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Muffini
3
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Posted - 2012.10.19 14:36:00 -
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Killiana Lett wrote:Clearly the solution is making highsec ice vastly smaller rocks that don't replenish nearly as fast.
NERF ICE CCP THESE MINERS ARE LAUGHING AT US
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Kinis Deren
EVE University Ivy League
74
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Posted - 2012.10.19 14:36:00 -
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TL;DR version of your post
Poetic Stanziel wrote:
I've gone on a couple of rants lately, bitching about ..... CCP to make highsec a safer place for carebears. .... I certainly took this notion at face value.
It took Goonswarm to prove [I was] wrong
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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1861
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Posted - 2012.10.19 14:59:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:So, gankers are 'always' supposed to profit....and want CCP to make ganking them even MORE profitable (see Poetic's Rant above).
But to play, and not be considered 'stupid', miners must be bad, low yield, inefficient miners.
We are expected for some insane reason to do badly at our profession in order to 'survive'. The ganker attitude is so that THEY can profit. THIS is the true un-balance in Eve. Quite one-sided, no?
The reason why miners got buffed, according to CCP, is because ganking them never was meant to be profitable.
Smells like fallacy to me, because people did it FOR YEARS without ANY indication that CCP had a problem with it.
Anyway... the reason why the miningshipbuff has a bad taste attached to it, is simply because CCP kicked Darwin out of the equation.
The false belief of highsec being safe enough to ... ... autopilot a pod worth hundred of millions ... ... undock in a kestrel carrying 75 PLEX ... ... loudmouth in space ... ... not tank an afk ship in space ... (hello, miner) ... etc ... ... will get you punished, because you fail to adapt to your environment. Or they simply ignore it.
What CCP did is simply helping those who failed to adapt, instead of punishing them. I am sure i need to remind you that miners who tanked their ships and paid attention rarely got ganked ...
... oh my, i wonder why ........... Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
946
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Posted - 2012.10.19 15:03:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:So, gankers are 'always' supposed to profit....and want CCP to make ganking them even MORE profitable (see Poetic's Rant above).
But to play, and not be considered 'stupid', miners must be bad, low yield, inefficient miners.
We are expected for some insane reason to do badly at our profession in order to 'survive'. The ganker attitude is so that THEY can profit. THIS is the true un-balance in Eve. Quite one-sided, no? The reason why miners got buffed, according to CCP, is because ganking them never was meant to be profitable. Smells like fallacy to me, because people did it FOR YEARS without ANY indication that CCP had a problem with it. Anyway... the reason why the miningshipbuff has a bad taste attached to it, is simply because CCP kicked Darwin out of the equation. The false belief of highsec being safe enough to ... ... autopilot a pod worth hundred of millions ... ... undock in a kestrel carrying 75 PLEX ... ... loudmouth in space ... ... not tank an afk ship in space ... (hello, miner) ... etc ... ... will get you punished, because you fail to adapt to your environment. Or they simply ignore it. What CCP did is simply helping those who failed to adapt, instead of punishing them. I am sure i need to remind you that miners who tanked their ships and paid attention rarely got ganked ... ... oh my, i wonder why ...........
Like I said yesterday......most ganks are not survivable in mining ships no matter what is done. It's like asking the residents of Hiroshima in August 1945 to defend themselvs and 'be ready'. |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
170
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Posted - 2012.10.19 15:14:00 -
[245] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:So, gankers are 'always' supposed to profit....and want CCP to make ganking them even MORE profitable (see Poetic's Rant above).
But to play, and not be considered 'stupid', miners must be bad, low yield, inefficient miners.
We are expected for some insane reason to do badly at our profession in order to 'survive'. The ganker attitude is so that THEY can profit. THIS is the true un-balance in Eve. Quite one-sided, no? The reason why miners got buffed, according to CCP, is because ganking them never was meant to be profitable. Smells like fallacy to me, because people did it FOR YEARS without ANY indication that CCP had a problem with it. Anyway... the reason why the miningshipbuff has a bad taste attached to it, is simply because CCP kicked Darwin out of the equation. The false belief of highsec being safe enough to ... ... autopilot a pod worth hundred of millions ... ... undock in a kestrel carrying 75 PLEX ... ... loudmouth in space ... ... not tank an afk ship in space ... (hello, miner) ... etc ... ... will get you punished, because you fail to adapt to your environment. Or they simply ignore it. What CCP did is simply helping those who failed to adapt, instead of punishing them. I am sure i need to remind you that miners who tanked their ships and paid attention rarely got ganked ... ... oh my, i wonder why ........... Like I said yesterday......most ganks are not survivable in mining ships no matter what is done. It's like asking the residents of Hiroshima in August 1945 to defend themselvs and 'be ready'.
I
you just did it again
you really just did that thing that you did earlier, but again |
Warr Akini
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.10.19 15:16:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Like I said yesterday......most ganks are not survivable in mining ships no matter what is done. It's like asking the residents of Hiroshima in August 1945 to defend themselvs and 'be ready'.
You're embarrassing yourself.
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Killiana Lett
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.10.19 15:18:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Like I said yesterday......most ganks are not survivable in mining ships no matter what is done. It's like asking the residents of Hiroshima in August 1945 to defend themselvs and 'be ready'.
Mr. Icefluxor, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
182
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Posted - 2012.10.19 15:32:00 -
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It would be kinda hilarious if KB coders would write updates to their boards that went out to CCP hourly to download CONCORD kills and automatically update the killboards. :)
See all those epic KB stats fall flat on their faces. |
Pekt Tivianne
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.10.19 16:07:00 -
[249] - Quote
Ginger Barbarella wrote:It would be kinda hilarious if KB coders would write updates to their boards that went out to CCP hourly to download CONCORD kills and automatically update the killboards. :) See all those epic KB stats fall flat on their faces.
Confirming that our lives would be completely ruined by this. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2494
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Posted - 2012.10.19 16:08:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:It would be kinda hilarious if KB coders would write updates to their boards that went out to CCP hourly to download CONCORD kills and automatically update the killboards. :) See all those epic KB stats fall flat on their faces.
Bat Country very proudly posted up all of our losses when we did our caldari ice interdiction 8 months ago. We have no problem with showing any of our losses. |
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baltec1
Bat Country
2494
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Posted - 2012.10.19 16:11:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Like I said yesterday......most ganks are not survivable in mining ships no matter what is done. It's like asking the residents of Hiroshima in August 1945 to defend themselvs and 'be ready'.
Most ganks involve a handfull of destroyers. Tell me more about how a ship with a better tank than some heavy assault ships stands no chance... |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
946
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Posted - 2012.10.19 16:25:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Like I said yesterday......most ganks are not survivable in mining ships no matter what is done. It's like asking the residents of Hiroshima in August 1945 to defend themselvs and 'be ready'.
Most ganks involve a handfull of destroyers. Tell me more about how a ship with a better tank than some heavy assault ships stands no chance...
Your Corp association tells me and everyone else here ALL we need to know. |
Lord Zim
1805
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Posted - 2012.10.19 16:26:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:baltec1 wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Like I said yesterday......most ganks are not survivable in mining ships no matter what is done. It's like asking the residents of Hiroshima in August 1945 to defend themselvs and 'be ready'.
Most ganks involve a handfull of destroyers. Tell me more about how a ship with a better tank than some heavy assault ships stands no chance... Your Corp association tells me and everyone else here ALL we need to know. What does it say? Spell it out for us. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
946
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Posted - 2012.10.19 16:28:00 -
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Alright, I'm outta here. Same stupid yammering arguement as it was 2 1/2 yrs ago when I started playing. It's ALL just a bunch of extremists on both sides.
Miners and Industrialists:STOP posting in these threads.
It's just perpetuating the idiocracy. Let them lie and argue till they are blue in the face.
There just really is not any need for there to be this topic in existence ever again. It will never ever have a different outsome. Expecting one is the "definition of insanity" is it not ? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2602
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Posted - 2012.10.19 16:42:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Solstice Project wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:So, gankers are 'always' supposed to profit....and want CCP to make ganking them even MORE profitable (see Poetic's Rant above).
But to play, and not be considered 'stupid', miners must be bad, low yield, inefficient miners.
We are expected for some insane reason to do badly at our profession in order to 'survive'. The ganker attitude is so that THEY can profit. THIS is the true un-balance in Eve. Quite one-sided, no? The reason why miners got buffed, according to CCP, is because ganking them never was meant to be profitable. Smells like fallacy to me, because people did it FOR YEARS without ANY indication that CCP had a problem with it. Anyway... the reason why the miningshipbuff has a bad taste attached to it, is simply because CCP kicked Darwin out of the equation. The false belief of highsec being safe enough to ... ... autopilot a pod worth hundred of millions ... ... undock in a kestrel carrying 75 PLEX ... ... loudmouth in space ... ... not tank an afk ship in space ... (hello, miner) ... etc ... ... will get you punished, because you fail to adapt to your environment. Or they simply ignore it. What CCP did is simply helping those who failed to adapt, instead of punishing them. I am sure i need to remind you that miners who tanked their ships and paid attention rarely got ganked ... ... oh my, i wonder why ........... Like I said yesterday......most ganks are not survivable in mining ships no matter what is done. It's like asking the residents of Hiroshima in August 1945 to defend themselvs and 'be ready'.
Respectfully, any ship in the game can be ganked if someone really wants to put the ISK and effort into, bar none. Mining ship has nothing to do with it.
If you fit in a sensible manner your odds of being singled out by a competent team (one that scans your fit first) drop to near zero.
If you fit in a sensible manner your odds of being successfully ganked a sloppy team (casual, no intel on your fit, just throw the amount of DPS at you that usually gets the job done) drops to near zero.
If you remain alert and take the appropriate precautions (watching short range scan, always mining aligned to a station, moving at 3/4 speed, shares intel on known gankers, uses his ability to set standings, keeps an eye out for someone trying to bump you, mines in a quiet system to make it easier to keep an eye on who is in local) your chance of being ganked even by a competent team that sends more than enough to pop your fit, drops to near zero.... because you won't be there long enough to be targeted. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10028
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Posted - 2012.10.19 16:52:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Alright, I'm outta here. Same stupid yammering arguement as it was 2 1/2 yrs ago when I started playing. It's ALL just a bunch of extremists on both sides. Maybe if you stopped comparing people who fail to take precautions that would have saved them to genocide, people would stop thinking f you as an extremist. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Sixx Spades
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
26
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:01:00 -
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Warr Akini wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Like I said yesterday......most ganks are not survivable in mining ships no matter what is done. It's like asking the residents of Hiroshima in August 1945 to defend themselvs and 'be ready'. You're embarrassing yourself.
Naw dude, it's a stealth compliment. He's calling you 'the bomb'. Jade Constantine, self-made space harlot. News at 11. http://bit.ly/LTW5gW |
baltec1
Bat Country
2496
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:08:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Your Corp association tells me and everyone else here ALL we need to know.
That we invented the mass ganking of miners with destroyers for profit and know exactly what barges can do?
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Vanyr Andrard
Foo Holdings Free 2 Play
7
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:12:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Alright, I'm outta here. Same stupid yammering arguement as it was 2 1/2 yrs ago when I started playing. It's ALL just a bunch of extremists on both sides.
Miners and Industrialists:STOP posting in these threads.
It's just perpetuating the idiocracy. Let them lie and argue till they are blue in the face.
There just really is not any need for there to be this topic in existence ever again. It will never ever have a different outsome. Expecting one is the "definition of insanity" is it not ?
I agree that it will never have a different outcome. The miners and industrialists that live outside of hisec, and a majority of the gankers, will keep having a reasonable and productive discussion, and a loud and vocal minority, which includes you and a majority of the pure hisec miners/industrialists, will keep trolling and never joining in the reasonable discussion. That will always be the outcome of these threads. |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
216
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:16:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQHqJiebKKA R.I.P. Vile Rat |
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Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1385
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Posted - 2012.10.19 17:27:00 -
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Kinis Deren wrote:TL;DR version of your post. Learn to play the game, EVE University.
http://fweddit.com/kb/?a=kill_related&kll_id=4250 Caldari Militia |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2163
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Posted - 2012.10.19 18:09:00 -
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This thread has been cleaned of some off topic and troll posts. I would like to ask that people try to remain on topic, and to try and post sensibly, thank you - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
183
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Posted - 2012.10.19 18:14:00 -
[263] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Alright, I'm outta here. Same stupid yammering arguement as it was 2 1/2 yrs ago when I started playing. It's ALL just a bunch of extremists on both sides.
Miners and Industrialists:STOP posting in these threads.
It's just perpetuating the idiocracy. Let them lie and argue till they are blue in the face.
There just really is not any need for there to be this topic in existence ever again. It will never ever have a different outsome. Expecting one is the "definition of insanity" is it not ?
Bad troll is bad. Fail better. 0/10 |
Pak Narhoo
Knights of Kador
731
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Posted - 2012.10.19 18:21:00 -
[264] - Quote
Nothing ever changes. I just remembered 4.5 years ago, http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=729886&page=1 Hi, I'm CCP Arrow, I screwed up the.. ummm... |
Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
434
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Posted - 2012.10.19 19:18:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Miners and Industrialists:STOP posting in these threads.
Excuse me. I used to be a miner, and an industrialist and I tried ganking a few times and failed (when it was easy).
Can I post?
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Ch3244
Trojan Legion Fidelas Constans
200
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Posted - 2012.10.19 19:20:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:I have an alt with a 100% full blown tanked mackinaw.
Mackinaw next to me has a faster yield, but all his ice just exploded with his ship. Profit: -200m give or take. Me, I'm about to dock with my first load of ice. Profit: I honestly don't know, but I did scoop the T2 loot from 9 Catalyst and 3 Tornados. I would post the kill mails and chat logs after this whole Pay attention to us!!! nerd rage event is over. The chat logs will have to be heavily censored though. Those gankers have an interesting vocabulary when they are mad.
Thanks gankers! i can confirm this never happened.
stop being an attention wh0re |
Sir Marksalot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
170
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Posted - 2012.10.20 00:48:00 -
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Ch3244 wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:I have an alt with a 100% full blown tanked mackinaw.
Mackinaw next to me has a faster yield, but all his ice just exploded with his ship. Profit: -200m give or take. Me, I'm about to dock with my first load of ice. Profit: I honestly don't know, but I did scoop the T2 loot from 9 Catalyst and 3 Tornados. I would post the kill mails and chat logs after this whole Pay attention to us!!! nerd rage event is over. The chat logs will have to be heavily censored though. Those gankers have an interesting vocabulary when they are mad.
Thanks gankers! i can confirm this never happened. stop being an attention wh0re
Confirming what this guy is confirming. Mackinaws don't have 150,000+ EHP. There's no reason to throw that much at one. |
Burrobot
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.10.20 01:28:00 -
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I've been ice mining for about 6 hours now in Galentee. I've seen one Catalyst fail to gank a Procurer and one kill a Retriever...
Is this really what these forums were in a frenzy over last year? Talk about hype... |
qDoctor Strangelove
TaskF0rce Executive Vice Empire
43
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Posted - 2012.10.20 06:12:00 -
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Solstice Project wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:So, gankers are 'always' supposed to profit....and want CCP to make ganking them even MORE profitable (see Poetic's Rant above).
But to play, and not be considered 'stupid', miners must be bad, low yield, inefficient miners.
We are expected for some insane reason to do badly at our profession in order to 'survive'. The ganker attitude is so that THEY can profit. THIS is the true un-balance in Eve. Quite one-sided, no? The reason why miners got buffed, according to CCP, is because ganking them never was meant to be profitable. Smells like fallacy to me, because people did it FOR YEARS without ANY indication that CCP had a problem with it. Anyway... the reason why the miningshipbuff has a bad taste attached to it, is simply because CCP kicked Darwin out of the equation. The false belief of highsec being safe enough to ... ... autopilot a pod worth hundred of millions ... ... undock in a kestrel carrying 75 PLEX ... ... loudmouth in space ... ... not tank an afk ship in space ... (hello, miner) ... etc ... ... will get you punished, because you fail to adapt to your environment. Or you simply ignore it. What CCP did is simply helping those who failed to adapt, instead of punishing them. I am sure i need to remind you that miners who tanked their ships and paid attention rarely got ganked ... ... oh my, i wonder why ...........
The reason to buff can be seen on the amount of miners today. Also, the buff to procurers are nice. I have been mining in my procurer on/off since the patch, and it keeps me with enough mexallon with just 5 trips to the basement a day. I started training for exhumers, and will soon upgrade to mackinaw.
People STILL do dumb **** making them profitable to kill, and the new crime system will be awesome and make people able to make a living revenging the ganked |
baltec1
Bat Country
2497
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Posted - 2012.10.20 06:50:00 -
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qDoctor Strangelove wrote:
People STILL do dumb **** making them profitable to kill, and the new crime system will be awesome and make people able to make a living revenging the ganked
The macks are not profitable to kill dispite people still doing stupid things. |
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