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Alice Saki
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Posted - 2012.10.17 07:33:00 -
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I think someone likes Starcraft 2 Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused. I like to show my Love by Smashing people in the face with a big Hammer.
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
1956
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Posted - 2012.10.17 07:35:00 -
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Beat General
Painkiller.
65
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Posted - 2012.10.17 12:24:00 -
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ISD TYPE40 wrote:Removed a few troll posts. Please remember to post sensibly, thank you - ISD Type40.
More uneeded post deletion ftw. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1044
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Posted - 2012.10.17 14:17:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:
Not true, especially in Korea. Face it, when you compare the skill requirements of EVE to other competitive games, even WoW arena can easily seem more skill demanding. I know some of you think you are badass elites and oh-so-smart "pvpers" in this game, but to other gamers, you are just a joke.
So what you're saying is that you suck at EVE's pvp and this thread is the result. |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2012.10.17 17:13:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:
Not true, especially in Korea. Face it, when you compare the skill requirements of EVE to other competitive games, even WoW arena can easily seem more skill demanding. I know some of you think you are badass elites and oh-so-smart "pvpers" in this game, but to other gamers, you are just a joke.
So what you're saying is that you suck at EVE's pvp and this thread is the result.
hahahha! try to contain your rage and maybe you can come up with a decent argument. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
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Bodega Cat
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
32
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Posted - 2012.10.17 17:33:00 -
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Conflict in EVE is completely different than in any of the games you've described, I'm sure you would agree.
When league of legends, or star craft becomes a sandbox game on a macro level, then maybe we can talk about how this is even relevant?
EVE competitive "sport like" pvp only exists as a subset within the greater EVE community at large. It's only getting in bed with other E-sport entities because they currently have the best tech to deliver the show to the rest of EVE players who might be interested.
Basically, no body cares what is going on in the E-sport community regardless.
Thats not what any of this is about. |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1362
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Posted - 2012.10.17 17:54:00 -
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A) Go watch some of the Rooks and Kings videos, you can't tell me some HEAVY skill wasn't used there. They have great coordination and understanding of how to react to situations. Especially in "anatomy of a fight" where the abaddon switches to three different fits in the middle of a combat situation from their carrier. B) No micro? You've never flown a ship with a cap booster have you? Do you even know what nanite repair paste is? C) Watching EVE PVP can be compared to NASCAR in a sense. Anyone who watches either of them that doesn't understand them will go "meh, what is there to care about?", but anyone that has an appreciation for the skills involved in them understands how riveting they can be. Watching a heavily tanked ship start to bleed into structure is like watching your favorite driver inch passed another car.
I don't have anything to say to the skill problems. That's a personal issue that each competitor can deal with on their own.
Lastly, as a better first hand proof for the skills involved in EVE PVP I would like to see you and a veteran PVPer go 1v1 with two identically fitted ships with characters that have been trained to all the exact same levels. Something like you both starting brand new characters of the same race and training the exact same skill plan for a week and you both going at it in something like slashers or atrons.
After 10 rounds of this I'd like to see who has more wins...
...I can guarantee you it won't be 5/5 The Drake is a Lie |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1467
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Posted - 2012.10.17 18:09:00 -
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I think my post was eaten earlier.
If a team didn't bid enough to make it into the tournament, what happens to the PLEX they used to bid?
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
De'Veldrin
East India Ore Trade Intrepid Crossing
416
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Posted - 2012.10.17 18:25:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote: If it weren't for amazing players like MKP, I would no longer buy subscriptions to watch him play in the global standard leauge.
This is the part where I had to stop reading.
You pay a subscription to watch other people play video games? That's asinine. Unsub or don't.-á I don't care what your reasons are, and neither does anyone else.-á Just click the button and go away - or don't. |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2012.10.17 18:39:00 -
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De'Veldrin wrote:Nerf Burger wrote: If it weren't for amazing players like MKP, I would no longer buy subscriptions to watch him play in the global standard leauge. This is the part where I had to stop reading. You pay a subscription to watch other people play video games? That's asinine.
poor people tears
do you know that people show up in the thousands to watch SC2 played live by pro players?
Its funny listening to people make claim to the "skill" involved in EVE pvp as if in total ignorance of what is demanded of PVPers in other games.
Xercodo wrote:...I can guarantee you it won't be 5/5
who knows what it would be since the RNG plays such a huge role in pvp and the skill ceiling in EVE is so easy to hit. RNG, uncontrollable hits and crits, the stuff skilled competitive pvpers hate.
Don't you guys play other games? I dont know how anyone can't see that EVE pvp is a joke by comparison. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1044
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Posted - 2012.10.17 19:16:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:
Don't you guys play other games? I dont know how anyone can't see that EVE pvp is a joke by comparison. I can see there are a few thinking EVE players in this thread that know it too. Thanks for reminding me about RNG, another to add to the multitude of reasons.
If this is really how you feel why waste your time and or money on a subscription? I mean, if you really don't like the game that much it would seem to most people that you're an idiot for wasting the effort of keeping up a sub for it.
I mean, why do you even care, if you don't like EVE pvp then don't watch the tournament, it sounds like a fairly simple fix to me. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2584
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Posted - 2012.10.17 19:22:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:Nerf Burger wrote: If it weren't for amazing players like MKP, I would no longer buy subscriptions to watch him play in the global standard leauge. This is the part where I had to stop reading. You pay a subscription to watch other people play video games? That's asinine. poor people tears do you know that people show up in the thousands to watch SC2 played live by pro players? Its funny listening to these weak-sauce defenders make claim to the "skill" involved in EVE pvp as if in total ignorance of what is demanded of pvpers in other games. Xercodo wrote:...I can guarantee you it won't be 5/5 who knows what it would be since the RNG plays such a huge role in pvp and the skill ceiling in EVE is so easy to hit. RNG, uncontrollable hits and crits, the stuff skilled competitive pvpers hate. Don't you guys play other games? I dont know how anyone can't see that EVE pvp is a joke by comparison. I can see there are a few thinking EVE players in this thread that know it too. Thanks for reminding me about RNG, another to add to the multitude of reasons.
I have and do play a variety of other games. FPS shooters and their ilk can be amusing, even entertaining to watch, but having a highly developed twitch reflex and knowing where to hit are pretty simplistic when it comes to determining how much "skill" is involved in a particular games combat.
Again, some people are fond of checkers, some favor chess... EvE players tend to prefer chess boxing.... To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2012.10.17 19:23:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:De'Veldrin wrote:Nerf Burger wrote: If it weren't for amazing players like MKP, I would no longer buy subscriptions to watch him play in the global standard leauge. This is the part where I had to stop reading. You pay a subscription to watch other people play video games? That's asinine. poor people tears do you know that people show up in the thousands to watch SC2 played live by pro players? Its funny listening to these weak-sauce defenders make claim to the "skill" involved in EVE pvp as if in total ignorance of what is demanded of pvpers in other games. Xercodo wrote:...I can guarantee you it won't be 5/5 who knows what it would be since the RNG plays such a huge role in pvp and the skill ceiling in EVE is so easy to hit. RNG, uncontrollable hits and crits, the stuff skilled competitive pvpers hate. Don't you guys play other games? I dont know how anyone can't see that EVE pvp is a joke by comparison. I can see there are a few thinking EVE players in this thread that know it too. Thanks for reminding me about RNG, another to add to the multitude of reasons. If this is really how you feel why waste your time and or money on a subscription? I mean, if you really don't like the game that much it would seem to most people that you're an idiot for wasting the effort of keeping up a sub for it.
Try to think a bit before you post, if its not too hard. I never said I didn't like the game. I just think the pvp is awful and skilless when compared to other games and that trying to develop EVE into some kind of joke e-sport is a total waste of resources.
No surprise that assuming ignoramuses disagree. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
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Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1363
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Posted - 2012.10.17 19:32:00 -
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RNG is a ***** in WoT...but you can live with it if you consistently hit weak point on tanks.
EVE's RNG involvement in combat is minimal since so many factors such as signature radius and tracking speed contribute more so than RNG does. Same way you can compensate for WoT's RNG by always aiming for weak spots and thin armor in EVE you can effect the damage by flying the ship properly. Make the enemy miss more by doing the "spiral" and keep them from moving too much with a web :D
And then there's the micro around cap management and module overheating to take into account. Especially when neuts are around. Since cap recharge isn't linear boosting yourself at the right time can mean the difference between survival and death (I'd assume boosting yourself to about 33% would be best).
To further highlight the importance of this I elect that the ship that you both fly, in the challenge I listed above, be executioners with a neut and cap booster each and that as a part of the "equal training plan" you both train thermodynamics and nanite operation. The Drake is a Lie |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2012.10.17 19:38:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:
EVE's RNG involvement in combat is minimal
you keep trying to scrape that turd under the rug but I can still smell it.
Also, toggling and ability on and off with a key press is not micro. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9970
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Posted - 2012.10.17 19:42:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:do you know that people show up in the thousands to watch SC2 played live by pro players? So it's actually not particularly popular even among the people who play the gameGǪ
GÇ£ThousandsGÇ¥GǪ that's alliance tournament numbers GÇö pretty sorry for a game that has sold some five million copies and been pirated almost as much.
Oh, and the question kind of remains: why shouldn't CCP cater to those of us who understand or appreciate PvP in EVE just because you don't? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2012.10.17 19:49:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:do you know that people show up in the thousands to watch SC2 played live by pro players? So it's actually not particularly popular even among the people who play the gameGǪ GÇ£ThousandsGÇ¥GǪ that's alliance tournament numbers GÇö pretty sorry for a game that has sold some five million copies and been pirated almost as much. Oh, and the question kind of remains: why shouldn't CCP cater to those of us who understand or appreciate PvP in EVE just because you don't?
you do realize i'm talking about being there in-person, right? There are tournaments held almost every week. The last GSL tournament had over 25,000 people present in-person for the finals and they happen around every 2 months. You would be lucky to get 500 people to come watch EVE pvp in a real life location.
you also failed to comprehend what this thread is about. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
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Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1363
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Posted - 2012.10.17 19:51:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:Xercodo wrote:
EVE's RNG involvement in combat is minimal
you keep trying to scrape that turd under the rug but I can still smell it. Also, toggling and ability on and off with a key press is not micro.
Look at what you just said....do you have any idea how much games like SC2 rely on that exact same mechanic? In SC2 a Sentry with perfect timing of a Guardian Shield can make or break the game. Or what about a toggling the transformation of a Viking? Or an Immortal turning on Hardened Shield? I'm sure many in EVE would argue that to being comparable to overheating your repper and hardeners.
Would you even acknowledge the validity of the challenge I mentioned to prove a point? If the results are even then you'll have won your argument about the RNG meaning more than skill, if there is a heavy bias to the more experienced player then clearly there is more to it than you think....especially if both players run with identical ships and skills. The Drake is a Lie |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam Disturbed Acquaintance
1363
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Posted - 2012.10.17 19:52:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:
you do realize i'm talking about being there in-person, right? There are tournaments held almost every week. You would be lucky to get 500 people to come watch EVE pvp in a real life location.
Fanfest? The Drake is a Lie |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9970
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Posted - 2012.10.17 19:54:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:you do realize i'm talking about being there in-person, right? You realise that you said thousands watch these matchesGǪ just like the ATs. Oh, and by the way, when EVE PvP matches are held live, people show up inGǪ pretty much as many as the venue will fit. GǣThousandsGǥ for a game as popular as SC2 is pretty pathetic.
Quote:you also failed to comprehend what this thread is about. The thread is about you complaining that CCP is catering to interests you don't have but others do. So the question remains: why should they not cater to those who have that insight and interest just because you don't?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Tul Breetai
Impromptu Asset Requisition
12
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Posted - 2012.10.17 19:58:00 -
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The prize is and always has been provided by own3D.tv, read the ******* blog. The prizes are cash, read the ******* blog. The auction is with PLEX, read the ******* blog. The alliance is ON TV, READ THE ******* BLOG.
CCP gets 1) free prizes for its players, 2) increased demand in PLEX, 3) free advertising. CCP should hold a NerfGäó tournament where we get to nerf the devs who nerfed our stuff. |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2012.10.17 19:59:00 -
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Xercodo wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:Xercodo wrote:
EVE's RNG involvement in combat is minimal
you keep trying to scrape that turd under the rug but I can still smell it. Also, toggling and ability on and off with a key press is not micro. Look at what you just said....do you have any idea how much games like SC2 rely on that exact same mechanic? In SC2 a Sentry with perfect timing of a Guardian Shield can make or break the game. Or what about a toggling the transformation of a Viking? Or an Immortal turning on Hardened Shield? I'm sure many in EVE would argue that to being comparable to overheating your repper and hardeners. Would you even acknowledge the validity of the challenge I mentioned to prove a point? If the results are even then you'll have won your argument about the RNG meaning more than skill, if there is a heavy bias to the more experienced player then clearly there is more to it than you think....especially if both players run with identical ships and skills.
you are talking about several different units that you have to control the abilities and movements of while at the same time managing everything else. In eve, there is only one unit. It is not hard at all. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2584
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Posted - 2012.10.17 20:06:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:Xercodo wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:Xercodo wrote:
EVE's RNG involvement in combat is minimal
you keep trying to scrape that turd under the rug but I can still smell it. Also, toggling and ability on and off with a key press is not micro. Look at what you just said....do you have any idea how much games like SC2 rely on that exact same mechanic? In SC2 a Sentry with perfect timing of a Guardian Shield can make or break the game. Or what about a toggling the transformation of a Viking? Or an Immortal turning on Hardened Shield? I'm sure many in EVE would argue that to being comparable to overheating your repper and hardeners. Would you even acknowledge the validity of the challenge I mentioned to prove a point? If the results are even then you'll have won your argument about the RNG meaning more than skill, if there is a heavy bias to the more experienced player then clearly there is more to it than you think....especially if both players run with identical ships and skills. you are talking about several different units that you have to control the abilities and movements of while at the same time managing everything else. In eve, there is only one unit. It is not hard at all. Well in EVE it can be thousands of individual units against thousands. In a tournament you are looking (in this case) at 8 per side. Each one different, each one with unique capabilities. Try again? To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
148
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Posted - 2012.10.17 20:10:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:you do realize i'm talking about being there in-person, right? You realise that you said thousands watch these matchesGǪ just like the ATs. Oh, and by the way, when EVE PvP matches are held live, people show up inGǪ pretty much as many as the venue will fit. GǣThousandsGǥ for a game as popular as SC2 is pretty pathetic. Quote:you also failed to comprehend what this thread is about. The thread is about you complaining that CCP is catering to interests you don't have but others do. So the question remains: why should they not cater to those who have that insight and interest just because you don't?
I noticed you Nerf Burger failing to answer the quite highly relevant question raised in this post. Please do so for your arguement to have any semblence of meaning beyond 'WHAAAA, CCP STOP DOING STUFF I DONT LIKE!!!!'
On a seperate note I actually prefer the slower pace of eve combat simply because it doesnt force me to develop RSI inducing mouse click speeds or force me to memorise largely unimportant lists of things that only relate to one specific way to play the game. Pretty much everything I've ever learned about eve combat has been useful to me no matter what ship ive been flying at the time. |
Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2012.10.17 20:12:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:Xercodo wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:Xercodo wrote:
EVE's RNG involvement in combat is minimal
you keep trying to scrape that turd under the rug but I can still smell it. Also, toggling and ability on and off with a key press is not micro. Look at what you just said....do you have any idea how much games like SC2 rely on that exact same mechanic? In SC2 a Sentry with perfect timing of a Guardian Shield can make or break the game. Or what about a toggling the transformation of a Viking? Or an Immortal turning on Hardened Shield? I'm sure many in EVE would argue that to being comparable to overheating your repper and hardeners. Would you even acknowledge the validity of the challenge I mentioned to prove a point? If the results are even then you'll have won your argument about the RNG meaning more than skill, if there is a heavy bias to the more experienced player then clearly there is more to it than you think....especially if both players run with identical ships and skills. you are talking about several different units that you have to control the abilities and movements of while at the same time managing everything else. In eve, there is only one unit. It is not hard at all. Well in EVE it can be thousands of individual units against thousands. In a tournament you are looking (in this case) at 8 per side. Each one different, each one with unique capabilities. Try again?
and each player with 3-5 buttons to operate. Wow, hard.
fail again? "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
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Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
39
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Posted - 2012.10.17 20:15:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:
and each player with 3-5 buttons to operate. Wow, hard.
fail again?
Sounds like league of legends or Dota, pretty sure they have a solid fan base.
Have a look at Owned streams and tell me which is more popular, micro intensive RTS (i.e. SC2) or I control one unit and press 4 buttons MOBAS. |
Real Poison
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
135
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Posted - 2012.10.17 20:16:00 -
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EVE PvP is like Paper-Scissors-Rock.
Or maybe more like Paper-Scissors-Lizard-Spock-Rock. And also with added tactics and initiative and a bit of luck to it.
Skills make you have heavy paper with your shiny logo watermarked on it and your name imprinted in golden letters. But the youngster with the kid's crafting scissors will still beat your shiny all-Level-5 paper. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9971
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Posted - 2012.10.17 20:19:00 -
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Nerf Burger wrote:and each player with 3-5 buttons to operate. Wow, hard. Indeed. SC2 isn't particularly hard in terms of its controls. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Nerf Burger
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2012.10.17 20:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:]You realise that you said thousands watch these matchesGǪ just like the ATs. Oh, and by the way, when EVE PvP matches are held live, people show up inGǪ pretty much as many as the venue will fit. GǣThousandsGǥ for a game as popular as SC2 is pretty pathetic.
wrong. I said "people show up in the thousands". The last GSL in Korea had over 25000 people in attendance. Meaning they were actually there, not watching on their computers from all over the world. Learn to read before you make yourself look like even more of an idiot. In terms of actual viewership, not including those present at the tournament, Starcraft2 tournament viewership can be well over 100,000.
Is this all you derps got?
Tippia wrote:Nerf Burger wrote:and each player with 3-5 buttons to operate. Wow, hard. Indeed. SC2 isn't particularly hard in terms of its controls.
ah, yes, resort to nonsense arguments like the rest of the derps. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2584
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Posted - 2012.10.17 20:23:00 -
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You know, if you'd like for anyone to actually think you had the slightest idea of what you are talking about you'd use an alt that actually had a combat record of some sort.
So far the only impression you've made is that you have zero understanding of how combat actually works in EVE, and might (it's a stretch) have run a mission or two.
Credibility zero.
Try again? Or continue to try and milk your troll? To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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