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ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you
156
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Posted - 2012.10.12 08:28:00 -
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I have 2 alt accounts that I use with plex, because I cant afford to run them with RL money. They are going inactive with this hyper inflated PLEX simple.
When PLEX comes down in price I will reactive them. |
Darth Gustav
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
1537
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Posted - 2012.10.12 08:31:00 -
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ctx2007 wrote:I have 2 alt accounts that I use with plex, because I cant afford to run them with RL money. They are going inactive with this hyper inflated PLEX simple.
When PLEX comes down in price I will reactive them. Is this a plea for more people to buy PLEX with cash?
Where is Sally Struthers? He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom |
Beldroner
Tri-gun Lost Obsession
0
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Posted - 2012.10.12 08:37:00 -
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PLEX prices are clearly indicative of the 2012 mass extinction. |
Momoyo
Interwebs Cooter Explosion Fatal Ascension
42
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Posted - 2012.10.12 08:38:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Came to this thread expecting to read about another Kestrel full of PLEX being popped in Jita....
Maybe its CCP flying those ships full of plexes! :tinfoil: |
Colonel Xaven
Decadence. RAZOR Alliance
163
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Posted - 2012.10.12 08:40:00 -
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Ahhh... conspiration theories. Everyone loves them.
- NASA never landed on the moon,
- WTC was blown up with explosives,
- an alien starship crashed near Roswell,
- Cydonia Mensae,
- Elvis is alive,
- HIV was developed by CIA biologists,
- Vile Rat was CIA agent,
- CCP manipulates the plex market
The truth is out there! |
Mara Rinn
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
1914
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Posted - 2012.10.12 09:09:00 -
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Bart Starr wrote:Allegation? There is no crime here. They have the power to do everything I've described - and do it invisibly. Its their game, their ISK, their market - we are but the puppets.
[b]Only a few years back, a 90-day GTC was 300M ISK. (3.3M ISK per day) Today, 600M ISK buys you 30 days of gametime. (20M ISK per day)
When I started playing, 90 day GTCs could be bought for 180M ISK or so. Over the years my ISK-earning power has increased. The same amount of effort is required for me to make 600M ISK a month now as was required to make 60M ISK a month back then. I've learned more about the game, I've skilled up into more powerful ships, with more powerful weapons. I've learned how to trade. I've learned how to manufacture. I've learned that sometimes it is profitable to mine, and when it is, the miner has to be choosy about what to mine.
Over that period of time there will no doubt have been other pilots in a similar situation to me: their income earning potential has increased. For a significant portion, their ability will be better than mine: I'm only a 95th percentile performer, which means that there are fully 5% of the population of the planet smarter than me. Remembering that EVE Players are to Geeks what Geeks are to normal people, and remembering that EVE accounts for a very small portion of the population, it's reasonable to expect that in terms of EVE players, I'm probably a 50th percentile or lower.
So while I am comfortably making my 600M ISK a month plodding around being a hisec carebear, some of those people who are smarter than me are probably chuckling at my ability to work really hard to earn what amounts to a rounding error in their wallets.
What's my point? Simply that the inflation of PLEX prices over four years since they were introduced is very easily explained by the fact that pilots gain significant ISK-earning potential in four years, as do the players. So once again, your Conspiracy Theory has to acknowledge Occam's Razor and just quietly die in a corner.
As to the allegations: you are alleging that CCP is purposefully inflating the PLEX market for material gain. In the past, CCP have expressed concern about the PLEX market "getting out of control" or exceeding some parameters that they had set, and decided that they could use the 10k confiscated PLEX to manipulate the market if required. Keep in mind that Dr Eyjo has told us on many occasions that the economy is a delicate thing that is easily thrown off balance. The good doctor has also told us that there are too many ISK faucets and not enough sinks.
Now let's look at what you allege: CCP is injecting ISK into the game, buying up PLEX from the market, and then purposefully destroying those PLEX. Why would they do this? What would be their motivations for shooting themselves in the foot in such a way? Why would they inject more ISK into an economy which already has so much ISK being injected that CCP are talking about sinking more ISK out of it?
Why would CCP go to the effort of blowing up PLEX, when players are already doing enough of that on their own? Again, Occam's Razor comes into play. The vorpal blade goes snicker-snack and there goes Occam, galumphing off with the head of your now lifeless allegation, leaving your conspiracy theory friendless and alone in the forest.
No, your allegations that CCP are foolish enough to expend effort duplicating what work the players are already doing in more than sufficient quantity, simply do not pass the simplest of examinations.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1802
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Posted - 2012.10.12 09:13:00 -
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I must be the only one with a job.
I love the rising of the PLEX price, like it does every year towards winter.
800 million ISK ... WOOHOOO that'd be awesome, i'd buy ten for lousy 200 bucks ! :D
Get a job ! Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Arduemont
Lords 0f Justice Fidelas Constans
332
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Posted - 2012.10.12 09:19:00 -
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Bart Starr wrote:Malcanis wrote:So your arguments reduce to "they could and I would therefore I have proved they are". Ooookay, perhaps you can demonstrate how.... A) CCP is incapable of doing this? B) one could prove it without becoming a CCP employee, or hacking (and getting banned)? C) this does not generate $$$ for CCP. (through reducing server loads by tearing up PLEX, and encouraging more purchases? D) how CCP isn't motivated by $$$?
Your logic is demonstrative of the stupidity of the general masses. He doesn't have to proof they arn't you fool. You have the burden of proof. You need to prove that they are, which you can't. End of discussion, waste of time thread, next.
Besides, proving something ISN'T is very close to impossible from a Scientific perspective.. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
369
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Posted - 2012.10.12 09:32:00 -
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Dear Insane People,
If the price rises too high, some people stop playing and might not come back. CCP's not that stupid.
Also CCP says they'll justify any use of the tools they have to manipulate the PLEX market to the CSM, who will act as a watchdog in the interest of the playerbase.
Love, Benny. xoxoxo |
Kehro Urgus
Ab Obice Saevior
443
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Posted - 2012.10.12 09:41:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:I must be the only one with a job.
I love the rising of the PLEX price, like it does every year towards winter.
800 million ISK ... WOOHOOO that'd be awesome, i'd buy ten for lousy 200 bucks ! :D
Get a job !
Get a life! I don't always troll, but when I do I do it on EVE Online forums.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4886
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Posted - 2012.10.12 09:52:00 -
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Bart Starr wrote:Malcanis wrote:So your arguments reduce to "they could and I would therefore I have proved they are". Ooookay, perhaps you can demonstrate how.... A) CCP is incapable of doing this? B) one could prove it without becoming a CCP employee, or hacking (and getting banned)? C) this does not generate $$$ for CCP. (through reducing server loads by tearing up PLEX, and encouraging more purchases? D) how CCP isn't motivated by $$$?
You've just restated exactly what I said. You've asserted that CCP could do this (no one has denied this) but you've not asserted a shred of proof that they actually have done this. Show us the market analysis. Finger the alts being used. Give us the evidence.
I would also like to remind you that unsupported rumours are now not allowed on this forum. MatrixSkye Mk2: "Remember: You consent to unconsensual PVP the moment you press the "Undock" button." |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1523
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Posted - 2012.10.12 10:29:00 -
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OP why dont you post with your main anymore? TK is recruiting |
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CCP Gargant
C C P C C P Alliance
134
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Posted - 2012.10.12 10:50:00 -
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My answer can be summarized in this handy clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yqUpypQwGs
But to paraphrase; this is false. CCP Gargant | Community Representative |
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1105
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Posted - 2012.10.12 10:55:00 -
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CCP Gargant wrote:My answer can be summarized in this handy clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yqUpypQwGsBut to paraphrase; this is false. And rumor mongering. Technically that is not allowed but I feel that locking or removing the thread would not have the desired effect. When CCP says something like that, I get reminded of this. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
255
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:00:00 -
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I have long suspected this could be the case on a small scale, but anyone who tries to link this to the recent price hike is just being silly. Its purely a supply / demand issue, if anything CCP would stop trashing plex at the moment (if they were in the first place).
As there is no way to prove it either way this discussion is purely academic. |
Kehro Urgus
Ab Obice Saevior
447
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:04:00 -
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CCP Gargant wrote:My answer can be summarized in this handy clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yqUpypQwGsBut to paraphrase; this is false. And rumor mongering. Technically that is not allowed but I feel that locking or removing the thread would not have the desired effect.
In other words we can troll to our heart's content? I don't always troll, but when I do I do it on EVE Online forums.
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Taranius De Consolville
Curse Of The Chosen
239
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:09:00 -
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Agree whole heartedly.
Plex prices are stupid and plex itself should never have been introduced into the game |
Taranius De Consolville
Curse Of The Chosen
239
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:10:00 -
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CCP Gargant wrote:My answer can be summarized in this handy clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yqUpypQwGsBut to paraphrase; this is false. And rumor mongering. Technically that is not allowed but I feel that locking or removing the thread would not have the desired effect.
Its not false, u are driving plex prices up, u are driving the market up and u making it very expensive to play this game
why?
because people are quittingt because eve is pure crap than adds more layers of crap! |
Alice Saki
10365
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:17:00 -
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Your Posts are crap. Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused. I like to show my Love by Smashing people in the face with a big Hammer.
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Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient Electus Matari
212
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:17:00 -
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Taranius De Consolville wrote:CCP Gargant wrote:My answer can be summarized in this handy clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yqUpypQwGsBut to paraphrase; this is false. And rumor mongering. Technically that is not allowed but I feel that locking or removing the thread would not have the desired effect. Its not false, u are driving plex prices up, u are driving the market up and u making it very expensive to play this game why? because people are quittingt because eve is pure crap than adds more layers of crap!
Can I have your stuff?
What is the point if every race has an Jam/Damp/Disruptor/ ship etc? Not every race has to be a fluffy little mirror of each other, it's seriously not needed. Things like Gallente having the only drone BS and Caldari having the only ECM BS are incredibly cool distinctions that only add to EVE in both game play value and flavour. |
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Jim Hazard
Scrubfleet
26
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:23:00 -
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Taranius De Consolville wrote:Agree whole heartedly.
Plex prices are stupid and plex itself should never have been introduced into the game
So you complain about the price of something that never should have been in the game and has absolutely no value to you?....
????!!!...???? |
Jim Hazard
Scrubfleet
26
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:27:00 -
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Taranius De Consolville wrote:CCP Gargant wrote:My answer can be summarized in this handy clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yqUpypQwGsBut to paraphrase; this is false. And rumor mongering. Technically that is not allowed but I feel that locking or removing the thread would not have the desired effect. Its not false, u are driving plex prices up, u are driving the market up and u making it very expensive to play this game why? because people are quittingt because eve is pure crap than adds more layers of crap!
So a Plex costs more real life money, when the ISK price goes up? It is in CCPs interest to make people quit the game so they drive up the prices?
Your logic really is amazing. |
Staleward Ad'mraa
Fission. JINN.
4
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:49:00 -
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If the PLEX bubble that keeps growing bursts, the cost of PLEX in-game would drop dramatically while the real currency price would stay the same. For CCP to manage burst and keep players grinding for them, they would have to actually lower the real cost of the PLEX. If PLEX actually drops to below 300mill, you are looking at the point players will decide buying PLEX to sell on the in-game market wouldn't be worth it. This would be bad for both the players and CCP.
This wouldn't permanent though, because prices would rise again due to PLEX being more rare, leading to more people buying it again. Thus the bubble would grow again which would lead to another Inflation in the in-game market. It is a cycle that is going to continue as long as there is Digital PLEX, unless CCP decides to get rid of PLEX all together or In-Game prices become permanent.
Higher Costing PLEX In-Game = More Money for CCP and Sellers, More Grinding For Buyers Lower Costing PLEX In-Game = Less Money for CCP and Sellers, Less Grinding For Buyers
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Kara Vix
Sanford and Son Salvage Peregrine Nation
44
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:50:00 -
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Ah this thread is a perfect example of the amusing nonsense in general discussion that keeps me coming back for more laughs. I haven't been able to find another source of intellectual debate of this level since GW Bush was the president in the states. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
176
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Posted - 2012.10.12 11:54:00 -
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Taranius De Consolville wrote:
Its not false, u are driving plex prices up, u are driving the market up and u making it very expensive to play this game
why?
because people are quittingt because eve is pure crap than adds more layers of crap!
Actually by putting a massive advert on the log in screen saying:
Quote:OMFG, have u seen the PLEX prices??!? They are massive! I bet they wont stay that way for long maybe!
What they essentially doing is going
"Psst, hey. you know, if you spent -ú20 now instead of making 1 billion isk you could have 1.2billion isk......"
And
"Psst, you got any plexes hanging around? Well theres this bubble that may burst, if you sold all your PLEX now, waited for the price to crash and then re bought them, you'd make millions."
Both of these things actualy drive down the price of PLEXs. I actually thought it was rather clever. |
William Bowman
Natural Cycle of Decay
7
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Posted - 2012.10.12 12:04:00 -
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Guys !! I ran out of coffee. I know it was mI5 who stole it because they can. I don't care because I don't like coffee like all you scrub but even so, can I have my coffee back ! |
Mara Rinn
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
1916
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Posted - 2012.10.12 12:05:00 -
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TdC is here. Thread is finished.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2012.10.12 12:11:00 -
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Someone is butthurt that he can't do what he stated he dislike - playing for free.
Yes, I know that my post is totally worthless and brings nothing to the table, but what have you expected? Your claim is pretty much impossible to both prove or refute, so what's the point really?
If you really want my opinion on this matter... Smart people tend not to poison the cow they milk for 9 years already (and inflating the economy will bring the need to fix it later - a massive work tbh). You may argue that "eve is dying" and thus CCP want to cash out while they can, but I wouldn't call that possibility given that CCP invested a great deal into DUST and aren't exactly willing to make EVE go down as said DUST is expected to work with it (arguable, but for the most part I don't see DUST successful without EVE). Meanwhile DUST doesn't look like decoy, IMO it's too expencive to be one. |
Robert De'Arneth
107
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Posted - 2012.10.12 12:16:00 -
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Taranius De Consolville wrote:CCP Gargant wrote:My answer can be summarized in this handy clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yqUpypQwGsBut to paraphrase; this is false. And rumor mongering. Technically that is not allowed but I feel that locking or removing the thread would not have the desired effect. Its not false, u are driving plex prices up, u are driving the market up and u making it very expensive to play this game why? because people are quittingt because eve is pure crap than adds more layers of crap!
Proof, do not make claims without proof, show us your link to prove people are quitting? If you mean plexers, meh weho cares? they are not paying to play. Now show us your proof that real paying customers are quitting, you must be on the inside to have this information. Provide the link CCP gave of their customer numbers. If you do not have this proof, you have proven you are a liar and should always be ignored.
I will not even comment on ignorance of the someone wearing tinfoil and claiming CCP is causing this, there is ample proof the palyers control the prices. I do know kaiser must love all the tinfoil these people use. You have not lived until you have been Wated by Jim!!-á-á |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
652
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Posted - 2012.10.12 12:19:00 -
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Benny Ohu wrote:Dear Insane People,
If the price rises too high, some people stop playing and might not come back. CCP's not that stupid.
Also CCP says they'll justify any use of the tools they have to manipulate the PLEX market to the CSM, who will act as a watchdog in the interest of the playerbase.
Love, Benny. xoxoxo
But if prices rise just enough, they maximize profit from people who are willing to trade dollars/euros for PLEX (because they now get more ISK per dollar/euro than ever), without forcing people to quit. The secret is in finding that balance. |
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