harbinger, and I want one. I can't fly it yet, but I still want one.
Problem is, it costs 50M isk, and I have 10M. It'll probably cost another 50M to ideally outfit it.
So, how can I make the needed 100M isk quickly?
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Tao Dolcino
Twilight Labs Unsung Voices
7
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Posted - 2012.09.28 13:07:00 -
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You will probably hate what i will tell you but this is a very very bad idea : never forget the one rule of EVE : don't fly what you can't afford to lose ! Don't think in terms of what you buy, just think in terms of what you lose. At your level you can lose a cruiser, nothing more expensive. Really |
Robert De'Arneth
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Posted - 2012.09.28 13:08:00 -
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Newt BlackCompany wrote:Ok, I'm a newbie.
However, i like the Amarr battlecruiser, Harbinger, and I want one. I can't fly it yet, but I still want one.
Problem is, it costs 50M isk, and I have 10M. It'll probably cost another 50M to ideally outfit it.
So, how can I make the needed 100M isk quickly?
Well depends on your skill set really, you can try ratting in low sec, you could mine, you could trade. Where your skills lie, is where your path to isk lies.
If you are new, you should know there is a big differance between flying a new shiny ship and being able to use that new shiny ship.
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Newt BlackCompany
New United Europian Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.09.28 13:12:00 -
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Tao Dolcino wrote:You will probably hate what i will tell you but this is a very very bad idea : never forget the one rule of EVE : don't fly what you can't afford to lose ! Don't think in terms of what you buy, just think in terms of what you lose. At your level you can lose a cruiser, nothing more expensive. Really
Good advice. But that just means I need 200M isk. :)
Right now, I'm doing level 1 rat missions and gathering maybe 2M an hour in rewards and loot (if I don't get bored and if I can sell the loot at a good price).
I'm planning to get a cruiser, probably the Maller, soon and use it for level 2 rat missions.
Any suggestions on faster methods?
Note, I tried mining, and after 3 hours of shooting rocks, had 750k isk-worth of ore. Bleh.
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Robert De'Arneth
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Posted - 2012.09.28 13:16:00 -
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Newt BlackCompany wrote:Tao Dolcino wrote:You will probably hate what i will tell you but this is a very very bad idea : never forget the one rule of EVE : don't fly what you can't afford to lose ! Don't think in terms of what you buy, just think in terms of what you lose. At your level you can lose a cruiser, nothing more expensive. Really Good advice. But that just means I need 200M isk. :) Right now, I'm doing level 1 rat missions and gathering maybe 2M an hour in rewards and loot (if I don't get bored and if I can sell the loot at a good price). I'm planning to get a cruiser, probably the Maller, soon and use it for level 2 rat missions. Any suggestions on faster methods? Note, I tried mining, and after 3 hours of shooting rocks, had 750k isk-worth of ore. Bleh.
Well no matter what you do to make isk you need skills, but you want to mission, so there are few things that can help.
Social skills, Social, Connections and look over a few others that boosy lp and isk. Take Social and connections to 3 ASAP, this should unless you went crazy somewhere, allow you to by pass level 1 missions. That alone will up your income by a whole bunch. |
Newt BlackCompany
New United Europian Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.09.28 13:24:00 -
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Ok, I already have level 3 social, connections, and negotiations. I'll look and see if there's any more similar skills.
Yes, I can already skip level 1 missions, but without a cruiser, they take more time and more repairs than I like.
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Jim Era
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Posted - 2012.09.28 14:10:00 -
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When you can do L3 missions in a Maller then you should have enough skills to fly a bc/bs.
I still haven't flown one due to my utter incompetence. |
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
238
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Posted - 2012.09.28 14:11:00 -
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Newt BlackCompany wrote:Ok, I already have level 3 social, connections, and negotiations. I'll look and see if there's any more similar skills.
Yes, I can already skip level 1 missions, but without a cruiser, they take more time and more repairs than I like.
Have a look at destroyers Everytime you dont like my comments/posts the terrorists win and your a disgrace to your country. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
171
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Posted - 2012.09.28 14:13:00 -
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Market a piece of Carbon as a Charon and see if you can see it for 1,500,000,000 |
Newt BlackCompany
New United Europian Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.09.28 14:22:00 -
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lol.
oh, and for the previous poster, I currently, primarily, run a destroyer (coercer). It's super for level 1, but a bit weak for level 2 with my skills. |
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Robert De'Arneth
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Posted - 2012.09.28 14:26:00 -
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Newt BlackCompany wrote:lol.
oh, and for the previous poster, I currently, primarily, run a destroyer (coercer). It's super for level 1, but a bit weak for level 2 with my skills.
Well I am not sure who you have in your corp, slap myslef for not thinking of this earlier, but if you have someone in your corp who can runs level 4's. fleet up and you will be ok on ISK and LP. If you do not have that help in your corp, then you may want to look for one that is more active, or more helpful. |
Inner African
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:20:00 -
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If you can rustle-up $35 (US) buy two PLEX and sell them in-game for about 1 billion isk. Can you dig it? |
J'Poll
Pioneer's of the Galantic Wars Ethereal Dawn
431
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:38:00 -
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Newt BlackCompany wrote:Tao Dolcino wrote:You will probably hate what i will tell you but this is a very very bad idea : never forget the one rule of EVE : don't fly what you can't afford to lose ! Don't think in terms of what you buy, just think in terms of what you lose. At your level you can lose a cruiser, nothing more expensive. Really Good advice. But that just means I need 200M isk. :)Right now, I'm doing level 1 rat missions and gathering maybe 2M an hour in rewards and loot (if I don't get bored and if I can sell the loot at a good price). I'm planning to get a cruiser, probably the Maller, soon and use it for level 2 rat missions. Any suggestions on faster methods? Note, I tried mining, and after 3 hours of shooting rocks, had 750k isk-worth of ore. Bleh.
In response to bold italic part:
Not 100% true
Don't fly what you can't afford to loose
IS NOT THE SAME AS
Don't fly what you can't afford to replace.
The difference:
I have ships and fits that IF I loose them, I won't by far be able to rebuy them at this point. Yet I undock and use them, I just agree with the risk it involves. If I lost one, too bad, I knew the risk and took it. All my fault.
So if you have 100mil (which I doubt a fully fitted cruiser will cost) and you buy/fit your cruiser. Undock it, but only if you are fine with the risk of loosing it and having to do a step backwards if it happens.
Also: Why buy a ship that you can't fly yet. Your opinion may change and you would have wasted ISK on something you don't use. It's l like a 1 day old character buying a carrier just cause eventually he will fly one, it's not needed. Inject your skillbook before you leave the station. Neo didnGÇÖt learn Kung-Fu by having it sit in his usb drive.-á If it moves, shoot it. If it doesn't move, poke it with your gun and then shoot it. We are not running, we are advancing in the opposite direction |
Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:19:00 -
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I love new players :) Harbingers are kick-ass aren't they :D
Try not to cry when you lose it or miss out on any fun because you don't want to risk it. Aside from that if u play the game for shiny ships, fly em. If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if i'm online. BUDDY TRIALS AVAILABLE - 21days plus big ISK bonus and starting assistance |
shah Khan
The Chillout Company
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Posted - 2012.09.28 22:12:00 -
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Harbies are great :)
I fly them a lot, but I found that they need the side skills to be safe.
They are armour tanks, but PvP (or even PvE) without Shield Management IV is asking for a quick trip in your pod.
By the time you can truly fly one, a Maller/Omen will have earned far more than 50Mill. |
Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
514
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Posted - 2012.09.28 23:09:00 -
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Quote: Good advice. But that just means I need 200M isk. :)
Right now, I'm doing level 1 rat missions and gathering maybe 2M an hour in rewards and loot (if I don't get bored and if I can sell the loot at a good price).
I'm planning to get a cruiser, probably the Maller, soon and use it for level 2 rat missions.
Any suggestions on faster methods?
Note, I tried mining, and after 3 hours of shooting rocks, had 750k isk-worth of ore. Bleh.
Mining, missions, exploration, trading, manufacturing, anomalies, ratting (lowsec/nullsec), ninjasalvaging, and more...There's a ton of ways to make ISK.
Missions are pretty bleh for ISK until you get to level 3-4, and those require at least a battlecruiser to complete successfully. Also, they're boring and repetitive, so I don't recommend them.
Mining is also quite boring, but you should be earning far better than 250K ISK per hour...if you were using a mining-bonused ship. Unfortunately EVE is in kind of a weird place right now...There used to be racial mining frigates, but CCP is moving over to having an ORE frigate for mining. Most races still have their mining frigates, but the Amarrian one, the Tormentor, got moved to a combat role... So you can't really mine for **** right now.
My advice is to look at all the things you can do to earn ISK (there's a lot), and care less about how profitable each one is and care more about how fun the activity is. |
Omega Sunset
Caldari Roughnecks
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Posted - 2012.09.28 23:22:00 -
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Newt BlackCompany wrote:
Good advice. But that just means I need 200M isk. :)
Nah, probably 70m for the build at best for your skill level, and just insure it. So maybe 65m to build and stash 30-50m in case it pops. Here is an example build cost: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/62757-Harbinger-Lowish-SP-PvE-Harby.html#values If you just do combat, maybe a distro would be the better stepping stone to a BC. Either that or a regular cruiser, they're not expensive. |
Braxus Deninard
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.29 03:01:00 -
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I know it's been mentioned before, and I know you know it, but you can't fly one well, if at all. If you ever try take it into combat, you're just going to die, and you'll get very angry having lost all your hard work that you put into buying it in about 30 seconds.
My advice is find a much smaller ship, you need at least 4 or 5 months of training to even be slightly competent in a BS.
Of course you can still get one and jump in with no skills, but don't complain when you lose it in all of 10 seconds. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2358
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Posted - 2012.09.29 03:01:00 -
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Have you tried hooking? "A genius throws a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that he's going to die choking in a maze of smoke and flame. A hero drinks a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that if he does a split in midair, he can hit twice as many zombies per kick. Drunk hero wins again, wusses." ~Cracked.com |
ChuckNorris InSpace
SniggWaffe YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT
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Posted - 2012.09.29 04:14:00 -
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train 140k sp
join fw
buy incursus
orbit beacon for 10 mins
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Disastro
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
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Posted - 2012.09.29 05:53:00 -
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Newt BlackCompany wrote:Ok, I'm a newbie.
However, i like the Amarr battlecruiser, Harbinger, and I want one. I can't fly it yet, but I still want one.
Problem is, it costs 50M isk, and I have 10M. It'll probably cost another 50M to ideally outfit it.
So, how can I make the needed 100M isk quickly?
Have you considered going to Jita? Folks there offer to double your money about every 10 seconds. You could have your 100 mil in no time at all! |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
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Posted - 2012.09.29 06:20:00 -
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You can try trading: Invest your 10 million in something that has a high turnover and a high profit when reselling it, then reinvest your profits for even moar profit. With the sums you are talking, your net profit should be pretty much exponential.
If you don-¦t mind babysitting your market orders, you can do that in a trade hub, perhaps even Jita.... Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20. |
Maximillian Severasse
Vectorum Exitium Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2012.09.29 11:43:00 -
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If you don't belong to a corp yet, consider joining one. The one I belong to has an industrialist player who makes our ships for half price. He made my Harb for 26 mil. A corp could also maybe supply you with some modules further reducing your costs. |
Byron Squared
FCI Solvents
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Posted - 2012.09.29 13:07:00 -
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Maximillian Severasse wrote:If you don't belong to a corp yet, consider joining one. The one I belong to has an industrialist player who makes our ships for half price. He made my Harb for 26 mil. A corp could also maybe supply you with some modules further reducing your costs.
+ high sec corp = someone running level IV missions. Whether through a corp or finding someone some other way, salvaging/looting other peoples level IV missions (with permission ideally :^) will make you oodles of money compared to what you are used to. A couple of blockades will pay for the harbi......Should also work to run around incursion space scanning down wrecks and salvaging - anyone tried that in the HQ/AS systems? |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
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Posted - 2012.09.29 17:46:00 -
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Offer lapdancing services in the subway. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2380
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Posted - 2012.09.30 01:34:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:Offer lapdancing services in the subway.
you can charge more for my way "A genius throws a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that he's going to die choking in a maze of smoke and flame. A hero drinks a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that if he does a split in midair, he can hit twice as many zombies per kick. Drunk hero wins again, wusses." ~Cracked.com |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
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Posted - 2012.09.30 10:15:00 -
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A halfway-decent interim step might be the Arbitrator cruiser - it's along the skill path to the Harbi, and it should be good at Level 2 and some Level 3 missions, if you train up drone skills (which will serve you well in any case).
Also, you might train Salvaging and use one of the Arbitrator's high slots for a salvager - loot and salvage can easily earn you double the ISK you get from mission rewards alone. |
Newt BlackCompany
New United Europian Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.10.01 08:55:00 -
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Kitty Bear wrote:Offer lapdancing services in the subway.
Oh, lots of responses over the weekend! This was my fav. :) Too bad I don't have the bod for it.
Ok, I'm now getting moderately skilled with the maller, and realized that everything said above is absolutely true. I couldn't run it for crap my first couple missions. Got surrounded by drones too close to shoot, and almost lost my ship. Armor tanking and yelling for help in the rookie channel saved my butt.
So, the Harby is still my goal, but I'm going to take a few weeks skill training and working with my Maller while playing around with Harby fits and skills to see what I can do. I think I'll need the harby for Lv3 missions. I'm now doing ok with the Lv2 missions.
Thanks again everyone! Especially to the generous guy who donated 200M isk! :) That was too cool. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
113
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Posted - 2012.10.01 09:26:00 -
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I would still say that PLEX is the best way of fast wallet fix, 1 bil can buy you a lot of fun in newbie stage of your Eve adventure. Of course there is PVE way like missions/mining/exploration but they all require skills to really get max out of them and that means time to get skills to reasonable levels.
With that being said, you shouldn't rush into bigger ships if you have troubles with smaller ones. A lot of support skills are really the same regardless of ship size/class/type and you should get to level 4 all of them ASAP. It is good to have a goal in training like it is Harbinger in your case but it shouldn't mean you will skip skills that are not required for that ship. Having only required skills means you can basically just sit in a ship instead of using it up to its full potential.
One PVE activity that you can get into with relatively low level skills is salvage after other people doing L4 missions. A lot of missioners don't bother with cleaning up their mission sites because they make more money just running next missions. And quite a lot of them will let you join them to salvage, I think there is a chat dedicated for this purpose even. And it can really be a huge money for a newbie, it's not uncommon to bring 20 mil in salvage from a good L4 mission and all you really need for it is a destroyer with salvagers.
And last advice from me: don't get hang up too much on prices/money and financial side, at the end of a day what really matters is amount of fun you got from playing not your wallet numbers. Money should be just a means to the end not end itself.
Have fun and good luck :) I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |
Casirio
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
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Posted - 2012.10.01 15:20:00 -
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I would stay cruiser class because they are way cheaper and will get you the skills you need for a BC. |
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