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Arduemont
12 pound opinion
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Posted - 2013.09.29 16:45:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Baby ChuChu wrote:I don't think Ish, J3ss, Shalua, or anyone else for that matter, would really take vanity features over meaningful gameplay. I think they're just discussing it because 1. that stuff would be cool to have one day and 2. there's not much else going on in this thread worth discussing at the moment.
Since CCP isn't even remotely entertaining the idea of any sort of WiS at the moment, we have to do it ourselves. Customization is the maximum we can expect to get at the moment, as the Hallelujah Plan turns to be about nullsec space only. (No, it won't be nullsec as in sov-space, rather some sort of player-spawned space pockets accessible only through player-made gates; anyway, it will be 0.0 security and likely will be quite away and inaccessible from hisec).
I can't help but feel this new plan is very much the same as their old WiS plan.
"We're going to let Capsuleers explore NEW space!"
No one has said what the difference between this new space and all old space will be. We might end up with random systems that aren't any different to any other space where we can do the same things as we could in all the other system... BUT, it's technically our space.
Kind of like our Captains Quarters. It just seems like they're going to end up in the same place as they did before. With bugger all for their hype. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
313
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Posted - 2013.09.29 17:24:00 -
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Baby ChuChu wrote:I don't think Ish, J3ss, Shalua, or anyone else for that matter, would really take vanity features over meaningful gameplay.
Of course they would. That's exactly what they are asking for in this thread.
They are crying over robes ffs.
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
21335
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Posted - 2013.09.29 18:20:00 -
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Baby ChuChu wrote:2. there's not much else going on in this thread worth discussing at the moment. Not this thread and not this game. CCP made it pretty clear that their target group for the "future EVE" is narrowed down to low/null sec corps, faction warfare and SOV... so, "everything ship vs ship PvP"... not much else seams to be important to them at this point.
It's no big secret that WiS in combination with meaningful avatar gameplay (owning businesses on stations etc.) would have been aimed first and foremost at highsec and industrial/trading players... so CCPs new plan is basically not only a refusal to WiS, but to the whole "non ship to ship PvP" part of EVE, and it's players.
CCP seams to be only able to plan in extremes... they always seam to have to ignore one side of the game to focus on the other one... "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
313
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Posted - 2013.09.29 18:30:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:It's no big secret that WiS in combination with meaningful avatar gameplay (owning businesses on stations etc.) would have been aimed first and foremost at highsec and industrial/trading players... so CCPs new plan is basically not only a refusal to WiS, but to the whole "non ship to ship PvP" part of EVE, and it's players
The "non ship to ship PvP' part of Eve has never been stronger. There seem to be plenty of people out there mining, trading, building, inventing and shipping who don't need wizard robes or dance emotes to have fun in this game.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1982
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Posted - 2013.09.29 19:16:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Baby ChuChu wrote:2. there's not much else going on in this thread worth discussing at the moment. Not this thread and not this game. CCP made it pretty clear that their target group for the "future EVE" is narrowed down to low/null sec corps, faction warfare and SOV... so, "everything ship vs ship PvP"... not much else seams to be important to them at this point. It's no big secret that WiS in combination with meaningful avatar gameplay (owning businesses on stations etc.) would have been aimed first and foremost at highsec and industrial/trading players... so CCPs new plan is basically not only a refusal to WiS, but to the whole "non ship to ship PvP" part of EVE, and it's players. CCP seams to be only able to plan in extremes... they always seam to have to ignore one side of the game to focus on the other one...
Maybe they already made their minds and have given up to keep gaining new players, and so just leave that job to other games (World of Darkness, Valkyrie and maybe DUST 514) and instead focus EVE in preserving the existing player base with EVEr The Same. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
Mhax Arthie
133
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Posted - 2013.09.29 19:25:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Shalua Rui wrote:It's no big secret that WiS in combination with meaningful avatar gameplay (owning businesses on stations etc.) would have been aimed first and foremost at highsec and industrial/trading players... so CCPs new plan is basically not only a refusal to WiS, but to the whole "non ship to ship PvP" part of EVE, and it's players The "non ship to ship PvP' part of Eve has never been stronger. There seem to be plenty of people out there mining, trading, building, inventing and shipping who don't need wizard robes or dance emotes to have fun in this game. Avatar gameplay is not only about emotes and gudfait in Jita cantina, it's a whole new playstyle, a very dangerous one. Just imagine the havoc a group of marines could do by boarding an enemy ship during a huge fleet battle. Or infiltraring an enemy POS or station. But ofc this is vay too much for CCP, not even a whole decade would be enough to pull this out. Rebalancing dots in space over and over is much more convenient. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
901
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Posted - 2013.09.29 19:48:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Baby ChuChu wrote:I don't think Ish, J3ss, Shalua, or anyone else for that matter, would really take vanity features over meaningful gameplay. Of course they would. That's exactly what they are asking for in this thread. They are crying over robes ffs.
They also want a tank with fishes. The Tears Must Flow |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
21335
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Posted - 2013.09.29 20:08:00 -
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Mhax Arthie wrote:Avatar gameplay is not only about emotes and gudfait in Jita cantina, it's a whole new playstyle, a very dangerous one. Just imagine the havoc a group of marines could do by boarding an enemy ship during a huge fleet battle. Or infiltraring an enemy POS or station. But ofc this is vay too much for CCP, not even a whole decade would be enough to pull this out. Rebalancing dots in space over and over is much more convenient. True... sure, it would have been much easier to implement stuff like that, if EVE would have had been made with avatar game play of that magnitude in mind, in the first place... still, it wouldn't be impossible to implement, if CCP would be willing to really try it... alas, they aren't, and most likely never will be, ever again. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
336
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Posted - 2013.09.29 20:24:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Rhes wrote:Baby ChuChu wrote:I don't think Ish, J3ss, Shalua, or anyone else for that matter, would really take vanity features over meaningful gameplay. Of course they would. That's exactly what they are asking for in this thread. They are crying over robes ffs. They also want a tank with fishes. Whitch would destroy your game right? Protect yourself from CONCORD today! Tinfoil hats, quality product. Styled after pirate hats. |
J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
961
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Posted - 2013.09.29 20:37:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Baby ChuChu wrote:I don't think Ish, J3ss, Shalua, or anyone else for that matter, would really take vanity features over meaningful gameplay. Of course they would. That's exactly what they are asking for in this thread. They are crying over robes ffs.
if you hate WiS so much why do you even have an avatar? Should have left the silhouette space holder .. yet you went to the trouble of making your face and moustache and put clothes on and finding the background you liked . Ah hypocrisy, such an ugly beast. This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |
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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
961
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Posted - 2013.09.29 20:40:00 -
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Vaju Enki wrote:Rhes wrote:Baby ChuChu wrote:I don't think Ish, J3ss, Shalua, or anyone else for that matter, would really take vanity features over meaningful gameplay. Of course they would. That's exactly what they are asking for in this thread. They are crying over robes ffs. They also want a tank with fishes.
I wonder who will have the last laugh when we get our tank with fishes in another game that seems to be what WiS should have been like here. Because if you believe that it's all about the "tank with fishes, wizard robes and toilets" then you are sorely mistaken. This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-á Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
21335
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Posted - 2013.09.29 20:46:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Whitch would destroy your game right? Don't feed the troll...
...although, living on a diet of retalin and carebear tears can't be really healthy...
I changed my mind, FEED the troll! "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
68
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Posted - 2013.09.29 20:59:00 -
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..Hey, this Eve game looks pretty cool. Spaceships, sweet! Thousand of solar systems to explore and conquer! Space combat! Oh man, Wormholes! Now, if they just added planets we can walk on and Evac Suits and /dance emotes and fashion, this would be a pretty awesome game!
Cheese and Rice.
CCP: /History Channel Guy - Spaceships!
Eve the UNIVERSE is more then just spaceships. Its a long history and very content rich. I've read he booms and the chronicles. Its awesome, and I love it.
BUT!
Eve the VIDEO GAME is about spaceships. All the other stuff is just not practical. Sorry.
I have to laugh. CCP being CCP. Lets do WiS! Lets make a FPS! Lets make PANTS for the players avatars! Holy cow lets make EVACSUITS!! And looting! Gamers love looting!
Good thing Eve players are intelligent enough to knock CCP back on track whenever they forget that Eve is Spaceships. |
Arduemont
12 pound opinion
1940
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Posted - 2013.09.29 21:03:00 -
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Syds Sinclair wrote:..Hey, this Eve game looks pretty cool. Spaceships, sweet! Thousand of solar systems to explore and conquer! Space combat! Oh man, Wormholes! Now, if they just added planets we can walk on and Evac Suits and /dance emotes and fashion, this would be a pretty awesome game!
Cheese and Rice.
CCP: /History Channel Guy - Spaceships!
Eve the UNIVERSE is more then just spaceships. Its a long history and very content rich. I've read he booms and the chronicles. Its awesome, and I love it.
BUT!
Eve the VIDEO GAME is about spaceships. All the other stuff is just not practical. Sorry.
I have to laugh. CCP being CCP. Lets do WiS! Lets make a FPS! Lets make PANTS for the players avatars! Holy cow lets make EVACSUITS!! And looting! Gamers love looting!
Good thing Eve players are intelligent enough to knock CCP back on track whenever they forget that Eve is Spaceships.
I don't even... "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
320
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Posted - 2013.09.29 21:27:00 -
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J3ssica Alba wrote:if you hate WiS so much why do you even have an avatar? Should have left the silhouette space holder .. yet you went to the trouble of making your face and moustache and put clothes on and finding the background you liked . Ah hypocrisy, such an ugly beast.
When Incarna was released I gave it a shot. I logged in, created my new avatar and then logged in to my captain's quarters. I walked (very, very slowly) around my couch and then logged out. I realized that Eve had been neglected for two years for a really in-depth character creator and a room with a couch and I canceled all my subs. Once CCP apologized for almost destroying the game and promised to refocus on spaceship content I resubbed.
Unlike some people in this thread I spoke with my wallet. The only hypocrisy I see are people who say they can't enjoy this game without bathrobes and dance emotes but continue to pay (for multiple subs even!). |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
320
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Posted - 2013.09.29 21:32:00 -
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Mhax Arthie wrote:Avatar gameplay is not only about emotes and gudfait in Jita cantina, it's a whole new playstyle, a very dangerous one. Just imagine the havoc a group of marines could do by boarding an enemy ship during a huge fleet battle. Or infiltraring an enemy POS or station. But ofc this is vay too much for CCP, not even a whole decade would be enough to pull this out. Rebalancing dots in space over and over is much more convenient.
Based on what was released for Incarna, the complete failure of Dust and the lack of progress on WoD do you really believe CCP has the ability to add that type of gameplay to Eve without once again neglecting the core gameplay that the game was founded upon?
Listen, I like CCP a lot as a company and I really enjoy their spaceship mmo. That's why I don't want to see them get misled by a small handful of people who think Eve is something it's not.
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
21335
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Posted - 2013.09.29 21:46:00 -
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Syds Sinclair wrote:Good thing Eve players are intelligent enough to knock CCP back on track whenever they forget that Eve is Spaceships. Pity, said players also knock off some of their own, each time that happens... but yea, necessary sacrifices, right?
No matter... pretty soon EVE will be the only (successful) spaceship game that is JUST about spaceships... hope all you intelligent players will be happy then.
...vision is scary. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Feature ideas I had/endorse: Crew Managment, Orcas as mobile Bases |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
321
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Posted - 2013.09.29 21:53:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:No matter... pretty soon EVE will be the only (successful) spaceship game that is JUST about spaceships... hope all you intelligent players will be happy then. ...vision is scary.
We are already happy and we're also excited about CCP's vision for the future of Eve. I feel bad for people who are too narrow-minded to see that vision even if it lacks dance emotes and bathrobes.
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
147
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Posted - 2013.09.29 23:53:00 -
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We use bathrobes and emotes only in Second Lyfe and LoL guyz! EVE is spaceshipz |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
321
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Posted - 2013.09.30 00:02:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:We use bathrobes and emotes only in Second Lyfe and LoL guyz! EVE is spaceshipz
Now you're getting it.
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Syds Sinclair
Aliastra Gallente Federation
70
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Posted - 2013.09.30 00:02:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Syds Sinclair wrote:Good thing Eve players are intelligent enough to knock CCP back on track whenever they forget that Eve is Spaceships. Pity, said players also knock off some of their own, each time that happens... but yea, necessary sacrifices, right? No matter... pretty soon EVE will be the only (successful) spaceship game that is JUST about spaceships... hope all you intelligent players will be happy then. ...vision is scary.
..I'm assuming that you think Star Citizen is going to be the Eve Killer. How original.
I played WoW off and on over the years (flame on!) and every so often, angry WoW players would hype whatever new MMO that was on the horizon as "The WoW Killer.". Anyone remember any of those games? They killed WoW, right?
Let's revisit some:
Fury CAoR Rift GW2 WHO (Warhammer online. WoW bittervets dubbed it WoW. Waiting On Warhammer. It was a long wait. Aion SW:TOR
And I'm sure I'm missing a few. Which one killed WoW? None, you say? That's right, and there is a reason for that.
WoW was established, with many patches of content. Each and every MMO had to walk straight up to the big beefy king and try to dethrone him. But they lacked the years of content, and it was not economically feasible to postpone the game(s) until they had enough content to rival the king.
How bout Eve? Oh yeah, 10 years of content. 10 yeas as the only spaceship on the block. 10 years of what works and what doesn't. 10 years of history that has gotten the mainstream news coverage! Hell, even Glen Beck accused the Goons of being a CIA team! Glen Beck. Eve. Goons. National prime time TV!
But back to WoW. What's that you say? WoW IS dying? Something MUST have killed WoW,so Eve too, can be slain?
Well, gentle carebears, like usual, you are half right.
WoW IS dying. It was defiantly slain. But it wasn't a murder. It was suicide. WoW killed itself by introducing content that drastically conflicted with the established player base. They didn't listen to the criticism from their community, they would not be talked down off the ledge.
Pandas = Walking in station.
To CCP. You have made a great game that is loved by many. You have grown your company from a small Icelandic startup to a international and well respected powerhouse. You have offices and staff members in many different countries. You have a lot of very nice assets.
Never forget your most valuable asset. The passionate capsuleers who are your voice of reason. Well tell ya when your bein stupid.
*Edit. iPads and Forums don't play nice. |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
148
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Posted - 2013.09.30 00:29:00 -
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Yes CCP, we'll tell you when your being stupid! And btw if you guys in Iceland want to play OUR game too you can subscribe by giving us some special spaceships and isk loads ingame.
Dont make me shoot ze statue CCP!!! |
Lateris
40
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Posted - 2013.09.30 02:30:00 -
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MY only feedback for an Eve MMO-RPG with "avatars" is to make a separate game that ties into Eve Online. A full fedged MMO_RPG for Eve Avatars only separate from this client\game. Same system, same engine, but heavily scripted for avatars and the lifespan of a avatar. A sandbox made for the societies of Eve Online amongdt the politicians, the working class, the scientist, and even other ends of New Edens ecceltic sociies.
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Soulpirate
Interstellar Booty Hunters
310
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Posted - 2013.09.30 02:50:00 -
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Lateris wrote:MY only feedback for an Eve MMO-RPG with "avatars" is to make a separate game that ties into Eve Online. A full fedged MMO_RPG for Eve Avatars only separate from this client\game. Same system, same engine, but heavily scripted for avatars and the lifespan of a avatar. A sandbox made for the societies of Eve Online amongdt the politicians, the working class, the scientist, and even other ends of New Edens ecceltic sociies.
Great idea!
Lets make a separate VR spaceship game with hands on flight controls, then lets make a separate avatar game for social interaction and RP, then lets make a separate game with avatar FPS play..... and they can all tie in to the game that has a deacades old graphical view of spaceships and we can call it a "universe".
Or we can go play a fresh new take on "internet spaceships" that combines all that in one login, on one platform. |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2013.09.30 03:47:00 -
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Soulpirate wrote:Or we can go play a fresh new take on "internet spaceships" that combines all that in one login, on one platform.
I think this is a fantastic idea for anybody who can't play an internet spaceship game without dress-up Barbie attached. |
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
148
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Posted - 2013.09.30 03:57:00 -
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Rhes wrote:I think this is a fantastic idea for anybody who can't play an internet spaceship game without dress-up Barbie attached.
Its a fantastic idea for people that want a real space simulator sci-fi mmorpg and not tiny squares and spreadsheets. |
Rhes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2013.09.30 03:59:00 -
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raven666wings wrote:Its a fantastic idea for people that want a real space simulator sci-fi mmorpg and not tiny squares and spreadsheets.
If people feel this way about Eve I have to question why they are paying a subscription fee for it.
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
148
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Posted - 2013.09.30 04:04:00 -
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Rhes wrote: If people feel this way about Eve I have to question why they are paying a subscription fee for it.
Lol unsubbed 2 years ago when Incarna plan was dropped |
Flamespar
Woof Club
758
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Posted - 2013.09.30 05:57:00 -
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There is an interesting article on Jester's Trek about the success of recent expansions http://jestertrek.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/feast-and-famine.html
It's interesting that according to his analysis that not only was Incarna was generally a major failure (a fact which nobody disputes). But it's interesting that Inferno was also a major failure and Odyssey is shaping up to be pretty meh as well.
Pointing the finger at a single feature (ie Avatars) and screaming hysterically that they are going to 'doom' EVE is sheer idiocy and comes from lazy blinkered analysis.
Now let's wait for the senseless wild-eyed arm-flapping high-pitched retort from our very own goon squad. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
1990
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Posted - 2013.09.30 07:00:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:There is an interesting article on Jester's Trek about the success of recent expansions http://jestertrek.blogspot.com.au/2013/09/feast-and-famine.htmlIt's interesting that according to his analysis that not only was Incarna was generally a major failure (a fact which nobody disputes). But it's interesting that Inferno was also a major failure and Odyssey is shaping up to be pretty meh as well. Pointing the finger at a single feature (ie Avatars) and screaming hysterically that they are going to 'doom' EVE is sheer idiocy and comes from lazy blinkered analysis. Now let's wait for the senseless wild-eyed arm-flapping high-pitched retort from our very own goon squad.
Well, and then take into account that barely holding the pre-Incursion PCU is taking a massive effort, reselling the game to former and existing players... and without that life support, the trend woud be clearly downwards.
And my question is: WHO is leaving the game?
It is very tempting to answer: The ones who are not being attended by CCP.
It may be wrong. Maybe it's the ungrateful bastids who leave the game, albeit they are vocally satisfied with the "asploding spreadsheets" approach.
But provided how I am unsubscribed, oldbutfeelingyoung is unsubscribed, raven666wings is unsubscribed, and God knows who else is running accounts on PLEX/discounts/anything but handing out 15 euros each month to CCP, plus all the people who started the thread and no longer can be seen merely a year later, maybe there is a pattern of "not getting love = not subscribing". The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden! |
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