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SETH KAIN
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.09 05:11:00 -
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Hello all. Just got done training all racial drone skills to V and wondering was all that really worth it!? 19 plus days apiece. Now thinking of training Autocannon Specialization to V. Am I a tool or just a complete tool? Seriously though, is it worth it? Thoughts? |
Velarra
Ghost Festival Naraka.
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Posted - 2012.10.09 05:26:00 -
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Do you use them regularly on the ships you fly?
If yes, then probably. |
SETH KAIN
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.09 05:33:00 -
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Yeah, I love the hurricane especially. Drones wasnt a hard choice. I fly the Pilgrim, Ishkur, Curse, Rattlesnake, etc. often enough to justify the training. |
Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
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Posted - 2012.10.09 10:55:00 -
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SETH KAIN wrote:Yeah, I love the hurricane especially. Drones wasnt a hard choice. I fly the Pilgrim, Ishkur, Curse, Rattlesnake, etc. often enough to justify the training.
I love drones and I do have nice skills for them, but still I find it unjustified to train all four racial drone skills to V.
Specially Amarr ones, TBH. |
Frank Millar
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:39:00 -
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I can not justify training for nearly 3 weeks for a 2% increase.
Not when there's so much else to train in other areas which gives more benefits in a shorter time.
But ymmv. If you got nothing else to train for, or if you just totally want to max out on your current playstyle, go for it. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2012.10.10 00:41:00 -
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Frank Millar wrote:I can not justify training for nearly 3 weeks for a 2% increase.
Not when there's so much else to train in other areas which gives more benefits in a shorter time.
But ymmv. If you got nothing else to train for, or if you just totally want to max out on your current playstyle, go for it. It drives me nuts that two of my friends have characters with so many skill points, that they don't care what they train next, and they have many holes in their skills-sets as a result.
Example: One of them is finishing off electronics, not the skill but the category (15+ days per skill) when they have level 1-3 in so many other skills that would make for a more rounded character. Get them to 4 first! Argh! |
Arkadelphia
Day Trippers
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Posted - 2012.10.15 03:58:00 -
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No...how I see it, 3 weeks is 3/4 a plex's game time...with prices now that's a around 400 mil isk worth of game time...just buy/LP exchange 3% implants. Only if you use one sized weapon system and nothing else to train; example just fly rifters so max small auto spec.. My three accounts with three combat toons training over 4-5 years, not one has a weapon specialization to five nor a drone spec to five..simply not worth the time. |
Dread Pirate Pete
Tribal Core Defiant Legacy
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Posted - 2012.10.15 07:11:00 -
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only if there isn't a bunch of useful skills with shorter training time you could train instead. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.10.15 11:12:00 -
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SETH KAIN wrote:Yeah, I love the hurricane especially. Drones wasnt a hard choice. I fly the Pilgrim, Ishkur, Curse, Rattlesnake, etc. often enough to justify the training.
Gallente and minmatar fair enough, but did you really train amarr.caldari spec 5?
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Mar Mite
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.16 10:30:00 -
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Arkadelphia wrote:No...how I see it, 3 weeks is 3/4 a plex's game time...with prices now that's a around 400 mil isk worth of game time...just buy/LP exchange 3% implants. Only if you use one sized weapon system and nothing else to train; example just fly rifters so max small auto spec.. My three accounts with three combat toons training over 4-5 years, not one has a weapon specialization to five nor a drone spec to five..simply not worth the time.
thank god its not just me...these threads often make me wonder if I am a complete jackass...or just a regular jackass. Based on this feedback, I am happy to report that I think I am just a bog standard, level 4 jackass. |
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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
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Posted - 2012.10.20 13:40:00 -
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I would say that eventually it is worth it. There comes a time when a level 5 skill is basically all that you need to make your ship completely maxed out, and it is fun to fly a completly maxed out AC tempest or Mach. |
Hakaimono
Stillwater Corporation
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Posted - 2012.10.23 05:21:00 -
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A complete shed of tools :P But seriously, make sure there isn't a better way to spend your training time first before training spec skills to V. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2012.10.23 07:16:00 -
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Hakaimono wrote:A complete shed of tools :P You must work at the same place I do. |
Demolishar
United Aggression
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Posted - 2012.10.23 12:03:00 -
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Yes |
Eofina
The Black Rabbits Academy The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2012.10.30 10:26:00 -
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When I was heavy focused on Frigate / Assault Frigate PvP I trained Small Auto-cannon Spec 5. My thought behind this was I wanted to be at peak performance. So many times that little extra damage could be the deciding point in a battle. Once putting my focus to Cruiser, and their advanced counterparts, I carried that philosophy to Medium Auto-cannons and Medium Artillery. The latter mainly for my Huggin / Rapier that I soloed in often. I knew those would carry over to the Battlecruisers, so I felt it was a doubly wise investment. Of course I also trained all the Gunnery Support Skills to 5, including AWU 5.
Once at the Battleship level I decided the time investment was no longer worth it, as I had begun to cross-train into other races. Again I trained Medium Blaster Spec. to 5 to aid with both Cruiser and Battlecruiser proficiency.
At this point I have all Turret Specs at 4 or above.
tl;dr
My basic thought pattern was, fly it to the best of it's ability. Those little percentages here and there add up. |
Robbie Robot
Three Radioactive Assault Fish Frigates Inc.
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Posted - 2012.10.31 04:22:00 -
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It should be the LAST skill to train that affects those cannons, like surgical strike, trajectory analysis, motion prediction, controlled bursts... |
Khaz Taron
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.31 12:42:00 -
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I stopped at 4 only cause I have so much else to train. It will be one of those in the long term or one I tag on the end of another skill to pad out over 24 hours. |
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ISD Cyberdyne
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.11.01 03:02:00 -
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As some have mentioned, if you fly with AC's a lot, it should be on your list, but frankly, as others have said, it should be down the list behind other skills you may want to look into first. At the end of the day, it's your call, but I'd see if there are faster, more important trains first.
2-ó ISD Cyberdyne Ensign Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Robbie Robot
Three Radioactive Assault Fish Frigates Inc.
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Posted - 2012.11.01 14:50:00 -
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The increase in DPS is 1.8519%. I'd buy an implant instead. |
SETH KAIN
GENCO OLIVE OIL INC
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Posted - 2012.11.01 15:53:00 -
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Thanks for all your replies. I completed medium Autocannon to V and decided to invest some time into my weaker Leadership skills. Maybe get off my a$# and get Command ships to V...... |
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:01:00 -
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Once you reach 130m+ SP those spec 5 skills are very tempting. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
Tarchus
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.11.04 21:30:00 -
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I got Large Autocannons Spec V. But only because i wanted to be a perfect Machariel pilot ( Perfect gunnery skills + Large Autocannon Spec V + Gallente and Minmatar Battleship V + 6% Implants for Autocannons: 6% Large projectile damage and 6% all turret damage ).
Only if you want to take this path and use the ship very often it's good to get Large autocannons spec V and you can afford the ISK for PLEX for those months training all those skills to V and if you can afford the 6% implants.
Otherwise don't waste your time in getting Large Autocannons Spec V |
SETH KAIN
GENCO OLIVE OIL INC
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Posted - 2012.11.06 04:10:00 -
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Nice toon Mashie! Tbh, I have no desire to train any of the cap skills either or else autocannon V could have waited. I do like the idea of having perfect ship skills for those ships I enjoy flying like the Curse or the Rattlesnake. Well, not yet perfect for the Rattlesnake because I dont have cruise missile spec. to V and dont plan to in the near future. The Drone specialization skills to V I could justify with all the drone ships I fly and they help in PVP and PVE. |
Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
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Posted - 2013.01.21 21:49:00 -
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SETH KAIN wrote:Nice toon Mashie! Tbh, I have no desire to train any of the cap skills either or else autocannon V could have waited. I do like the idea of having perfect ship skills for those ships I enjoy flying like the Curse or the Rattlesnake. Well, not yet perfect for the Rattlesnake because I dont have cruise missile spec. to V and dont plan to in the near future. The Drone specialization skills to V I could justify with all the drone ships I fly and they help in PVP and PVE.
Yes, but again, Amarr drone specialization V doesn't really help in PvP or PvE. No, really.
It's a month. A whole month of training. In the twenty-ish days (unless you remap memory/perception, which you shouldn't) it takes you to bring Amarr drone specialization to V, you could have almost maxed a racial Battleship to V, taken two sensor compensations to V, or trained all e-war skills to IV (primary and secondary).
Wasting a month for Amarr drone spec V is gimping your character. It's falling behind a whole month. The only Amarr drones worth a damn (and not really) are Curator II's...which don't even require the skill at all.
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Kurfin
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.23 14:04:00 -
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We can live in hope that the Amarr drones will one day get a buff. I've trained it to 5 on my alt, but only because he was mapped for drones and I had no intention of revisiting the Mem/Will map with him. |
Mister Tuggles
Faceless Men
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Posted - 2013.01.23 23:08:00 -
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SETH KAIN wrote:Hello all. Just got done training all racial drone skills to V and wondering was all that really worth it!? 19 plus days apiece. Now thinking of training Autocannon Specialization to V. Am I a tool or just a complete tool? Seriously though, is it worth it? Thoughts?
From someone who has been playing since 2006 (unless you recently bought the character or account) you should know better. Racial drone skills to 5 was a HORRID waste of training time imo. Especially seeing that you will normally only use Gal or Min drones...
That being said taking gunnery/missile specs to 5 is a pretty big waste of time IF you have anything else that is even remotely worth training. Those 3 weeks of training could get you so much more bang for your buck. That is taking a large gun system to t2 and their specs to 4 or taking a racial BS to 5.
You should get out of the mind set that taking a skill to 5 is something that needs to be done. Most skills I train I take to 4 unless they are needed to unlock an advanced skill or module. I mean, you just spent 100 days training all racial drone skills to 5... do you know how little impact that is going to make in any combat situation? |
Eternal Error
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2013.01.24 04:56:00 -
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I have all medium short range gun specs to 5, large blaster+large rail spec 5, and some assorted other small/medium specs to 5.
It's worth it if you use them and have plenty of sp.
EDIT: Two more things:
1.) Training drone specs that aren't gallente/minmatar to 5 is a total waste of time; they're terrible. 2.) Not sure what the hell else you guys are training, but unless you're going really heavy into capital warfare, I'd imagine you should start considering spec 5s around anywhere from 60-90m sp depending on how specialized you like to be... you guys throwing out numbers like 100-130 are way off base imo. |
Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
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Posted - 2013.01.24 08:30:00 -
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Mister Tuggles wrote:. I mean, you just spent 100 days training all racial drone skills to 5... do you know how little impact that is going to make in any combat situation?
It might actually be counterproductive.
Having Amarr drone Specialization V could make you forget they suck, you end up bringing Amarr light, medium or heavy drones to a fight and they contribute to your downfall.
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Shaemell Buttleson
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.25 21:21:00 -
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Frank Millar wrote:I can not justify training for nearly 3 weeks for a 2% increase.
Not when there's so much else to train in other areas which gives more benefits in a shorter time.
But ymmv. If you got nothing else to train for, or if you just totally want to max out on your current playstyle, go for it.
When you have been skill training for nearly 10 years without a break most of the training goes into these 2% gains.
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Frank Millar
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Posted - 2013.01.26 22:11:00 -
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Shaemell Buttleson wrote:Frank Millar wrote:I can not justify training for nearly 3 weeks for a 2% increase.
Not when there's so much else to train in other areas which gives more benefits in a shorter time.
But ymmv. If you got nothing else to train for, or if you just totally want to max out on your current playstyle, go for it. When you have been skill training for nearly 10 years without a break most of the training goes into these 2% gains. After nearly 10 years you'll run out of things to train, sure.
A lot of people, if not most, are not anywhere near that. So again, YMMV. |
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