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The Mach
STEEL CITY. Tribal Band
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Posted - 2012.09.30 22:02:00 -
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It seems that the general consensus is that: AFK cloaking = bad System cloak camping = ok
I'd agree, I would say the problem is very similar to bot mining (afk mining) and RMT farmers.
There's a million "fixes" to the issue, and if you search the forums you will find them in all their glory, some good some bad, some that are gloriously simple. Eve is known for having "a counter for everything" and there is no counter for an AFK cloaker.
My question is that why did it not make the winter expansion? It's a pretty big issue and hasn't eve been addressed by CCP?
Insightful posts only, (lol that'll happen) |
Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
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Posted - 2012.09.30 22:29:00 -
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Well AFK cloaker can't be a threat, because he's... AFK. If he's a threat, he's obviously not AFK. Pick one.
NEXT! |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
931
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Posted - 2012.09.30 23:34:00 -
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The Mach wrote: Eve is known for having "a counter for everything" and there is no counter for an AFK cloaker. Yes there is. It is the ships themselves. All of the cloaking capable ships are extremely weak in direct combat and, as a result, have a narrow band of targets they can possibly engage and live against.
The Mach wrote: My question is that why did it not make the winter expansion? It's a pretty big issue and hasn't eve been addressed by CCP?
There was a Q&A thread quite awhile back. CCP acknowledged AFK-cloaking as a problem but also stated that they "didn't have a solution for it"... probably because it is a symptom of a much larger problem and a counter to another tactic that currently "has no counter." Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
173
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Posted - 2012.10.01 00:31:00 -
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How was it put, find a wat to counter afk cloaking without hurting active cloakers and wormhole corps. Ideas for Dorne Improvement https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1658683#post1658683 Updated 9/21/12 |
Oraac Ensor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.01 01:00:00 -
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The Mach wrote:It seems that the general consensus is that: AFK cloaking = bad No it doesn't. Just the opposite, in fact, judging by the amount of flak directed at comments of that sort in the past. |
Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.01 02:02:00 -
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Why is it necessary to change the game to "fix" afk cloaking when people could just as easily prevent themselves dying to cloakers by operating on the assumption that hostiles in their system are not afk? |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
315
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Posted - 2012.10.01 03:05:00 -
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The Mach wrote:It seems that the general consensus is that: AFK cloaking = bad System cloak camping = ok
I'd agree, I would say the problem is very similar to bot mining (afk mining) and RMT farmers.
There's a million "fixes" to the issue, and if you search the forums you will find them in all their glory, some good some bad, some that are gloriously simple. Eve is known for having "a counter for everything" and there is no counter for an AFK cloaker.
My question is that why did it not make the winter expansion? It's a pretty big issue and hasn't eve been addressed by CCP?
Insightful posts only, (lol that'll happen) Just assume that all cloakers are not AFK and you will live. |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
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Posted - 2012.10.01 05:23:00 -
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Powers Sa wrote:Just assume that all cloakers are not AFK and you will live. That's a precursor to whining, because it's so damn inconvenient to do that. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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Mr Floydy
The Xenodus Initiative. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
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Posted - 2012.10.01 07:28:00 -
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Easy fix, remove local. Then you don't know someone is there and you'll stop worrying. As others have said, if he' cloaked he can't kill you.
HTFU |
Esker Sheep
Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2012.10.01 08:55:00 -
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The Mach wrote:AFK cloaking = bad System cloak camping = ok
How do you know that someone is AFK?
They could have a cloaky alt in system as a scout whilst they do stuff with their main. Does this make them AFK?
As others have said, you have nothing to fear from an AFK cloaky ship. You only need to fear an active cloaky ship. Just assume that the cloaky is active and has a point and cyno then take appropriate precautions.
The only thing that should be impacted by an AFK cloaky is bots that look for a red in local and stop their activity. So, in a sense, allowing AFK cloaking is helping to fight bots. |
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TheSkeptic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.01 11:34:00 -
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The Mach wrote:It seems that the general consensus is that: AFK cloaking = bad
Pretty sure the general consensus is Cloaking = working as intended
The Mach wrote: Eve is known for having "a counter for everything" and there is no counter for an AFK cloaker. Yes there is... it's called 'bait'
The Mach wrote: My question is that why did it not make the winter expansion? It's a pretty big issue and hasn't eve been addressed by CCP?
Because there was nothing to fix.
The Mach wrote: Insightful posts only, (lol that'll happen)
If only you started with one :( |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
780
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Posted - 2012.10.01 12:32:00 -
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Nestara Aldent wrote:Well AFK cloaker can't be a threat, because he's... AFK. If he's a threat, he's obviously not AFK. Pick one.
NEXT!
It's logical. Why people don't understand it |
Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Guards Black Core Alliance
113
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Posted - 2012.10.01 13:31:00 -
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Ah, it's another "I see a person in local" problem thread. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |
Nikk Narrel
Infinite Improbability Inc Mordus Angels
588
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Posted - 2012.10.01 14:29:00 -
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Ganthrithor wrote:Why is it necessary to change the game to "fix" afk cloaking when people could just as easily prevent themselves dying to cloakers by operating on the assumption that hostiles in their system are not afk? THIS!
Quit assuming you have a license to operate without being hunted or harassed by hostile forces. Take countermeasures at all times, and if noone is there for a few minutes, it is because they are one system out prepping to attack. Cloaking being on a ten minute manual cycle timer? (Author: Bree Okanata) Fine. As long as there is a ten minute timer for being docked in a station. Also, you can't stop moving in the game. Just add in a way so every ten minutes you are randomly warped to the nearest other player. Keeps people from going AFK. |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
930
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Posted - 2012.10.01 14:31:00 -
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anybody who is afk for longer then 10minutes should be banned for three month since he did not pay attention to the important spaceship game a eve-style bounty system https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105 You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |
Tarn Kugisa
Infinite Covenant Tribal Band
154
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Posted - 2012.10.01 16:28:00 -
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It's called a standing fleet for some reason people don't like to form standing fleets I Endorse this Product and/or Service Source Recorder-esque tool for EVE |
Ganthrithor
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
417
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Posted - 2012.10.01 19:15:00 -
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Tarn Kugisa wrote:It's called a standing fleet for some reason people don't like to form standing fleets
What do you mean it's better to have friends and work with others in an MMO? This is some bull. CCP refund my six years of sub fees I don't wanna make friends. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.01 19:55:00 -
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Ganthrithor wrote:Why is it necessary to change the game to "fix" afk cloaking when people could just as easily prevent themselves dying to cloakers by operating on the assumption that hostiles in their system are not afk? STOP MAKING SENSE D: http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Furry Commander
Furry Armada
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Posted - 2012.10.01 22:34:00 -
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I have read so many of these threads and even though i am mostly a care bear i say cloakies don't need a fix so much, although if they are on grid with you it would be nice to have a chance to decloak them more easily (ie prevent them from running through gate camps quite as easily, but just a teeny bit) i rather think i like the idea of nerfing local. you won't know they are there, but they won't necessarily know you are there. if they are afk then its no big deal, and if they are hunting you, the Dscanner should be able to autoupdate. so i say nerf local and make the dscanner a little less of a pain to constantly need to push buttan |
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