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Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.08 17:46:00 -
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Daneel Trevize wrote:Look, it shouldn't be in any way able to be confused for frowning and it certainly shouldn't get a fat arse/gut.
It's the blaster gunboat, looking up at it from your hanger it should be a wall or cliff of as much firepower as is possible to cram into a 'economical' battleship design as possible. There is no excess size or mass to the design, except where it would allow moar damage, thus the front end is a chiseled wedge or pair of horns. If it doesn't look like it could be agile enough to turn and bring a fearsome gundeck to bear on you/sink it's teeth into you should you stray too close, you're doing it wrong.
And while it may be organic it's also a space ship, if the more minor thrusters need to be somewhat away from the main bulk to function efficiently, they're fine being in thin nacelles rather than absorbed into an amorphous blob of a main hull. Equally the underslung drone bay is perfectly fine as is. Extra parts should look like limbs/organs rather than cancers.
And it certainly shouldn't have bloody sansha/caldari spikes.
In short CCP, bin this bad idea and do some proper work on the caldari hulls. Or a possibly more lightweight dominix, not a fatter Mega.
It's not fatter so much as it has been reduced in 'weight', (as you put it), on the rear section of the ship/model. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
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Posted - 2012.10.08 17:50:00 -
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No it's just smeared in length and pulled the elbows in. The whole point of the original was clearly up front brutish brawler. It's a fight bull, huge shoulders, head down, charge in, small back limbs. |
Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
342
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Posted - 2012.10.08 18:23:00 -
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I actually like it better than the original. I might think it could be changed a bit conceptually speaking, but it's still much nicer, and that is just a drawing, (a good one without a doubt), rather than a model we are seeing in game. The end result will probably be much nicer with full textures and depth, dimensionally speaking. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
Crispin McTarmac
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.10.08 18:34:00 -
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I like the sideways structure under hardpoint 7, starship designs ought to have much more mc escher stuff like that. Evidence of cyclotrons is cool too, if only there was a way to make them slowly light up as the guns fire until they're white-hot |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
844
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Posted - 2012.10.08 19:31:00 -
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Mars Theran wrote:http://i.imgur.com/sgapA.jpg Forgive the lack of real effort; I used Paint, and it really doesn't do much. I'd extend that Bridge tower back and down from there, and off the rear of the model as it is now. Sort of a sloping, bridge section with probably a galley looking out off the back. Here's a few red lines to help; sorry, not much of an artist anymore. http://i.imgur.com/Lwekf.jpg
The concept art is much much better than the current model. I also think Mars' efforts above would improve this further.
I've enjoyed reading this thread too |
Aaron Barton
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.08 20:22:00 -
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The redesign is nice. Though I will agree with the previous sentiment that the Megathron has been streamlined a bit too much.
My biggest gripe though is the eighth hardpoint. I'd have liked to have seen the structure on which the seventh hardpoint is placed to have been expanded just enough to fit the eighth hardpoint. I think the visual of a 4-2-2 clustered setup is pretty cool. It looks more focused, you know? |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
844
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Posted - 2012.10.08 21:12:00 -
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Aaron Barton wrote:The redesign is nice. Though I will agree with the previous sentiment that the Megathron has been streamlined a bit too much.
My biggest gripe though is the eighth hardpoint. I'd have liked to have seen the structure on which the seventh hardpoint is placed to have been expanded just enough to fit the eighth hardpoint. I think the visual of a 4-2-2 clustered setup is pretty cool. It looks more focused, you know?
How about 5-3? |
Aaron Barton
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.10.08 21:23:00 -
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Solhild wrote:Aaron Barton wrote:The redesign is nice. Though I will agree with the previous sentiment that the Megathron has been streamlined a bit too much.
My biggest gripe though is the eighth hardpoint. I'd have liked to have seen the structure on which the seventh hardpoint is placed to have been expanded just enough to fit the eighth hardpoint. I think the visual of a 4-2-2 clustered setup is pretty cool. It looks more focused, you know? How about 5-3?
I'd be perfectly happy with 5-3 if the Kronos weren't around. My reasoning is that the four hardpoints at the front of the Kronos are the perfect place for the four guns.
A nice compromise would be to have a 5-3 setup for the Megathron (and the Navy Megathron and the Vindicator perhaps) and a 4-2-2 or 4-whatever setup for the Kronos. It isn't that bad an idea since T2 ships often do have visual differences from their T1 base.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
41
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Posted - 2012.10.08 21:25:00 -
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Add animated texture accents like on Machariel. Maybe some animated structures on bridge. About WIS |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
777
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Posted - 2012.10.08 21:36:00 -
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What he said
CCP my underwear is going crazy, jesus ! brb |
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Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
57
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Posted - 2012.10.08 21:38:00 -
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it still looks a little like edf1, so it's not changed hugely |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
777
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Posted - 2012.10.08 21:46:00 -
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Daneel Trevize wrote:It's the blaster gunboat, looking up at it from your hanger it should be a wall or cliff of as much firepower as is possible to cram into a 'economical' battleship design as possible.
Noes. Blaster gunboat is Hyperion. Megathron makes them work better because Hyperion slots layout and bonuses are completely horrible. That tracking bonus sure it's really awesome when you use blasters and T2 long range ammo, but It's meant to make Rails work so much better... if those were not that bad coupled with an horrible tanking mode.
Quote:And while it may be organic it's also a space ship, if the more minor thrusters need to be somewhat away from the main bulk to function efficiently, they're fine being in thin nacelles rather than absorbed into an amorphous blob of a main hull. Equally the underslung drone bay is perfectly fine as is. Extra parts should look like limbs/organs rather than cancers or bits being tucked in. It need pull its elbows in for no one.
What the heck your trying to do there? -Mega is perfect, at least it was but CCP manages to make it EvEn better, they did the impossible !!!
And noes noes and double noes to that crap organic thing, there's already that ugliest thing ever named Dominix !! I almost puke just thinking about it.
brb |
Deise Koraka
Caldari Investigations and Forensics
54
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:33:00 -
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Well, this is pretty neat.
Always good to see new ship models. ____________________________ I am a carebear, and I support High Sec ganking and PvP. Just please, don't blow up my Hulk*. <3
*Mackinaw as of Inferno 1.2 |
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
240
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Posted - 2012.10.09 08:01:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:noes noes and double noes to that crap organic thing I was trying to justify how the current rear limbs of the mega are fine being more concave than convex, and protruding rather then bulbous.
As for Gal being organically styled, if you didn't know this I've got news for you: Navitas - it was a straight-up fish Proteus - hammerhead shark/whale/sea dragon Thorax - **** & ball(s) Vexor - crustacean Brutix - look at those flowing shapes, dat chin |
J Kunjeh
404
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Posted - 2012.10.09 19:33:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Megathron has never been a good looking ship for me. I don't understand what people see in it. That's just me.
The Megathron is the best looking ship model in the game, I think. To me, it's that iconic look of the front end of a Stingray Corvette, smashed onto the back end of a nuclear submarine. Awesome.
"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
607
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Posted - 2012.10.09 20:12:00 -
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TharOkha wrote:Bring black vindicator back pleeeease
i still have a 3 billion isk vindi i refuse to fly due to its silly paint job...
Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
101
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Posted - 2012.10.09 20:25:00 -
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Too much pod racer look. And CCP needs to be more practical about its placement of hardpoints. They seem to have this liking for old school pirate broadside salvos. "Arrrr matey knock your wheels off and aim ye cannon to gut her in the bilge..." |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
101
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Posted - 2012.10.09 20:37:00 -
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Crrrazy Ivan wrote:Would've preferred the Domi to get a redesign since the Mega was always visually appealing, at least to me.
Yeah, less "space potato" would be cool. The domi looks too front loaded. |
Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
179
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Posted - 2012.10.09 21:20:00 -
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Daneel Trevize wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:noes noes and double noes to that crap organic thing I was trying to justify how the current rear limbs of the mega are fine being more concave than convex, and protruding rather then bulbous. As for Gal being organically styled, if you didn't know this I've got news for you: Navitas - it was a straight-up fish Proteus - hammerhead shark/whale/sea dragon Thorax - **** & ball(s) Vexor - crustacean Brutix - look at those flowing shapes, dat chin
Let's not forget the Erebus - Jay Leno
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F'elch
Wall Street Trading
4
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Posted - 2012.10.09 21:22:00 -
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I have never owned a megathron but I am appropriately offended by the redesign. |
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Zeran Kariashi
The Scope Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.10.09 22:58:00 -
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Looks fine to me (the bridge is a nice touch), though the current design isn't bad either, but just don't forget give the Domi some love....Drone spewing...bike-seat looking thing (that is so ugly I can't look directly at it) of doom! |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
339
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Posted - 2012.10.09 23:32:00 -
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Alexa Coates wrote:Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Thank god CCP are addressing the real issues that face EVE players today. oh my ******* god damn ccp is more than one person, they can do multiple ******* things. get this through your head you fucksticks. So true. But can they execute with quality on those projects?
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Mund Richard
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Posted - 2012.10.10 20:22:00 -
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Shizuken wrote:Too much pod racer look. And CCP needs to be more practical about its placement of hardpoints. They seem to have this liking for old school pirate broadside salvos. "Arrrr matey knock your wheels off and aim ye cannon to gut her in the bilge..." That, or a muscle car.
Might be me, but I like my ships a bit more "brick", without huge structures that would twist and bend when making a "sharp turn". (ok, so battleships don't possibly make large turns, but imagine the inertia on the forward "limbs" at a slow turn even - inertia stabilizer fields are nice to explain how it's possible, but you don't quite feel them.) Just imagine, how it would be, if after the shields failing, some frigates would get between the Mega's two structure-parts at the front, kill at the drones coming out, and once almost none are left, one of them goes for the heat exhaust above the drone exit bay...
Then again, I know my sense of aesthetic is off, for I like the Dominix. Feels like a humongous piece of brick when you fly a battleship for the first time. Explains all the loss of speed and gain of mass. Makes you feel that it's a lumbering giant that can take on those "legendary" level four missions, and come out top.
After a while you realize it's only 894 meters at the axis, compared to a Hyperion at 1509. Always wondered at the start of playing why it doesn't have a speed or MWD bonus like the humongous Thorax it could be with all the sleekness and FEEL of speed it has. (Then again, some use it shield tanked with MWD I suppose)
Broadsides... ... reminds me, still haven't got to buying that Mael, load it with 1400mms, and unleash it at some frigates in some asteroids. Preferably in a n00b system, next to folk mining in a frigate. Even if I won't hit anything at all unless I shoot at asteroids. |
Endymi Typhirr
26
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Posted - 2012.11.10 17:38:00 -
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So far, I love the changes. I'd like to think it was my comments about adding a glowing/spinning bit to the circles on the arms/legs while I was checking it out on Buckingham that got them to add it, but I probably wasn't the only one to think so. :P
In any case, one thing I do not like with the current iteration is the top part, next to/below the bridge, is too "exposed" and seems to add a weaker/ravaged look that's more Minmatar style. It takes away from the feeling of being a "muscle car" as Mund Richard mentioned in the post above, which I think is a pretty accurate description of what it implies with its new design.
So, rather than the exposed area at that part of the ship, I think it should be plated/covered--as the current Kronos is. Not necessarily the same design, but covered. Elsewhere, it looks good, but adding it to the rear part of the ship just makes it look weaker.
Also, not a fan of the antenna spikes in the front of the ship as they don't fit and take away from the sleekness of the ship. I'm not sold on the two spikes coming off the windowed top bridge (previously cannon-looking thing?) area either, but I wouldn't mind those as much.
That's all I can think of for now for the basic Megathron hull.
Kronos: I'm waiting to see what changes you're going through on the Kronos's next iteration before I get too much into it. Currently I like the idea of the changes to tailor to the 4-gun setup, but the changes to the top bridge/fin look too squashed (maybe just due to quick model changes) and more like the back of a beetle with its wings out, than anything else. I like the idea, though, but this implementation doesn't strike me as ideal.
Other than that, I prefer the separation of the leg "casts" that the mega design has (the gap) rather than the "solid" design of the Kronos'.
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Merovee
Gorthaur Legion Of Mordor
62
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Posted - 2012.11.10 18:19:00 -
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The ass-end should be a little wider, but looks good. The domi always reminds me of a buffalo head, maybe some horns (hard points) on top would be nice. |
Endymi Typhirr
26
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Posted - 2012.11.10 18:36:00 -
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One other thing, the change from a big curve on the front end of the old Mega hull, versus the new harsh slant with the change seems a bit much. Perhaps a less extreme angle, or re-adding more of a gentle curve on the front? Somewhere in between would be nice, but the sudden slope doesn't feel Gallente-like to me and the curve, even if subtle, is part of what makes it retain its style.
On that note, I also think it would be better to have the lights aiming straight forward, or just slightly lower, rather than at the angle they are at now (which follows the front of the ship). Concord LP Channel and Mailing List For buying and selling of Concord LP and related items |
Endymi Typhirr
30
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Posted - 2012.11.19 08:00:00 -
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So, again, concerning the latest change with the new open part at the center-rear of the Megathron where the engines are: Way too exposed, same argument I gave above: Too open! You're taking off all the armored bits that make the Megathron look strong!
So, STAHP this madness and put the plates (as per the current Kronos) on, and put the cover back on the engines. This is starting to get silly. Next I suppose we'll just remove all the plating and put some lights there instead. At that point, shall we just paint it with rust and make it a Minmatar ship? Concord LP Channel and Mailing List For buying and selling of Concord LP and related items |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1302
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Posted - 2012.11.19 08:04:00 -
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I think the new Megathron is gorgeous. Vindicator and Kronos are also beautiful.
Haven't really taken that close of a look yet at the Stabber and Tempest hulls or their derivatives yet. Last I checked the textures on the Vagabond were still very much a work in progress. |
Beekeeper Bob
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
295
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Posted - 2012.11.19 08:37:00 -
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Alexa Coates wrote:Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Thank god CCP are addressing the real issues that face EVE players today. oh my ******* god damn ccp is more than one person, they can do multiple ******* things. get this through your head you fucksticks.
Yep, looks like a major expansion to me......
And does anyone really fly a mega anymore? Can't remember the last time I saw one in a fleet or gang. "Paranoia is the number one killer of idiots and Republicans." |
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
92
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Posted - 2012.11.19 09:57:00 -
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Oh ok redesign, but its still the same useless blaster boat soo... Why you posting this ? :) |
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