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Jhedon Arkaral
T.O.P. The One Percent LLC
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Posted - 2012.10.10 07:27:00 -
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Hi folks, I recently ran into a problem with a veteran player demanding millions of ISK based on my participation in rookie channel. The problem was trivial until it crossed over to the Extortion of ISK from rookies. I talked with an ISD that stated its not a problem he can deal with.
Here's the rundown:
"RookieVet" chats up a storm in rookie channel and gains the trust of many new players while tracking all players that are in the channel. All players in the channel are 30 day or less accounts, so basically "easy" kills. The "cover" for this operation is to help the rookies by giving suggestions on gameplay and generally gain the trust of all that are paying attention. This will allow for better "casing" of rookies that are possible targets for ISK extortion. The domination of chatting will also give you the chance to spot any Vets in channel that you should avoid. This works best if you have some help from others in the operation, which should not be hard given the large sums of ISK you can extort from rookie players.
When you find a target to kill, send "deathmail" demanding ISK in millions or constant kills by an outside merc. The merc should also declare wardecc if the target has a player corp, this is your favorite target. The merc should also have a high damage ship ready to kill players doing mining or hauling activity so that CONCORD will not reach them before the kill. The targeting of player corps makes the CONCORD problem trivial. The main use of the merc is to make sure the targetted rookie is shaken up by the kill and will find his situation hopeless unless paying the Millions of ISK demand. Notification to the target is necessary after a confirmed kill is made to assure that you plan to lock down the target in their station they are using. This will further make the target willing to pay your extortion to allow them to operate in their desired area.
The rookie channel will not allow this activity to happen in channel so nobody can actually discuss the events that transpire in that channel and you are free to gather ISK per week. Always extort more ISK than the merc is required to make the kill.
Solution: Having said all this, the only solution to this problem seems to be making rookie channel voluntary or buy an account and wait 30 days before creating a character to avoid the spectre of rookie channel extortionist. At the time of this post, I understand that Eve won't change this problem, so it's free game to exploit ! |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2012.10.10 07:34:00 -
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This seems like a very convoluted plan for little gain and since it targets people in player corps, why aren't they getting help from their corp mates? Nothing really suggests, that the people extorting are any real threat to a normal player corp, so this sounds more like a stupidity tax than anything else. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1055
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Posted - 2012.10.10 07:41:00 -
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Thought this was about some serious new illegal scam against new players, until I got to...
Jhedon Arkaral wrote:which should not be hard given the large sums of ISK you can extort from rookie players. That, and then everything you said afterwards makes me question your own understanding of what you're talking about. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
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Posted - 2012.10.10 07:47:00 -
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Not an exploit. |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2012.10.10 07:47:00 -
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Jhedon Arkaral wrote:... given the large sums of ISK you can extort from rookie players. "Give me 100K ISK or I'mma blow you up!"
Damn, this sounds like better income than Faction Warfare plexing. Caldari Militia |
Ferahgo
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.
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Posted - 2012.10.10 08:07:00 -
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Why didn't I think of this.... The genius of some players will continue to amaze me. Time to camp rookie help for these illusive rich newbies |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
359
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Posted - 2012.10.10 08:57:00 -
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MinefieldS wrote:Not an exploit. It is disallowed, even if it's not an exploit. But I doubt it would happen. |
Xolve
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.10 09:19:00 -
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Separating fools from their money is a favorite past time, not an exploit.
Welcome to EVE, hope you brought Kleenex. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
Holy One
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.10.10 10:48:00 -
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This is absolutely disgusting. Wow. Petitioned. |
Hiro Ceffoe
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.10 11:00:00 -
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To what end...
This is pretty silly, it's tantamount to mugging kids outside the local school, sure it's easy, but they don't have any money and you have to answer lots of stupid questions like, why are you mugging me and why are you so horrid, etc.
Got to be more ISK to be made elsewhere for the time investment, also less whining. |
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Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
376
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Posted - 2012.10.10 11:04:00 -
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Jhedon Arkaral wrote:Millions of ISK
I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1058
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Posted - 2012.10.10 11:05:00 -
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Hiro Ceffoe wrote:To what end...
This is pretty silly, it's tantamount to mugging kids outside the local school, sure it's easy, but they don't have any money and you have to answer lots of stupid questions like, why are you mugging me and why are you so horrid, etc.
Got to be more ISK to be made elsewhere for the time investment, also less whining. About a dozen delinquent teenagers/gangbangers beat the **** out of me for my bike when I was eight years old. So yeah, it happens.
And now I'm playing EVE. Huh. Who woulda thunk it... (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9822
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Posted - 2012.10.10 11:09:00 -
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Hiro Ceffoe wrote:To what end... I suppose scamming people for millions might be fun when the billions become boring in much the same way as flying frigates is more fun than battleshipsGǪ
That said, where's the exploit? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Brooks Puuntai
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
863
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Posted - 2012.10.10 11:10:00 -
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Trying to bait and scam newbies is usually frowned upon and in some cases even against the rules. Especially using Rookie Chat. |
Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
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Posted - 2012.10.10 11:20:00 -
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Tippia wrote:I suppose scamming people for millions might be fun when the billions become boring in much the same way as flying frigates is more fun than battleshipsGǪ Got that right! Just the other day I spent almost an hour probing down abandoned drones. I only made 9mil, but I felt like a winner! |
Barakkus
1767
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Posted - 2012.10.10 11:34:00 -
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Just how much isk do you expect new players to have? http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2774
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Posted - 2012.10.10 11:39:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:Just how much isk do you expect new players to have?
OP wrote:When you find a target to kill, send "deathmail" demanding ISK in millions or constant kills by an outside merc.
ISK in MILLIONS!!! |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
786
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Posted - 2012.10.10 11:45:00 -
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Jhedon Arkaral wrote:Hi folks, I recently ran into a problem with a veteran player demanding millions of ISK based on my participation in rookie channel
If what you are just say'in here is right and can be proved with logs/screen shots/mails then no need to make dissertation about it any longer. Petition GM and this guy will simply get the perma ban stick. It's absolutely "verbotten" to ask isk from noobs or whoever in that channel for/by whatever reason, scam, grief etc.
This was already stated by CCP not long ago, the one thinking about trying to mess with rookies, rookie systems or help channel better think twice because once is done there's no excuse or even possible discussion, it's "Ban" for the winner and nothing else.
So, just do it and don't even mind with fake discussions whatever, there's no discussion to have with this kind of jerk. Petition and make sort he gets the ban it deserves. brb |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
161
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Posted - 2012.10.10 11:49:00 -
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Petition the guy, newbies are awesome.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1058
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Posted - 2012.10.10 11:49:00 -
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You know they give out multiple warnings before going for bans, and even then the first few will be temporary.
Also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTmXHvGZiSY (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Kari Juptris
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.10.10 13:30:00 -
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They're pretty serious about protecting the newbies in the rookie help channel. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
717
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Posted - 2012.10.10 13:39:00 -
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WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN Nothing Found |
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ISD Athechu
ISD STAR
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Posted - 2012.10.10 14:56:00 -
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Jhedon Arkaral wrote:Hi folks, I recently ran into a problem with a veteran player demanding millions of ISK based on my participation in rookie channel. The problem was trivial until it crossed over to the Extortion of ISK from rookies. I talked with an ISD that stated its not a problem he can deal with.
Here's the rundown:
"RookieVet" chats up a storm in rookie channel and gains the trust of many new players while tracking all players that are in the channel. All players in the channel are 30 day or less accounts, so basically "easy" kills. The "cover" for this operation is to help the rookies by giving suggestions on gameplay and generally gain the trust of all that are paying attention. This will allow for better "casing" of rookies that are possible targets for ISK extortion. The domination of chatting will also give you the chance to spot any Vets in channel that you should avoid. This works best if you have some help from others in the operation, which should not be hard given the large sums of ISK you can extort from rookie players.
When you find a target to kill, send "deathmail" demanding ISK in millions or constant kills by an outside merc. The merc should also declare wardecc if the target has a player corp, this is your favorite target. The merc should also have a high damage ship ready to kill players doing mining or hauling activity so that CONCORD will not reach them before the kill. The targeting of player corps makes the CONCORD problem trivial. The main use of the merc is to make sure the targetted rookie is shaken up by the kill and will find his situation hopeless unless paying the Millions of ISK demand. Notification to the target is necessary after a confirmed kill is made to assure that you plan to lock down the target in their station they are using. This will further make the target willing to pay your extortion to allow them to operate in their desired area.
The rookie channel will not allow this activity to happen in channel so nobody can actually discuss the events that transpire in that channel and you are free to gather ISK per week. Always extort more ISK than the merc is required to make the kill.
Solution: Having said all this, the only solution to this problem seems to be making rookie channel voluntary or buy an account and wait 30 days before creating a character to avoid the spectre of rookie channel extortionist. At the time of this post, I understand that Eve won't change this problem, so it's free game to exploit !
Hello Jhedon Arkaral,
I'm Commander Athechu from ISD:STAR one of the In-Game ISD you might see working in the Help channels. I did some poking/discussion and based on experience this is what I would say.
Based on my experience Rookie Pilots are typically protected against such actions; but again each case is handled individually and as they are reported to the GM team. While ISD cannot do anything about this privately GMs can and it's highly recommended that you file a petition or submit an email and report this. File a petition under F12 > Petition > Rules & Policies > Harassment.
The Rookie Help channel is there to help not be a place for those to extort ISK from pilots. Using it in this way is against the Channel Rules as well as the EULA.
On an additional note I did inform the appropriate people about this thread too.
I hope that helps a little bit.
If you have any more questions don't hesitate to mail me in-game. ISD Athechu Commander ISD STAR (Support Training and Resources) EVE New Citizens Q&A Resources |
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De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade Intrepid Crossing
395
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Posted - 2012.10.10 17:25:00 -
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You'd make more money in less time running missions. What is wrong with these people? Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |
Jeremy Soikutsu
Homeworld Republic Intrepid Crossing
2
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Posted - 2012.10.10 17:39:00 -
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Who says you can't case people in rookie chat while running missions?
Also low end mining is pretty good right now, so if you pushed noobs the right way you could squeeze them for 100M+ pretty easily. |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Exhale.
156
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Posted - 2012.10.10 17:51:00 -
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Seems like a lot of work for marginal profit... I'll stick to w-space. ~Boredom Breeds Direction~ |
Xolve
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
1156
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Posted - 2012.10.10 19:10:00 -
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Proclus Diadochu wrote:Seems like a lot of work for marginal profit... I'll stick to w-space.
W-Space seems like too much work for not enough profit.
I'll stick to killing freighters.
Let the Hyperbolic arguments commence. Inappropriate signature removed. Navigator. |
highonpop
Eve Liberation Force Fatal Ascension
349
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Posted - 2012.10.10 19:14:00 -
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rookies have millions of ISK to give away?
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R.I.P Vile Rat http://evemaps.dotlan.net/live/Outpost/Rename/2012-09-12 |
Attor
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.10.10 19:23:00 -
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This sounds too stupid to be real. Isn't the rookie channel filled with pilots crapping themselves with joy because they can finally afford a cruiser? |
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