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Treborc
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Posted - 2005.03.16 05:43:00 -
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I have just watched one of my partners characters killed by a gang of 1 day old character in 1.0 space. They used weapons that require very high level skills and once they were in turn killed by the station guns used another alt to loot the cargo containers.
The fact this was done just outside one of the Yulia stations is not also considered and exploit by CCP.
After petitioning such an obvious exploit/harrasement issue I was kindly advised by CCP that this is normal and not outside the terms of use.
Thank you CCP you have just allowed the game to be ruined for both me and my partner.......keep up the good work and you just may drive me away yet again as I was a Beta tester who left due to all the exploits at the begining.
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Brej Donierik
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Posted - 2005.03.16 07:06:00 -
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You will see alts being used to bypass police quite a lot. Just have to get used to it. At one point I got lured to a station in lower security (I think it was 0.5, not sure) by a great buy price on minerals, but when I got there with the indy, a battleship shot me down and then warped away to avoid dying to the sentry guns, then his indy friend scooped my cargo.
Lots of tricks like that in the game.
There's a huge discussion about alts on the eve-i.com general forums; the problems they cause and how to fix them, and really there aren't many solutions.
If you decide to leave, that's your choice; I certainly am typing from a cancelled account myself. But I think it might be better to view it as a learning experience.
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Treborc
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Posted - 2005.03.16 09:24:00 -
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I have just re-read the terms of use for eve and found a section that deals with this type of game playing, CCP themselves have called it 'grief' playing.
I have just tried to lodge a petition about this and been told that there is no way to lodge a petition currently for this type of issue.
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Valen L'eganas
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Posted - 2005.03.16 09:33:00 -
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Sad to read it. It happens yes. If this happens frequently, CCP should take action and find out and ban the account. They should however find the time, rescources and means of logging such events. And quite frankly, I don't see it happening anytime soon (tm).
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Simon Illian
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Posted - 2005.03.16 09:44:00 -
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happening to me some week ago.
Was in a Kestrel, 50 Millions Isk of zydrine in cargo.
Been pod by a group i call Pirates..... I say : wtf !!!! petition , petition want my hours of play back !!!!
but now not the same ways .... i says : well done pirates..
BUt not the same case a you. I was afk travel so not see the ship who attack me but :
=> I was blast by a scourge missiles => was an old, true caracters
so all for says :
=> in 1.0 or less you CAN BE BLOW AWAY
Concord is here to make the police, not god.
In RL, did police stop all bad guys ??? no really....
the goal of it is : Adapt, modofiy you strategie.
Never go again in Yulai with so more value in a so little Ship ....
Adapt or Die, simple as that
but yes i think recycling alt is an exploit, using 2 char to destroy you make 1 person loosing standing, so no exploit.
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Zunami
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Posted - 2005.03.16 11:08:00 -
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If I am attacked in secure space and shoot back (defend my cargo) and the police arrives within the time I survive. Does the police destroy my ship, too?
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.03.16 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Zunami If I am attacked in secure space and shoot back (defend my cargo) and the police arrives within the time I survive. Does the police destroy my ship, too?
Zunami
No as soon as someone breaks the law he becomes a criminal, anyone will be allowed to shoot him untill his crime timer ends. (15/20 mins after he stops shooting) ---------------------------
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Typherin laidai
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Posted - 2005.03.16 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Brej Donierik You will see alts being used to bypass police quite a lot. Just have to get used to it. At one point I got lured to a station in lower security (I think it was 0.5, not sure) by a great buy price on minerals, but when I got there with the indy, a battleship shot me down and then warped away to avoid dying to the sentry guns, then his indy friend scooped my cargo.
Lots of tricks like that in the game.
There's a huge discussion about alts on the eve-i.com general forums; the problems they cause and how to fix them, and really there aren't many solutions.
If you decide to leave, that's your choice; I certainly am typing from a cancelled account myself. But I think it might be better to view it as a learning experience.
umm thats not a very good trick in 0.5 ... due to the fact concord will bbq your battleship
think you want to advise ppl not to goto 0.4 0.5 is fine.
Typherin
Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5
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Typherin laidai
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Posted - 2005.03.16 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Simon Illian happening to me some week ago.
Was in a Kestrel, 50 Millions Isk of zydrine in cargo.
Been pod by a group i call Pirates..... I say : wtf !!!! petition , petition want my hours of play back !!!!
but now not the same ways .... i says : well done pirates..
BUt not the same case a you. I was afk travel so not see the ship who attack me but :
=> I was blast by a scourge missiles => was an old, true caracters
so all for says :
=> in 1.0 or less you CAN BE BLOW AWAY
Concord is here to make the police, not god.
In RL, did police stop all bad guys ??? no really....
the goal of it is : Adapt, modofiy you strategie.
Never go again in Yulai with so more value in a so little Ship ....
Adapt or Die, simple as that
but yes i think recycling alt is an exploit, using 2 char to destroy you make 1 person loosing standing, so no exploit.
Rofl thats just unlucky. and well played to the pirate that killed you
as to not seeing who it was ? ummm you will have a ship destruction mail from concord telling you exactly who shot you, what ship, and what weapon ...
Guesse that'l teach ya ta fly afk
Typherin Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5
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Rexy
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Posted - 2005.03.16 13:05:00 -
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afaik ccp did say something on the issue, gangkin with alts in high sec space or with mains for that matter is not an exploit, however iirc they did say that recycling alts with poor sec status because of it is considered an exploit. cant find the post on that one anymore though, have a look for it i guess.
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Typherin laidai
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Posted - 2005.03.16 13:25:00 -
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yeah i read that too. Reclycling them is a bannable offence afaik Typherin LaiDai Care Negotitations Expert level 5
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.03.16 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: Demarcus on 16/03/2005 14:00:58
Originally by: Treborc I have just re-read the terms of use for eve and found a section that deals with this type of game playing, CCP themselves have called it 'grief' playing.
I have just tried to lodge a petition about this and been told that there is no way to lodge a petition currently for this type of issue.
Nice.....very helpful.
It would only be griefing if they repeatedly singled you and your friend out. Other than that chock it up to a bad day grab a kleenex and move on. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
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Falbala
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Posted - 2005.03.16 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Brej Donierik At one point I got lured to a station in lower security (I think it was 0.5, not sure) by a great buy price on minerals, but when I got there with the indy, a battleship shot me down and then warped away to avoid dying to the sentry guns, then his indy friend scooped my cargo.
Lots of tricks like that in the game.
Yes, I lost my first ship like this to the GODS team^^. This is fair game and has nothing to do with alts. Now with my market skills I buy their stuff and sell it back at higher price without going there^^.
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Braaage
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Posted - 2005.03.16 16:25:00 -
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Sorry but carrying 50 mills worth of Zyd in a kestrel is IMO extremely foolish, at least carry it in something that will last a lot longer whilst Concord own.... ___________________________________________ http://www.eve-tutor.com
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Treborc
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Posted - 2005.03.16 18:38:00 -
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If.... the player who did the killing had been a member of a pirate corp i would have not had a problem as i would have considered it a fair in-game attack....after all it is a game where piracy is allowed.
But .... the use of 1-3 day old alts armed to the teeth eith weapons that can only be used after the loading of many implants and doing a few selected skills for a short time to be able to fire heavy missiles only and nothing else......and to then use another account to collect the resulting cargo container.....
THIS SCREAMS OF AN EXPLOIT/GRIEF PLAY.....
And yet CCP do nothing and refuse to look any further than that you died, they killed you...no problem.
This type of reaction is what is driving away some new players as it is an obvious exploit/grief player activity and it is not being discouraged let aloan actioned when somebody tryes to report it. |
Ajenia
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Posted - 2005.03.16 23:06:00 -
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The GM's are either lazy, or could care less about griefing.
End of story.
I will most like cancel my account soon, as there are many other games out there where GM's actually take the time to address problems, rather than ignore them.
Customer service is a lost art, and clearly something CCP has little knowledge of.
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Punisher1
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Posted - 2005.03.17 02:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ajenia The GM's are either lazy, or could care less about griefing.
End of story.
I will most like cancel my account soon, as there are many other games out there where GM's actually take the time to address problems, rather than ignore them.
Customer service is a lost art, and clearly something CCP has little knowledge of.
can I have your stuff?
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Simon Illian
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Posted - 2005.03.17 13:42:00 -
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i've the KillMail ....
i've the name of the ship who destroy me ...
but just says : well done ... if i see you i pod you ... but well done
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Fontaine Amorrie
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Posted - 2005.03.25 02:45:00 -
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Ok, here's something that some people may not have though about... Eve models human nature. It models it almost to a fault. Human nature is very faulty, so it's a perfect match. If you don't think things would be like this if we were a publicly space-faring people, then you would have a very short life.
Space is big. Space is huge. There's alot of space in space. I can't remember the exact quote, but Douglas Adams said it best with, "Space is so mind-bogglingly huge that the odds of any civilization meeting another one are [some huge number]." I know I royally bashed that quote, but you get the point. My point is that law enforcement simply would be unable to keep control of such vast amounts of void, and people will die. Lots of people will die. And there won't be much, if any, justice in them because of it.
Sorry for your luck in getting blown up, but that happens. Eventually, that guy's standing in the faction that owns that station will go down enough that they'll immediately open fire on him when he shows up, and that's about the amount of justice you'll get. Sorry for your luck. That's life. Deal with it. The only thing is... in that future, the real future, our real future, cloning may not be a reality.
So, what's fair? I think allowing us to not have to start a new character from scratch is fair.
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Koran Horn
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Posted - 2005.03.25 06:55:00 -
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Originally by: Brej Donierik You will see alts being used to bypass police quite a lot. Just have to get used to it. At one point I got lured to a station in lower security (I think it was 0.5, not sure) by a great buy price on minerals, but when I got there with the indy, a battleship shot me down and then warped away to avoid dying to the sentry guns, then his indy friend scooped my cargo.
Lots of tricks like that in the game.
There's a huge discussion about alts on the eve-i.com general forums; the problems they cause and how to fix them, and really there aren't many solutions.
If you decide to leave, that's your choice; I certainly am typing from a cancelled account myself. But I think it might be better to view it as a learning experience.
As for you thinking it might have been in .5 no as the evil BS would have been Concorded properly by the patrolling ships. Must have been in .4 or lower for them only to fear sentry guns.
A Great Buy on Minerals in low sec space Use your head, when things sound to good to be true they usually are
Sounds like the time I bought my first Osprey, found it on the market for 10,000isk (yes that's correct...10,000isk) I immediately bought without checking the status of where it was being sold (.3 space) Flew my shuttle in and saw lots of baddies...flew out fast as possible (in my pod of course...heh)
But heck I still bought if for a low price and it was mine soooo I waited till later that night, flew in , saw that the evil doers had gone to bed and retrieved me prize only loss was the 9,000isk shuttle. But taught me a vaulable lesson.
So be careful on your next "To good to be true" run. As the evil doers can see when someone buys their "bait" and will be waiting.
Oh...thats right, your writing from a cancelled account
As for the fella above your post whose "partner" got killed by some alts, remember it's never safe anywhere... so say no to AFK or you may just pay the price.
...and before you say "I wasn't AFK" then keep an eye out, when you see yourself being locked, and you will see it (if your not AFK of course *cough*). Decide whether you should prepare to defend or immediately warp back to the station to be on the safe side.
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S'Daria
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Posted - 2005.03.25 07:58:00 -
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Perhaps now buying these Tech 2 Transports are worth it?
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.03.25 11:00:00 -
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Ganking new players in 1.0 space is pathetic regardless of the position you take on piracy. It isn't piracy at all but griefing imo.
CCP GM's did state in the old "Barge Killing Guild" thread some time ago that using disposable alt's to gank people in high security space then deleting them to create new ones IS exploitive and griefing.
It might help if you post the names of these losers who did this to you in Yulai. If they're being deleted at all after having negative security then it IS a form of exploiting and they will take action. If however they go out, blast npc's for a few days to raise the sec, then do it again its considered OK. In that case I have to wonder what kind of loser would do this its more pointless then random ganking in 0.0 space.
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Morrdius
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Posted - 2005.03.25 13:11:00 -
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I know alot of people probably won't favor this idea but in my eyes the only solution to this problem is getting rid of alts.
Sure people could still go out and buy another account but someone would really need to be desperate and want to kill people pretty bad to buy another account. Or people could work with others inside the faction to reap the loot from their kills but bottomline is it would be more true to gameplay if there where no alts. IMO
Other games don't have the option to create an alt and being that this game is so customizable (IE character development) it would make sense for them to do that if CCP wanted to actually fix the problem. But based on these posts CCP doesn't want to fix it.
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Fontaine Amorrie
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Posted - 2005.03.25 17:54:00 -
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Games (that I know of) that let you create alts:
Anarchy Online World of Warcraft Earth and Beyond (RIP)
And... that just happens to be all the online games I've played in my life
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.03.26 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: Jakk Graiseach on 26/03/2005 14:33:17
Originally by: Fontaine Amorrie Games (that I know of) that let you create alts:
Anarchy Online World of Warcraft Earth and Beyond (RIP)
And... that just happens to be all the online games I've played in my life
Add:
Ultima Online Everquest Saga of Ryzom Asheron's Call {edit+) Dark Age of Camelot (Played so many before I found EVE... *caresses EVE box*)
Only one where you can't -start- with an alt (that I know of ) is Star Wars Galaxies and there you 'earn' it by unlocking your Jedi. Since SWG is 'teh suxxor' I don't see anyone holding that up as a shining example -- ** All accounts cancelled - have fun guys ** |
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