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LT Alter
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
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Posted - 2012.10.13 19:59:00 -
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Natsett Amuinn wrote:You're mad that you can't find small gang pvp or that you think you can't suicide gank miners?
And you're mad that people choose to play a certian way; soEVE isn't a sandbox?
Did I understand correctly?
Nope, notice not a single mention of resentment towards upcoming changes. I'm mad that CCP is planning on structuring the sandbox and thus making it not a sandbox. Not to mention the fact that their plan for this system will cause major issues that will eventually lead to crashing in game economy and plex prices leading to drop in subs, crash in amount of PVP and by the time everything is fixed if Eve is still even around it will be limping very badly. Do not misinterpret my reasoning on posting this thread. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1184
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Posted - 2012.10.13 21:38:00 -
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Arduemont wrote:http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png
There. Apparently its in a small dip at the moment, as there usually is just before a expansion release. Business as usual, I see no fail cascade like you seem to think there is. Seriously, you could have looked this **** up. Instead you blabbed to the forums, about stuff you really know nothing about and then get pissed off at all the people contradicting you. Unlike my friend here, I don't think EVE is yet heading in the direction of death. I do, however, see a problem with the sub count going up while the average player count on TQ is going down (slightly). The upcoming changes will only exasperate this trend.
When you think about it, EVE is quite possibly the only MMO that downright necessitates the usage of alt accounts. I've never played another game that needed players to have more than one account to be effective.
Alter, learn to quote more than once per post, seriously. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
LT Alter
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
30
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Posted - 2012.10.13 21:44:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Arduemont wrote:http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png
There. Apparently its in a small dip at the moment, as there usually is just before a expansion release. Business as usual, I see no fail cascade like you seem to think there is. Seriously, you could have looked this **** up. Instead you blabbed to the forums, about stuff you really know nothing about and then get pissed off at all the people contradicting you. Unlike my friend here, I don't think EVE is yet heading in the direction of death. I do, however, see a problem with the sub count going up while the average player count on TQ is going down (slightly). The upcoming changes will only exasperate this trend. When you think about it, EVE is quite possibly the only MMO that downright necessitates the usage of alt accounts. I've never played another game that needed players to have more than one account to be effective. Alter, learn to quote more than once per post, seriously.
But posting more = more bumpage NTM I'm lazy.... |
Red Teufel
Blackened Skies Nulli Secunda
79
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Posted - 2012.10.13 21:53:00 -
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oh noes pvp in highsec will now come with risks? why ccp why! I hate loosing my ships especially to those darn carebears. guess i'll have to join some uber 0.0 pvp corp...oh wait i'm in one allready. i guess you guys will have to join my corp. |
Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
134
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Posted - 2012.10.13 22:19:00 -
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LT Alter wrote:Herr Hammer Draken wrote:I completely stand by what I said. I did not play your eve, I could have but chose not to. Recent changes got me to play eve. And I bet there are a lot more like me out there as well. And no not ex wow players. That is not a game I ever had interest in. You're missing the point, this new Eve you are coming is not the same game that has survived for years and gained playerbase steadily since it's release. It may be better in your mind for the moment, and let it be known I do not think eve should go back to the past. I want eve to stand by what it was founded to be, a sandbox, and massive killzone, a no place is safe, that is the game we all want to play and as long as CCP endorses this type of Game I will be happy as will many others. Now go look, what do you see. This is not what Eve is becoming, they are starting to place more restrictions and making high sec a safe zone.
I do not see it that way at all. What I see is risk for the criminals that have preyed upon high sec in absolute safety. Up til now a criminal could fly around in absolute safety in high sec as long as his sec status was above -5 and could take his time and size up a target. What I am saying is he had all the factors under his control while he executed his profession. That is not a sandbox for that player IMHO. He is free to force sandbox on everybody else. I see this as a balance which makes the hunter also hunted. I have heard it said but he looses his ship to concord and that is risk. I say BS that is calculated into the equation already before the gank happens. The ganker does not gank until he knows he will come out ahead. That is not risk at all. That is a sandbox in only one direction. Now we have a real sandbox. That is why I am in this game now. Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet" |
Karrl Tian
Star-Trackers
5
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Posted - 2012.10.14 00:04:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:
When you think about it, EVE is quite possibly the only MMO that downright necessitates the usage of alt accounts. I've never played another game that needed players to have more than one account to be effective.
When did EVE ever require alts to be effective? |
LT Alter
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
30
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Posted - 2012.10.14 02:19:00 -
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Red Teufel wrote:oh noes pvp in highsec will now come with risks? why ccp why! I hate loosing my ships especially to those darn carebears. guess i'll have to join some uber 0.0 pvp corp...oh wait i'm in one allready. i guess you guys will have to join my corp.
I haven't mentioned one thing about this, I have no idea where you are getting this thought that I care about the changes being made in Retribution. I am merely expressing the fact that I believe what CCP plan on doing will cause their game to essentially die, very soon. |
LT Alter
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
30
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Posted - 2012.10.14 02:21:00 -
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Karrl Tian wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:
When you think about it, EVE is quite possibly the only MMO that downright necessitates the usage of alt accounts. I've never played another game that needed players to have more than one account to be effective.
When did EVE ever require alts to be effective?
To be good? You don't need one, to be effective then yes you need one, two, or 14 alts like me. |
Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
89
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Posted - 2012.10.14 02:36:00 -
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nice troll of OP.. posting without substance and getting replies too.. kudos! |
LT Alter
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
31
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Posted - 2012.10.14 02:59:00 -
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Tres Farmer wrote:nice troll of OP.. posting without substance and getting replies too.. kudos!
Substance is the discussion on my statements, read the pages and you will see more backing on each of my statements. |
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Karrl Tian
Star-Trackers
5
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Posted - 2012.10.14 04:07:00 -
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LT Alter wrote:Karrl Tian wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:
When you think about it, EVE is quite possibly the only MMO that downright necessitates the usage of alt accounts. I've never played another game that needed players to have more than one account to be effective.
When did EVE ever require alts to be effective? To be good? You don't need one, to be effective then yes you need one, two, or 14 alts like me.
Effective at what? |
usrevenge
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2012.10.14 04:45:00 -
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eve isn't dieing. |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
1343
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Posted - 2012.10.14 05:20:00 -
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LT Alter wrote:
You are plain and simple the dumbest person to post on this thread.
Actually I think you didn't get enough oxygen at birth. You repeat yourself over and over but fail to produce a single line of any kind of proof that would support your argument.
Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
LT Alter
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
31
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Posted - 2012.10.14 05:21:00 -
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Karrl Tian wrote:LT Alter wrote:Karrl Tian wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:
When you think about it, EVE is quite possibly the only MMO that downright necessitates the usage of alt accounts. I've never played another game that needed players to have more than one account to be effective.
When did EVE ever require alts to be effective? To be good? You don't need one, to be effective then yes you need one, two, or 14 alts like me. Effective at what?
Everything, more alts = more income, more effective pvp, more everything really. Just one alt can allow you to do just about everything better. |
LT Alter
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
31
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Posted - 2012.10.14 05:22:00 -
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Roime wrote:LT Alter wrote:
You are plain and simple the dumbest person to post on this thread.
Actually I think you didn't get enough oxygen at birth. You repeat yourself over and over but fail to produce a single line of any kind of proof that would support your argument.
Actually I think you are blind, and your brain didn't develop properly through your childhood because I have explained my claims in depth over the discussion of this thread, read and you will learn. |
LT Alter
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
31
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Posted - 2012.10.14 05:24:00 -
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usrevenge wrote:eve isn't dieing.
Sure, you are one of those being babied by CCP. Go ahead, trust they are doing what is best for the game... 1 year from now you will think everything is great 2 years from now it will all burn in a fire and you will never understand what happened. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9880
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Posted - 2012.10.14 07:09:00 -
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Ugh. Why do people always try to invent such easily debunked data to GÇ£proveGÇ¥ their assertions?
LT Alter wrote: Look up the logged in player charts, there is your example.
Logged in players show that we're currently recovering from a dip that took place back in spring, and that before that, the game was recovering from the Incursion/Incarna apocalypse.
Quote:2008 we have about 40,000 on about everyday, and 60,000 on the weekends GǪif by 40,000 you mean 30,000 and by 60,000 you mean 40,000. The PCU record at the time was 42.6k in March and 43.7k by December. It was never regularly in the 60k+ (that was approached only by two tournament-fuelled PCU records, once in June 2010 and once in January 2011, hot on the heels of two GÇö very briefly, but quickly crashing GÇö crowd-pleasing expansions).
So no, this invention of yours does not provide any kind of example or proof that the sanbox is declining. Any other facts of history you'd like to alter? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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SketS47
Alpha Intellectual Military Solutions
0
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Posted - 2012.10.14 09:38:00 -
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I agree with OP, CCP is making very critical mistakes other (now dead) mmo's have made before.
They are making things to easy, to comfortable and without challenge.
On another note; I found this great game called Hello Kitty Online its almost like eve, but than challenging and the end-game is like lvl's and stuff instead of isk farming. |
Kinis Deren
EVE University Ivy League
70
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Posted - 2012.10.14 10:04:00 -
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I'm confused and yah, that isn't an unfamiliar condition to find myself in
OP, you state that the sandbox is likely to suffer a terminal decline with the upcoming expansion(s). How so? Can you give specific examples that illustrate how your game style choices are likely to be prohibited? |
Karrl Tian
Star-Trackers
5
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Posted - 2012.10.14 13:48:00 -
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LT Alter wrote:Karrl Tian wrote:LT Alter wrote:Karrl Tian wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:
When you think about it, EVE is quite possibly the only MMO that downright necessitates the usage of alt accounts. I've never played another game that needed players to have more than one account to be effective.
When did EVE ever require alts to be effective? To be good? You don't need one, to be effective then yes you need one, two, or 14 alts like me. Effective at what? Everything, more alts = more income, more effective pvp, more everything really. Just one alt can allow you to do just about everything better.
Yeah, you're right ... the ability to PLEX multiple accounts probably did more damage to this game than any other buff/nerf/added feature ever could (and that includes Incarna). |
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Bane Necran
522
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Posted - 2012.10.14 14:08:00 -
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TL;DR: if people who are terrible at PvP can't grief the defenseless it will spell doom for this game.
Anyone who just wants to attack the weak and powerless should probably quit anyway. Go join a WoW server and camp low level players with their max level elf or whatever. I'd like to see PvP in EVE become more about the strong fighting the strong, instead of the strong ganging up on noobs. Seriously, that **** is pathetic. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham
Totally quitting this time for sure, maybe. |
LT Alter
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
31
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Posted - 2012.10.14 16:29:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:TL;DR: if people who are terrible at PvP can't grief the defenseless it will spell doom for this game.
Anyone who just wants to attack the weak and powerless should probably quit anyway. Go join a WoW server and camp low level players with their max level elf or whatever. I'd like to see PvP in EVE become more about the strong fighting the strong, instead of the strong ganging up on noobs. Seriously, that **** is pathetic.
I quit attacking the weak and powerless about a year ago, it got boring. If you stopped to pay attention some of the best pvpers live in high sec because they are sick of low/null sec. If I was complaining about not being able to kill noobs I would have said more about the upcoming changes, instead I haven't really mentioned them at all. I'm only expressing my fear that Eve will die because CCP are making terrible decisions with their game. |
LT Alter
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
31
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Posted - 2012.10.14 16:30:00 -
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Karrl Tian wrote: Yeah, you're right ... the ability to PLEX multiple accounts probably did more damage to this game than any other buff/nerf/added feature ever could (and that includes Incarna).
No, it probably helped this game quite a bit. There is no damage in having alts, it merely skews what people think are lone subscribers that are actually part of a group of alts. While eve may be growing in subs, it isn't growing in players as much as most people think. |
Idris Helion
University of Caille Gallente Federation
169
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Posted - 2012.10.14 16:43:00 -
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Actual human players at any given moment? Probably more like 18-20K, given that just about everyone uses at least one alt (and some four, or five, or ten). That's why I always roll my eyes a bit at those fleet battles out in nullsec -- what you really have are about ten or fifteen guys dual- or triple-boxing. I'd bet that about 70% of all EVE corps are composed of a main and some alts.
EVE's population may seem static, but I think it's true that the actual number of subscribers has fallen over the years. It's just that all the extra accounts pad out the numbers. And really, that's hardly surprising: EVE is coming up on a decade old. That's an incredibly long time for a game to remain viable.
Tippia wrote:Ugh. Why do people always try to invent such easily debunked data to GÇ£proveGÇ¥ their assertions? LT Alter wrote: Look up the logged in player charts, there is your example.
Logged in players show that we're currently recovering from a dip that took place back in spring, and that before that, the game was recovering from the Incursion/Incarna apocalypse. Quote:2008 we have about 40,000 on about everyday, and 60,000 on the weekends GǪif by 40,000 you mean 30,000 and by 60,000 you mean 40,000. The PCU record at the time was 42.6k in March and 43.7k by December. It was never regularly in the 60k+ (that was approached only by two tournament-fuelled PCU records, once in June 2010 and once in January 2011, hot on the heels of two GÇö very briefly, but quickly crashing GÇö crowd-pleasing expansions). So no, this invention of yours does not provide any kind of example or proof that the sanbox is declining. Any other facts of history you'd like to alter?
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
148
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Posted - 2012.10.14 19:36:00 -
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LT Alter wrote:Roime wrote:LT Alter wrote:
Criminal key word, yet they protect all of those who wish not to pvp.
Nope CONCORD protects those I wish to fight
Are you really that blind? CONCORD protects you from people you don't want to fight, that is the reason you are in hisec, with the other carebears. And you don't wish to "fight" anybody, if you would, you would embrace this expansion as it makes white knighting possible, giving you more opponents. YOU were protected by CONCORD from these people who wanted to fight you, now they have a switch that causes CONCORD to look the other way for 15 minutes. Which means that Retribution is less safe to you, carebear. Quote:wrong again hi sec accounts for a lot of pvp and has massive effect on null, much more than you see to realize. RvB accounts for most of the PVP in hisec, rest is insignificant and whole EVE is laughing at you. Quote:No I will not I've lived in null and low and I hate it.
Your biased report on the way eve works is unimpressive and bores me. You hate something, and suddenly my report is biased Are you Taranius de Consolville? You still haven't presented a single proof to support your weak arguments, just chicken-little omgomgomgeveisdying whining. Man up, bud. You are plain and simple the dumbest person to post on this thread.
besides you, obviously. |
Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
346
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Posted - 2012.10.14 20:15:00 -
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SketS47 wrote:I agree with OP, CCP is making very critical mistakes other (now dead) mmo's have made before.
They are making things to easy, to comfortable and without challenge.
On another note; I found this great game called Hello Kitty Online its almost like eve, but than challenging and the end-game is like lvl's and stuff instead of isk farming. Yeah, See this is where I am getting terribly confused.
This apparent change to "easy-mode" (which is debatable in itself), is to only one sector of Eve. I don't recall seeing anything about Concord moving to 0.0 or to lowsec or into WH's.
I was away yesterday, perhaps I missed a dev post? I lost countless ships and millions of isk on gank attempts. I did not blame CCP, Concord or the miner. I blamed me for bothering. I made more money.......... mining.
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Darth Khasei
Sunstar Business Ventures Inc.
22
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Posted - 2012.10.14 20:38:00 -
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LT Alter wrote:The dooms were avoided by those screaming it out, you may not believe it so but stuff like the incarna protest were started by those screaming dooms and forcing CCP to make changes. I'm yelling for change to help save the game, not to scare you all in to quitting...
Also PI is not a play style is a way of making isk. CCP is removing my entire playstyle and trying to push me and others in to low and null...
No that is just revisionist history. There are PLENTY of things that are in the game right now that people called doom on and were flat out 100% WRONG.
You are yelling no doubt, but perhaps a bit myopically focused on "your playstyle" and not the overall game as well as being made prematurely is what people are trying to get you to see.
PI IS a playstyle if that is essentially all you are doing. |
shadowhearth Eto
5pm In Hades Hail the Hoff
8
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Posted - 2012.10.14 20:59:00 -
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sounds like trammel 2.0 EVE style.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
433
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Posted - 2012.10.14 21:18:00 -
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Is Eve dying? No. At least not in the sense you're implying.
Will these changes upset hi sec PVPers looking for lo-risk easy kills? Yes. It will. My opinion if it matters? They're a very small but extremely vocal minority which in the end won't matter much when they quit. Why? Because one bittervet gone equates to a few new players in.
And before some bittervet claims that only h4rdc0re PVPers stick around Eve for long, I'll just say that I've been playing Eve since 05 and I'm not planning on quitting any time soon. My corp is like-minded and have been around for a while as well.
I don't doubt that your enjoyment of your game is dying. But I think that is all that can be claimed. Eve has evolved througout the years. You can either adapt and roll with the punches or hang the towel.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
1949
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Posted - 2012.10.14 21:29:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote: My corp is like-minded and have been around for a while as well. Republic University still going strong |
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