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ShadowandLight
Black Aces Against ALL Anomalies
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Posted - 2012.10.08 14:28:00 -
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EN24 just posted some notes from the Eve Vegas conference.
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/10/08/eve-vegas-ccp-soundwave-discusses-winter/
It appears that CCP Soundwave stated that NPC logoff timers will now be 60 seconds. Before it was listed that it was going to 15 minutes?
Whats the actual figure? And does it matter where you are in terms of NPC timer?
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2012.10.08 14:32:00 -
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I would trust official devblogs more than out of game news sources, and a NPC is a NPC no matter what part of the universe it is. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2012.10.08 14:42:00 -
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Yeah, that article is rather confused.
NPC aggression times are really only an issue if you believe you want to log off in space while ratting. Since the most common use of this tactic is by ratting bots in Null, 15 mintues seems ideal.
The only down side to this is if you are unfortunate enough to be pointed while ratting and you lose connection. Although it is rare, it can happen. This just gives more incentive to always kill any NPC capable of pointing you first. Failing that it would certainly be best to log back in as quickly as possible.
I have little doubt that the number of legitimate connection failures vs intentional log offs as a defensive tactic is miniscule. I think most of us can live with ratting having a small sliver of risk attached to it for a change. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp
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Posted - 2012.10.08 14:43:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:I would trust official devblogs more than out of game news sources, Unless it's The Mittani dot com, the news source you can trust!
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
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Posted - 2012.10.08 14:43:00 -
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If they suddenly back off from the 15-minute timer, that means the botting community has a much larger pull with CCP than was previously thought. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
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Posted - 2012.10.08 14:57:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:If they suddenly back off from the 15-minute timer, that means the botting community has a much larger pull with CCP than was previously thought.
Tinfoil logic never gets old :)
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2510
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Posted - 2012.10.08 15:02:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:If they suddenly back off from the 15-minute timer, that means the botting community has a much larger pull with CCP than was previously thought. Tinfoil logic never gets old :)
Yeah, I wouldn't go that far either. If they did go with a shorter timer it would likely be to avoid player angst over disconnecting while pointed vs rats.
Hopefully that won't happen because we all know (CCP included) that the vast majority of those complaining on this point would be people running bots. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
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Posted - 2012.10.08 15:09:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:War Kitten wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:If they suddenly back off from the 15-minute timer, that means the botting community has a much larger pull with CCP than was previously thought. Tinfoil logic never gets old :) Yeah, I wouldn't go that far either. If they did go with a shorter timer it would likely be to avoid player angst over disconnecting while pointed vs rats. Hopefully that won't happen because we all know (CCP included) that the vast majority of those complaining on this point would be people running bots. Sixty seconds isn't enough time to probe out a bot. I'm sorry, but it's simply impossible to drop and set up probes, align them on the target, scan, warp, and aggro. It might work one out of fifty times due to sheer luck in positioning and distance, but for practical purposes, it's impossible. You might have better luck against bots scrambled by NPCs, but they can mitigate this risk with proper targeting priorities. Either you accommodate the plethora of botters (and people who disconnect as a safety measure), or the tiny amount of people who legitimately disconnect at the wrong moment due to bad internets and whatnot. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2510
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Posted - 2012.10.08 15:12:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:War Kitten wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:If they suddenly back off from the 15-minute timer, that means the botting community has a much larger pull with CCP than was previously thought. Tinfoil logic never gets old :) Yeah, I wouldn't go that far either. If they did go with a shorter timer it would likely be to avoid player angst over disconnecting while pointed vs rats. Hopefully that won't happen because we all know (CCP included) that the vast majority of those complaining on this point would be people running bots. Sixty seconds isn't enough time to probe out a bot. I'm sorry, but it's simply impossible to drop and set up probes, align them on the target, scan, warp, and aggro. It might work one out of fifty times due to sheer luck in positioning and distance, but for practical purposes, it's impossible. You might have better luck against bots scrambled by NPCs, but they can mitigate this risk with proper targeting priorities. Either you accommodate the plethora of botters (and people who disconnect as a safety measure), or the tiny amount of people who legitimately disconnect at the wrong moment due to bad internets and whatnot.
I completely agree... and I think CCP does as well. I am hopeful that they have not gotten so gun shy over forum rage that they back off on this.
I just don't believe that if they did back off that their primary reason would be due to "pull" exerted by botters. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
252
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Posted - 2012.10.08 15:25:00 -
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I like the ballsy ccp tbh. First no log offski in combat, now dock or pos up before docking when ratting.
If they add a cloak nerf the botters will really be crying, without it not much will change, they just wont log out for 15 minutes longer when the system is occupied. That does hurt botters bottom line though as that is 15 mins they cant log on the backup farmer char on that acc. |
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Abdiel Kavash
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
886
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Posted - 2012.10.08 15:31:00 -
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I do support removing logging off as a viable means of escape. (Even though I do it myself occasionally.) |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
123
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Posted - 2012.10.08 15:52:00 -
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Also bear in mind even if you scan them down within 60 seconds you then have to kill them too as they only get the PvP flag when they are logged in.
I liked the idea of staying in space for 15 minutes if you log off. It adds another thing to be careful of while ratting in null and provides extra targets. On the other hand it does screw you over if your connection drops I guess.
Maybe 5 minutes? |
Melina Lin
Universal Frog
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Posted - 2012.10.08 16:00:00 -
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They should make that timer 5 minutes and add a function to attach the PVP timer to logged of ships. This should please everyone and make bot hunting possible.
Making people suffer by having them stare for 15 minutes at a timer when they just want to leave the game is remarkably bad game design.
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Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
710
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Posted - 2012.10.08 16:25:00 -
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IDGI, is cloaking up at a safe and logging off not going to work anymore or is this pretty much tears about panic log-outs when someone enters local? Nothing Found |
Speaker for TheDead
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.08 17:47:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:If they suddenly back off from the 15-minute timer, that means the botting community has a much larger pull with CCP than was previously thought. Tinfoil logic never gets old :)
Money is money, no matter where it comes from. In my opinion CCP is struggling, they have clearly over-extended themselves with Dust, and will take money from whomever they can....
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Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
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Posted - 2012.10.08 17:58:00 -
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How many bots would we say actually log off as opposed to just warping to a POS or station though? EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.10.08 19:56:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Sixty seconds isn't enough time to probe out a bot. I'm sorry, but it's simply impossible to drop and set up probes, align them on the target, scan, warp, and aggro. GǪand aggroing alone would be meaningless since the guy is logged out and you can't give him new flags at that point GÇö so replace that one with GÇ£killGÇ¥ and marvel at the impossibility of it all.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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