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Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2012.10.16 23:15:00 -
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from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/10/boycott.html
I was going to post this a couple weeks ago, but then a couple directors expressed interest in entering Fweddit into the cash money tournament. Wanting to supportive of community-building in Fweddit, I put these thoughts aside, decided I'd donate a plex to the cause if it became reality. The interest from Fweddit members was minimal and the idea of entering a team is dead.
Thank goodness.
I'm actually not all that impressed with the tournament organization. Especially the entry fee. Twenty plex minimum.
What bothers me the most is that Own3D is putting up the $10000 prize money. So the fact that CCP is trying to pull enough plex out of the system, equalling $10000+ dollars, is quite annoying to me. Sure, CCP will have costs. Employee overtime, the folks in front of the cameras and the folks behind the cameras. Fifteen employees total, I'm guessing, to run the show. Then the alterations to the previous Alliance Tournament set (safe assumption that they aren't going to build an entirely new set.) Costs associated with the stream (though it's only a single stream to Own3D, who will then deal with the much larger bandwidth issues of serving it out to the 10k+ viewers.)
It annoys me that the costs are so minimal, when taking into account CCP's annual revenue, that they feel the need to cover costs at all. Granted, some entrance fee is probably necessary, and an auction is certainly preferable to a random draw, but to start the bidding at 20 plex? It seems overly excessive.
To be honest, any plex CCP collects as entrance fees should be re-inserted back into the tournament as additional prizes. But CCP is not doing this.
Which is why I'd love to see a boycott of the tournament. Will it happen? Probably not. Not sure enough people really care. Not even sure if that's a shame or not.
It would be a LOL worthy event, if only four or five teams entered the auction. Then to watch the mad scrambling afterwards by CCP, all the back-pedalling to change the entrance requirements, try to save the tournament, get an additional 28 teams to join. I'd imagine cancelling the event would be a last resort. Caldari Militia |
Jim Era
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Posted - 2012.10.16 23:18:00 -
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ugh you again |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5169
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Posted - 2012.10.16 23:19:00 -
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Why wouldn't they have a PLEX fee? It obviously helps CCP with covering costs and it ensures that the teams that enter are somewhat serious about participating. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2786
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Posted - 2012.10.16 23:23:00 -
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I am going to learn to bake!
"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1370
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Posted - 2012.10.16 23:23:00 -
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Andski wrote:Why wouldn't they have a PLEX fee? It obviously helps CCP with covering costs and it ensures that the teams that enter are somewhat serious about participating. And the costs aren't huge ... a pittance compared to annual expenditures.
And why not take the entrance fee plex and insert it back into the tournament as prizes? $10K is piddly, but by adding all the entrance fee plex, you at least double the prize money (in essence). Caldari Militia |
God's Apples
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2012.10.16 23:25:00 -
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If your corp can't afford the 10 bill to enter you're probably not making it that far anyway... |
Bane Necran
529
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Posted - 2012.10.16 23:29:00 -
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You're right, but it's not boycott worthy. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
390
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Posted - 2012.10.16 23:31:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Not sure enough people really care. Correct. I'm not entering so the cost to me is zero. The effect on me is zero.
Does that mean I've boycotted?
Do I get a cookie? "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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WilliamMays
Stuffs Inc.
19
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Posted - 2012.10.16 23:33:00 -
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The bigger purpose of having the plex entry fee is to weed out "less-than-serious" players. If there were no entry fee at all, there would be a lot of no-show teams, and even more weak teams that would get steamrolled.
Your attempt at putting a team together (very similar to my corp's attempt) is a perfect example; if there were no entry fee, you would very likely show up with 8 characters, of questionable skills, in a decent setup and get crushed by the real teams. These real teams focus their skills, ship setups, and team training time on these tournaments; they are infinitely better than the hodgepodge groups that would enter for free.
CCP is putting us on a big stage, the want competitive matches that can show the world what eve can be. |
Marzuq
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
24
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Posted - 2012.10.16 23:33:00 -
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20 Plex is rather ridiculous in my opinion. Really CCP keeps making more and more PLEX sinks to maximize their profits by not having to provide server usage time that comes with the PLEX.
All these PLEX sinks do little to help the increasing costs of PLEX.
Boycott all non-gametime PLEX sinks.
Down with the HEX store, the sculpting for PLEX, and now 20 PLEX requirements for the tournament. |
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1281
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Posted - 2012.10.16 23:39:00 -
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Oh get over yourself. Let the kids play their internet spaceship game... 10k is chump change. What do you think CCP could do with 10k? Put a down-payment on one of their workstations? This tournament is for fun. There's a free frigate tournament happening elsewhere in new eden as well. You're just being an obstructionist... seems like a call for attention.
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Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1371
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Posted - 2012.10.16 23:41:00 -
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WilliamMays wrote:The bigger purpose of having the plex entry fee is to weed out "less-than-serious" players And I pointed out that I understand that.
I would be far less annoyed if CCP were putting the entry-fee plex back into the tournament as additional prizes.
Caldari Militia |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1371
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Posted - 2012.10.16 23:42:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Oh get over yourself. Let the kids play their internet spaceship game... 10k is chump change. What do you think CCP could do with 10k? And I said exactly that. So why not put the plex back into the tournament as additional prizes?
Caldari Militia |
Bane Necran
529
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Posted - 2012.10.16 23:43:00 -
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WilliamMays wrote:The bigger purpose of having the plex entry fee is to weed out "less-than-serious" players. If there were no entry fee at all, there would be a lot of no-show teams, and even more weak teams that would get steamrolled.
Your attempt at putting a team together (very similar to my corp's attempt) is a perfect example; if there were no entry fee, you would very likely show up with 8 characters, of questionable skills, in a decent setup and get crushed by the real teams. These real teams focus their skills, ship setups, and team training time on these tournaments; they are infinitely better than the hodgepodge groups that would enter for free.
CCP is putting us on a big stage, the want competitive matches that can show the world what eve can be.
What there should be is a massive ladder people have to work their way through. That way all the people who aren't serious get weeded out early, and by the time the finals come only the dedicated are left for people to watch. Of course it would have to be something that took place over a month or so, but it would add a lot to the game.
The entrance fee makes it more about how deep someones pockets are rather than ability, and you always just have people from the richest groups competing. "It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
God's Apples
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2012.10.16 23:45:00 -
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Gogela wrote:10k is chump change.
Sounds legit. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2809
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Posted - 2012.10.16 23:46:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I am going to learn to bake!
Do you prefer stem ginger or crystallised pieces? I find fresh Ginger can make or break a successful cake. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Lord Ryan
True Xero
726
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Posted - 2012.10.16 23:55:00 -
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Uprising! Wait what are we....never mind. Do not assume-áanything above this line-áwas typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient. Nerf it cause I can't fly it. I want to fly a badass Mon Calamari stlye-ácruiser painted to match my Tron clothes. |
Blake Gates Heleneto
Android Gang
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Posted - 2012.10.16 23:56:00 -
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Gogela wrote:snip... 10k is chump change. snip
Do you mind if I borrow 4 or 5 grand then? Since apparently you got it like that... |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2012.10.17 00:08:00 -
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I cannot support your call for a boycott, however I would have no objection for people to make a point of voicing your suggestion of reinvesting part or all of the PLEX cost back into the tournament prizes.
As they have voiced the intent to expand upon this and the prizes being offered, I think they might be receptive to the idea. But I think they are treading carefully right now, as it is a very large investment of time on their part if nothing else.
Edit: I personally also think they should have a segment perhaps during one of the longer breaks where the play and allow people to vote on the "Best Player made EvE video" submitted and offer prizes for that as well.
Not only would it be interesting, it would show non-EvE players watching a glimpse of how things work in the "wild" as opposed to the more controlled tournament environment. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Nexus Day
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.17 00:18:00 -
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Where is Randy Moss when you need him? |
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James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp
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Posted - 2012.10.17 00:45:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Andski wrote:Why wouldn't they have a PLEX fee? It obviously helps CCP with covering costs and it ensures that the teams that enter are somewhat serious about participating. And the costs aren't huge ... a pittance compared to annual expenditures. And why not take the entrance fee plex and insert it back into the tournament as prizes? $10K is piddly, but by adding all the entrance fee plex, you at least double the prize money (in essence). How much do you think it costs to run this tournament? If not $10k, what do you think would be fair?
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Imawuss
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.10.17 02:58:00 -
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So your mad that the game is using PLEX as an entrance fee, becuase why again? Is it becuase it will perhaps it will raise the price of plex. If you think it will raise the price then you should buy some now and sell them for a profit. But hey its easier to complain on a forum right?
As for me i am looking forward to the tourny. |
Olleybear
I R' Carebear
125
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Posted - 2012.10.17 03:25:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I am going to learn to bake!
Me too! *\o/*
I've found the whites in farm fresh brown eggs aren't as fluffy as the whites in commercial white eggs from large producers. The yokes are little bit different as well. The farm fresh brown eggs have a deeper yellow colored yoke while the commercial white eggs have a lighter yellow yoke. Some people claim they can even taste a difference between the two eggs. However, detecting a difference in flavor between the two is beyond me. When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life. |
Touval Lysander
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
391
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Posted - 2012.10.17 03:32:00 -
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Olleybear wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I am going to learn to bake!
Me too! *\o/* I've found the whites in farm fresh brown eggs aren't as fluffy as the whites in commercial white eggs from large producers. The yokes are little bit different as well. The farm fresh brown eggs have a deeper yellow colored yoke while the commercial white eggs have a lighter yellow yoke. Some people claim they can even taste a difference between the two eggs. However, detecting a difference in flavor between the two is beyond me. +1 eggcellent post, no yoke!
"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
367
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Posted - 2012.10.17 03:36:00 -
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Well, for what it's worth, I want, and will have absolutely nothing to do with this:
This just stinks of rot and the usual CCP-tacitly-approved (if not abetted outright) corruption and rigging on so many levels to me, it's not even funny.
I could be wrong --hope so, actually-- but, yeah... Stealth Bomber bombs and covert-bridging in hisec naow, please: It's the only way to make sure! |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1371
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Posted - 2012.10.17 05:20:00 -
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Imawuss wrote:So your mad that the game is using PLEX as an entrance fee, becuase why again? Is it becuase it will perhaps it will raise the price of plex. If you think it will raise the price then you should buy some now and sell them for a profit. Thanks for reading.
The plex fee is fine. CCP using the plex to fund the tourney is not fine. Putting the plex fee back into the tournament as prizes would be fantastic.
The tourney doesn't cost that much, in the first place. CCP should be writing off the expense as a marketing cost, not forcing the players to fund the damned thing.
Caldari Militia |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1042
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Posted - 2012.10.17 05:23:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:
The tourney doesn't cost that much, in the first place. CCP should be writing off the expense as a marketing cost, not forcing the players to fund the damned thing.
Actually amid your infantile bawling you've made a mistake, it does cost them that much in time and resources, and those of us who've been playing for a while remember when the tournaments went away for a while because of funding issues.
So if CCP feel they need to charge plexes and we get tournaments out of it I don't feel its a big deal, sorry that you do. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
5111
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Posted - 2012.10.17 06:39:00 -
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If anything, I can see this being a start of EVE e-sports, something that might be rough this first time around, and may seem unfair with the PLEX buy in etc (which I can sorta agree on) but at the same time it could be done very poorly and become a laughing joke - at which point I don't think we will see this happen again.
Making EVE an e-sport, good or bad? I don't know, it could attract more people to bring out that "elite" pvp perhaps? It could become an influx of people just in it for the money and with what all that entails, the worry would if so be (from my view) that the whole game becomes e-sports focus instead of the sandbox GAME I enjoy to play to relax.
As for costs, I have no idea if they are justified or not since I have absolutely no insight in what the time, resources, effort cost CCP and its employees. All I know is that looking back at the AT I'm amazed on how it was held, and the effort people put in, volunteers, CCP'ers and others.
/c
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D4mane
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.10.17 06:44:00 -
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I guess the OP is not familiar with the eSport scene? Starcraft2 is what I watch most. Google Major League Gaming or Gomtv GSL, Dreamhack, Asus ROG...
This is just the beginning of something really good if it all goes well. |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1372
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Posted - 2012.10.17 07:04:00 -
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D4mane wrote:I guess the OP is not familiar with the eSport scene? Starcraft2 is what I watch most. Google Major League Gaming or Gomtv GSL, Dreamhack, Asus ROG... Do these eSports expect the players to fund the cost of the event through entry fees?
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