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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
196
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:29:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Can you prove it's possible? Non sequitur. But yes, it's possible by default that none have been posted.
Can you prove it is possible to destroy tanked Hulk? |
Pipa Porto
1179
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:30:00 -
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Hypercake Mix wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:You asked for a simple (pressing a button), careful (guaranteed safety) method of keeping safe.
If that doesn't suit you, then Fit a Tank. Tanking a Hulk made it unprofitable to gank you, but cost you one or both of your low slots (depending on paranoia level). If you want to complain about "they'll bring more ships" find me the killmail a brick tanked Hulk that was Suicide Ganked. You missed the high-attention part. D-scan makes sense in a tense combat-rich environment where hitting that scan button can flow naturally into the rhythm. D-scan spam in mining is like attentively taking notes on watching paint dry. And fitting and flying Hulks in that manner didn't suit me. When that crap was happening, I sold my Hulk, bought a Gila, and lived easily off my surplus. After barge changes, I bought a Skiff, AB fit it, and now I mine for replacement drones, ammo, and whatever when I feel like it, blazing around at 700m/s kiting around my own mining drones because I can.
So you adapted. Good for you. We're talking about the people who didn't adapt. The people who, when faced with the choice of tank, pay attention, or lose their ship resoundingly chose loose their ship, then whined that they didn't like their choice. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9800
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:32:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Can you prove it is possible to destroy tanked Hulk? Strawman and onus probandi. So how about you prove it instead, since it's your job to do so.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Pipa Porto
1179
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:32:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:If you want to complain about "they'll bring more ships" find me the killmail a brick tanked Hulk that was Suicide Ganked. That's been done in many threads. You ignore those killmails or you just say damage taken is lower than 30k so it's not good enough.
If it has been, then I'm sure you can list them or post the killmails.
I have yet to see one single killmail of a properly tanked Hulk lost to suicide gank. The only killmails people linked were in no sense of the word properly tanked. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
baltec1
Bat Country
2426
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:32:00 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Strawman much? I don't recall finding Null Sec PvP profitable. Ok, maybe if all you do is massive blob warfare where your opponent has no chance to even fight back you might make a profit in 'just' PvP. As for the 'two dozen people in destroyers'.... LMAO. A single rifter took half my tank off in a Tanked Retriever. Hulks got what, maybe a 5% buff base? If that much. Macks got about a 25% buff above hulks from what I saw.
So..... if you don't fit a tank on them but go for max yield, you need maybe 1 more destroyer for a hulk or mack than you used to. Or are you complaining because..... they are actually fitting tanks onto hulks & macks now?
The two dosen number is indeed pants on head. The reason why gankers have stopped going for Macks is because they are unprofitable to gank now even with no tank fitted. |
Pipa Porto
1179
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:33:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Can you prove it's possible? Non sequitur. But yes, it's possible by default that none have been posted. Can you prove it is possible to destroy tanked Hulk?
Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:If you want to complain about "they'll bring more ships" find me the killmail a brick tanked Hulk that was Suicide Ganked. That's been done in many threads. You ignore those killmails or you just say damage taken is lower than 30k so it's not good enough.
You already claimed that it was.
Stop Lying, Jorma. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
196
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:36:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Can you prove it is possible to destroy tanked Hulk? Strawman and onus probandi. So how about you prove it instead, since it's your job to do so.
I'm not a ganker like you. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9800
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:38:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:I'm not a ganker like you. Non sequitur and red herring.
So you agree then, that you just invented things as you always do since GÇö as usual GÇö you cannot offer any the slightest shred of proof for your claim. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
196
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:42:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:I'm not a ganker like you. Non sequitur and red herring. So you agree then, that you just invented things as you always do since GÇö as usual GÇö you cannot offer any the slightest shred of proof for your claim.
I'm not the one who keeps repeating "tanked Hulk can't be destroyed in hisec"... |
baltec1
Bat Country
2426
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:45:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:Non sequitur and red herring.
So you agree then, that you just invented things as you always do since GÇö as usual GÇö you cannot offer any the slightest shred of proof for your claim. I'm not the one who keeps repeating "tanked Hulk can't be destroyed in hisec"...
Only you say things like that. |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9800
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:45:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:I'm not the one who keeps repeating "tanked Hulk can't be destroyed in hisec"... GǪnor is anyone else (except you), but you are the one making claims you cannot prove.
So once again, your fallacies are piling up quite nicely and end up showing that you are pretty much incapable of posting anything that is even remotely close to something that might, with a downright enormous amount of luck, be considered to have a minute chance of being even partially correct. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
196
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:47:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:I'm not the one who keeps repeating "tanked Hulk can't be destroyed in hisec"... GǪnor is anyone else (except you), but you are the one making claims you cannot prove. So once again, your fallacies are piling up quite nicely and end up showing that you are pretty much incapable of posting anything that is even remotely close to something that might, with a downright enormous amount of luck, be considered to have a minute chance of being even partially correct.
Can you prove "tanked Hulk can't be destroyed in hisec" is not true? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9800
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:50:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Can you prove "tanked Hulk can't be destroyed in hisec" is not true? Strawman and onus probandi. You made the claim GÇö you prove it.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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baltec1
Bat Country
2426
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:51:00 -
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Matriarch Prime wrote:Oh, I see that this has devolved into another miner qq thread. My apologies. Mining does have the biggest problem when it comes to risk so its not all that shocking its the one to come up. Even the most militant miner will admit its a very unexciting activity. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
196
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:01:00 -
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Tippia wrote:You made the claim GÇö you prove it.
Did I?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1450495#post1450495
And many others including you Drop. |
Smiknight
The Plebian Republic
9
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:04:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Get the NPC money out of empire. Level 3 and 4 missions all move to low and null, only veldspar available in .5+ systems, etc...
Will solve *most* problems.
Yep, like the 'How to Get Rid of a Decent Portion of the Playerbase' problem.
In relative to nulsec ratting, hisec ratting is fine. Considering that there are places in nulsec where ratting is virtually a risk-free, isk-printing operation, I don't even understand how anyone can take the claim that hisec ratting is unbalanced seriously. If it were really that EASY and LUCRATIVE, everyone would be doing it.
Moving 3s and 4s out of hisec is not only a stupid solution, its also a transparent attempt at implementing a system of entitlement to those too lazy or cowardly to find fights on their own. Eve is not a welfare state, Do you understand how much resurrection hurts? |
Gun Gal
Dark Club
121
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:05:00 -
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Here's a good suggestion: why don't you,OP, and everyone else who wants to screw over people in highsec **** off . |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1050
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:05:00 -
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Smiknight wrote:Eve is not a welfare state LOL (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9800
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:06:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Did I? Yes. See the top of the previous page.
Quote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1450495#post1450495 This link shows Ruby demonstrating why a Hulk couldn't be ganked profitably. This only serves to illustrate why your argument is a strawman and doesn't help you prove your claim. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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baltec1
Bat Country
2426
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:06:00 -
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Just ignore this fool. The guy is just trying to derail the thread and does nothing but lie. |
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
22
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:08:00 -
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EvE stopped being a sandbox when CONCORD came around to punish people for playing EvE the way it was meant to be played. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2426
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:09:00 -
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Smiknight wrote:Gogela wrote:Get the NPC money out of empire. Level 3 and 4 missions all move to low and null, only veldspar available in .5+ systems, etc...
Will solve *most* problems. Yep, like the 'How to Get Rid of a Decent Portion of the Playerbase' problem. In relative to nulsec ratting, hisec ratting is fine. Considering that there are places in nulsec where ratting is virtually a risk-free, isk-printing operation, I don't even understand how anyone can take the claim that hisec ratting is unbalanced seriously. If it were really that EASY and LUCRATIVE, everyone would be doing it. Moving 3s and 4s out of hisec is not only a stupid solution, its also a transparent attempt at implementing a system of entitlement to those too lazy or cowardly to find fights on their own. Eve is not a welfare state, Just about everyone does do high sec level 4s but I agree. Moving them to low isnt the answer. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
196
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:13:00 -
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Tippia wrote:This link shows Ruby demonstrating why a Hulk couldn't be ganked profitably.
If you read it again you probably notice that Ruby demonstrates how you gank tanked Hulk profitably.
Well, 2,5M / ganker but still profit. |
Hecate Shaw
United Freemerchants Society
2
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:17:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Tinja Soikutsu wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Tinja Soikutsu wrote:Honestly up until now been a lowbie 'carebare' myself... more because I've been wanting to get a handle on the game before plunging into any sort of PvP myself. But last couple of days been giving serious thought to exploring or even outright moving into lowsec as a pirate or bounty hunter. No matter what the bleeding-heart carebear apologists tell you, that is objectively the wrong way to play. You fall into this mental trap where every day it's "well, I better get some more money first" or "well, I better train up some more skills first." It will never end. I've killed bears who played for 5-7 years who still had that attitude. And I don't think I've ever met a person who actually went through with the transition after such a long period of time. I'm sure they're out there, but I'd still rather bet on winning the lotto. Seriously, if you don't get over the fear of losing a frigate now, it will be much worse later on when someone doesn't give you a choice about losing a faction-fit navy mission-running BS. Seriously, I've given old players their first losses like that, and they ended up quitting the game despite having so much cash and assets in reserve. Ahh, was talking more about learning the basics of the game. Not afraid of losing stuff I can easily replace... just not wanting to die is pure ignorance about the game... but have learned enough to start seriously considering it now. I'm serious, no level of knowledge is too small to start pvping. Also, you'll learn much faster actually doing it, than just doing bear stuff and reading the forums. You'll be running out of hard drive space in your brain trying to process all the information. Even now, after eight years, I still get stuck in processing mode after each fight, even after winning, for hours thinking stuff like "okay, why did he take me to quarter shields, that should have been impossible given the scenario, time to look at combat logs." I think you are seriously missing the point. Just out of curiosity, how do you fund your PvP? When you lose a ship, implants, etc, how do you pay to replace them? Do you never use implants and let your skills train that slowly? One assumes not...so where do you get the isk for all your PvP activities?
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Pipa Porto
1179
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:19:00 -
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Gun Gal wrote:Here's a good suggestion: why don't you,OP, and everyone else who wants to screw over people in highsec **** off.
Make. Us.
Stop crying to CCP to do it for you, man up and do it yourself. We've been teaching you how to do so for months. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9800
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:20:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:If you read it again you probably notice that Ruby demonstrates how you gank tanked Hulk profitably. GǪexcept that the GǣhowGǥ equates to Gǣnot at all unless someone is paying extra for it, and even then it's easy to avoidGǥ.
So no, he demonstrates that it's not profitable. Anything else you want to be wrong about? Maybe you'd like to invent something that, as always, fails to prove your claim rather than try to change the subject? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
196
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:21:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Stop crying to CCP to do it for you, man up and do it yourself. We've been teaching you how to do so for months.
I could say same to you too.
My Skiff is still on station ready to be ganked when you are ready. |
Pipa Porto
1179
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:21:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Tippia wrote:This link shows Ruby demonstrating why a Hulk couldn't be ganked profitably. If you read it again you probably notice that Ruby demonstrates how you gank tanked Hulk profitably. Well, 2,5M / ganker but still profit.
Nope. There's no profit, there's just collecting a bounty. There's a difference. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Josef Djugashvilis
667
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:22:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Matriarch Prime wrote:Oh, I see that this has devolved into another miner qq thread. My apologies. Mining does have the biggest problem when it comes to risk so its not all that shocking its the one to come up. Even the most militant miner will admit its a very unexciting activity.
Militant miner?
oxymoron Always-átry to-áhave-áthe best day you can. |
Pipa Porto
1179
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:23:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Stop crying to CCP to do it for you, man up and do it yourself. We've been teaching you how to do so for months. I could say same to you too. My Skiff is still on station ready to be ganked when you are ready.
And like I keep saying, gankers don't do things to piss away their ISK just to be contrary.
Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:If you want to complain about "they'll bring more ships" find me the killmail a brick tanked Hulk that was Suicide Ganked. That's been done in many threads. You ignore those killmails or you just say damage taken is lower than 30k so it's not good enough.
Find Me. The Killmail. Of a Brick Tanked Hulk. That you Claim. We Ignore.
Or.
Stop.
Lying. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
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