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Lin Fatale
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.06 23:49:00 -
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Part of the problem is that the opportunities to get fights are really low. And sometimes I think EVE is more a spy game than a pvp oriented game.
You need a lot of time to find something else than ganks or blobs. Both is boring and nobody gets a fight out of such a situation and to be camped in is also not that funny.
Eve needs more fight generators more PVP opportunities.
Maybe a small starmap redesign could help here. A few more gates between the regions, so that you dont have to fly 100 jumps if your red neighbours dont wanna fight. But should not end up in more force projection, maybe use mass limits or more wh connections between 0.0 areas
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Luc Chastot
Moira. Villore Accords
32
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Posted - 2012.10.07 01:23:00 -
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Better question:
Fun derived from causing other players' tears: EVE vs other mmos Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. |
Monstress
Flying Danger Group.
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Posted - 2012.10.07 07:15:00 -
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I would say it's because of EVE's darwinistic nature that drives away most people (and also the main reason I love it so much). Stupid people tend to find their way out quick. |
Troxane
Troxane Corp
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Posted - 2012.10.07 07:40:00 -
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Because maybe not everyone has an orgasm when he s ruining someone else 's day ? |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.07 08:11:00 -
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Troxane wrote:Because maybe not everyone has an orgasm when he s ruining someone else 's day ?
There's more to the game than that.
Most people want a themepark game where they can happily build up wealth with no risk or a game with instant gratification. EVE is not one of those games. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |
Olleybear
I R' Carebear
123
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Posted - 2012.10.07 19:02:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Troxane wrote:Because maybe not everyone has an orgasm when he s ruining someone else 's day ? There's more to the game than that. Most people want a themepark game where they can happily build up wealth with no risk or a game with instant gratification. EVE is not one of those games. Zero risk theme park is definitely one of the things people like.
Had a guy that played WoW like crazy try Eve after I told him about it. After 2 months or so, he quit Eve. His reason: He didnt like the real loss associated with pvp even though he had never lost anything in the game. He also didnt like how there wasnt enough to do npc wise.
To understand that second part you would need to play WoW. WoW gives the player the story, tells them where to go, what they have to do. Once that part of the story is finished, the player gets sent to aother area of the world with new monsters and visuals ( oh look snow! ) and the game hand feeds them more story. The main goal the story leads you to is the Boss fight. Our missions with no point or end leave people wondering why they are doing them.
Eves story is made mostly by the players. To increase subs and retain people who want a story, there would need to be a story that takes you a decent amount of time, a few months perhaps, before you get to a final Boss fight. Something dramatic like, your employer dies in the end but you vanquish the boss. Afterwards, the story would then leave you on your own in the real harsh world of Eve where you make your own story and your own decisions.
Before I understood Eve, I was expecting the same hand holding story as well, thought I did something wrong when no more story was forthcoming, and was disappointed.
Note: I'm not saying that is the direction Eve should take, just pointing out where the game fails against other MMO's and why people dont stay. When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
575
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Posted - 2012.10.08 15:31:00 -
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Only one simple solution to this problem.
Make the tournament prize more competitive. More $$$ and new professional gamers will start flocking in.
There is a reason why some of the Korean folks drop out of college to compete in Starcraft tournaments. These tournaments provide enough cash inflows and incentives to sustain their lifestyle.
CCP just needs to host more tournaments with bigger cash prizes using third-party services (MLG and etc). |
The VC's
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2012.10.08 16:02:00 -
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The Avatar.
For some people, when they play games they like to pretend the're someone else. Basic, common narcisism. It's a potent hook to get subscribers.
I would posit that most eve players don't really care about avatar based play, and prefer to be themselves in control of equipment and complex systems.
We may still be narcisists anyway, but that's not what drives us to play the game. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2510
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Posted - 2012.10.08 16:52:00 -
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The Antiquarian wrote:Only one simple solution to this problem.
Make the tournament prize more competitive. More $$$ and new professional gamers will start flocking in.
There is a reason why some of the Korean folks drop out of college to compete in Starcraft tournaments. These tournaments provide enough cash inflows and incentives to sustain their lifestyle.
CCP just needs to host more tournaments with bigger cash prizes using third-party services (MLG and etc).
I believe that is the plan, the upcoming cash prize tournament is testing the waters and mechanics to do just that (or something very, very similar).
Streamed matches work best when they are covering non-stop action in a relatively short time frame. In EVE the closest approximation we have to that are hosted tournaments. With that in mind, if things go well and these streamed cash tournaments start drawing a following this could actually be the best advertising avenue for CCP yet... and the cherry on top is that they will be highly entertaining for the current player base as well. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Jason Richter
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.10.08 17:32:00 -
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Tarvos Telesto wrote:Hi all While ago i wach some world championsship turnament in online game caled leauage of legends, and here was more than 80.000 views live that is more than average amount of people loged in eve, just a single room strem tv chanel with 80.000 people waching... but in total here is milions of views while turnament, because people can select own chanel with specific language depend country where they living. The best part, this game is not even a mmo is just game where people fight 5vs5 in old boring map, using champions like pokemons or somthing like this. Why others online games are so popular and EvE not So bigger is better ? maybe EvE offer to much large scale pvp ? maybe is to hardcore for mass ? maybe here solo and small pvp is dead ? maybe people love game with small amount of people involed to pvp than like 500vs500 with lag fest and zero fun, maybe is time to change this. Sorry for my horrible grammar. o7
The reason is actually quite simple. Most people would rather play a game where content is regulated for them. It takes a special kind of person to stick with a hardcore sandbox like this one where dying has consequences and where your fun is based on what you look for not what is handed to you. |
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1761
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Posted - 2012.10.08 17:43:00 -
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It's mostly because EVE is too difficult for the average person to play. Most people don't want to spend the kind of time and effort it takes to play EVE.
Frankly I firmly believe that if CCP changed the control scheme from this point and click crap to an actual WASD or Joystick control scheme it would probably draw in more players.
I keep hearing people say that using anything but point and click causes too many commands being given which lags up the system. To that I say...if other games can do it...so can EVE. Then again it was always said to be impossible to make missile launchers visible and have missiles come from the launchers instead of the center of the ship. I guess we will never see that happe...oh wait... EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
Holy One
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
228
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Posted - 2012.10.08 17:52:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:It's mostly because EVE is too difficult for the average person to play. Most people don't want to spend the kind of time and effort it takes to play EVE.
You can keep telling yourself that .. but in my opinion its because the game is not actually much fun. It takes too long to 'buy in', its too tedious day-to-day, it has little reward and a lot of risk and it has been creatively and politically stagnant for 2+ years. Many good reasons why people prefer to play lolbunnies with their 'friends' instead. |
T'Laar Bok
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Posted - 2012.10.08 18:37:00 -
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A theme park sounds great!
As long as its got an octopus at least half an AU in diameter.
To keep the PVPs happy they can try to shoot the people out of their seats as they go whizzing past.
It'll be great fun!
. Amphetimines are your friend.
http://eveboard.com/pilot/T'Laar_Bok |
Incindir Mauser
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2012.10.08 19:40:00 -
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Because EvE has a unique population.
Those that compose forum posts in purple crayons. And those that know what those funny little bumps are for on the keyboard.
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Lord Ryan
True Xero
693
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Posted - 2012.10.08 19:41:00 -
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I can see 3 reason on the front page and growing. Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient. Nerf it cause I can't fly it. I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Josef Djugashvilis
661
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Posted - 2012.10.08 19:47:00 -
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Monstress wrote:I would say it's because of EVE's darwinistic nature that drives away most people (and also the main reason I love it so much). Stupid people tend to find their way out quick.
I am too stoopid to even find my way out! Too old, tired and ugly to care. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
357
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Posted - 2012.10.08 19:48:00 -
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EVE =/= other MMOs, and Gods be thanked for this, despite its flaws, and CCP's recent stupidity in listening to the carebears fixes.
If it ever becomes such, then that's the day it will, indeed, die.
1/10.
Next!
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So what'd you lose, OP, and the rest of ur stuffs, I can has, pleez? There is a fine and proper artistry to wielding verbal scalpels, such that the crap-poster you've slashed doesn't even know they've been cut. But verbal bludgeons -- Those are just fun. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
2281
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Posted - 2012.10.08 20:04:00 -
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Off topic posts removed. Please stay on topic and polite, thank you. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
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Posted - 2012.10.10 01:48:00 -
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Thank you all for extended and short constructive answers, well, looks like here meny factors... I hope we got more people in future.
Cheers. |
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