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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.10.18 03:23:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:As the titles says. I just bought myself a tengu a few days back, because I heard they are crazy fast, tank thousands of dps , dish out BC damage and have one of the highest survivablity on the Battlefield. WELL! To be frank.. I think not... I am barely dishing out 300 dps atm , only has an ehp of 35k. Thats even worse than my Drake. While on Battleclinic, I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ , and even tankier than a Skiff. SO HERE IS THE QUESTION! What is the minimum SP for which categories of skills should a newbie Tengu pilot should have , before he even thinks about hopping into one and go pew pew pvp style in it? Here is my stats according to EFT 2.16
Crikey I have a Navy Omen that could stomp that Tengu.
That's some absurdly low EHP and DPS for PvP in a ship that expensive. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Imawuss
The Scope Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2012.10.18 06:30:00 -
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If you don't know what skills you should have or how to fit a ship that will cost over 1 bil when fited you hsould not be flying said ship, as you will die very quickly. I think you should read up on how to fit, what skills do, how to fly, etc. before you take it out again. Don't ask for links use google like the rest of us. Or i will supply links if you tell us where you do missions out of ;) |
Wodensun
ZeroSec Dragon Swarm Dynasty
4
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Posted - 2012.10.18 06:40:00 -
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what did you do to that tengu
Put a active tank and faction mods on it if you get webbed now your screwed also ignore the douch saying target BC first...
Shoot anything that can web/point you first. |
Alice Saki
11779
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Posted - 2012.10.18 07:17:00 -
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Would you Believe, I fly an Armour Tengu :P Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused. I like to show my Love by Smashing people in the face with a big Hammer.
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pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
640
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Posted - 2012.10.18 07:35:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:As the titles says. I just bought myself a tengu a few days back, because I heard they are crazy fast, tank thousands of dps , dish out BC damage and have one of the highest survivablity on the Battlefield. WELL! To be frank.. I think not... I am barely dishing out 300 dps atm , only has an ehp of 35k. Thats even worse than my Drake. While on Battleclinic, I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ , and even tankier than a Skiff. SO HERE IS THE QUESTION! What is the minimum SP for which categories of skills should a newbie Tengu pilot should have , before he even thinks about hopping into one and go pew pew pvp style in it? Here is my stats according to EFT 2.16 as with every t3 cruiser they only start to shine when your subsystemskills are atleast 4 pref maxed out ( only takes a bit more than a month to max them all out ) geting your missilelaunchers support skills to 4 helps alot aswell, and you don't have to faction fir it , it works well with t2 mods aswell this and what other posters said counts for all t3 cruisers I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1577
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Posted - 2012.10.18 08:07:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ Also, lol. It's literally impossible to get 1200 DPS. You can maybe get 1100 with an entirely unrealistic officer fit with Estamel BCS and 6% implants. :P guess again http://i.imgur.com/l0tDN.png
yes, it's a HAM fit, yes, it's with 5% implants, yes, it's with all 5s (since my alt has all 5 missile support skills, it's the same), no, it has no officer mods...
PS: jk, it's 1058 dps w/o overheat :p "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
227
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Posted - 2012.10.18 08:10:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ Also, lol. It's literally impossible to get 1200 DPS. You can maybe get 1100 with an entirely unrealistic officer fit with Estamel BCS and 6% implants. :P guess again http://i.imgur.com/l0tDN.pngyes, it's a HAM fit, yes, it's with 5% implants, yes, it's with all 5s (since my alt has all 5 missile support skills, it's the same), no, it has no officer mods...
Thx for proving my point :D May I ask... if you mean... "ALL to lvl5".. do you really mean.... alll???? It is forbidden to kill. Therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.
Voltaire-á |
Alice Saki
11848
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Posted - 2012.10.18 08:12:00 -
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HAM LEGION :D :D :D Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused. I like to show my Love by Smashing people in the face with a big Hammer.
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Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1577
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Posted - 2012.10.18 08:13:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:RigsMedium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I As for PvP, not a ruddy clue Seems like you don't have a clue with PvE fits either... Just sayin' "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1577
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Posted - 2012.10.18 08:17:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ Also, lol. It's literally impossible to get 1200 DPS. You can maybe get 1100 with an entirely unrealistic officer fit with Estamel BCS and 6% implants. :P guess again http://i.imgur.com/l0tDN.pngyes, it's a HAM fit, yes, it's with 5% implants, yes, it's with all 5s (since my alt has all 5 missile support skills, it's the same), no, it has no officer mods... Thx for proving my point :D May I ask... if you mean... "ALL to lvl5".. do you really mean.... alll???? http://i.imgur.com/pMckn.png
no, just the missile support skills. there are only a few skills that affects a tengu's dps, missile support skills are the most obvious ones besides caldari offensive subsystem skill. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer |
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2012.10.18 08:25:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:or the uber gank prot with 1400dps and +400K EHP. Did you ever bother trying to achieve these numbers in EFT? Just... wow. Not to mention that we are comparing a fast ship with 90 km reach with a ramming range combat brick... Proteus can be better with specific environements and tasks, but that's it. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
1003
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Posted - 2012.10.18 08:34:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:PS: jk, it's 1058 dps w/o overheat :p Meh, I didn't think about overheat. I did assume we were talking about using the Tengu for PVE, so overheat doesn't really apply.
But you had me going there for a minute.
Also, you're apparently using a MBLA II. You reaaaally wanted to squeeze out that extra DPS. :P http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1577
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Posted - 2012.10.18 09:00:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote:PS: jk, it's 1058 dps w/o overheat :p Meh, I didn't think about overheat. I did assume we were talking about using the Tengu for PVE, so overheat doesn't really apply. But you had me going there for a minute. Also, you're apparently using a MBLA II. You reaaaally wanted to squeeze out that extra DPS. :P Yep, most of my tengu fits use T2 MBLA + 2 flares or bay thrusters for HAM, the only alternative is 2 rigors + flare or 3 field extenders for thundercats. There's no excuse no to imo. Tengus really don't need CCCs (aside from 100mn ones), they're a damn waste of rig slots/calibrations since we can fit a reasonable or even an absurd level of tank without resorting to large even med boosters. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer |
Cutter Isaacson
Nouvelle Rouvenor
1503
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Posted - 2012.10.18 09:03:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:RigsMedium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I As for PvP, not a ruddy clue Seems like you don't have a clue with PvE fits either... Just sayin'
Since I can perma run my large shield booster and AB, I'd say the fit is fine. Jus' sayin'. "The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
448
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Posted - 2012.10.18 09:03:00 -
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What an idiot... They see me trolling, they hating... |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1577
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Posted - 2012.10.18 09:10:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:RigsMedium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I As for PvP, not a ruddy clue Seems like you don't have a clue with PvE fits either... Just sayin' Since I can perma run my large shield booster and AB, I'd say the fit is fine. Jus' sayin'. If by "fine" you mean you're wasting 400 calibration and 3 rig slots which can be used to significantly increase your dps, improve your tank or better damage against smaller/faster targets with rigors/flares, then.. Ok. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer |
Cutter Isaacson
Nouvelle Rouvenor
1515
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Posted - 2012.10.18 09:26:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:RigsMedium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I As for PvP, not a ruddy clue Seems like you don't have a clue with PvE fits either... Just sayin' Since I can perma run my large shield booster and AB, I'd say the fit is fine. Jus' sayin'. If by "fine" you mean you're wasting 400 calibration and 3 rig slots which can be used to significantly increase your dps, improve your tank or better damage against smaller/faster targets with rigors/flares, then.. Ok. PS: you do know that a tengu can go over 1k dps tank even with small boosters right?
Nope, I had no idea. Then again I never did state that my fit was perfect, or even remotely amazing. All I ever said was "Here is my fit and it works fine". I can just happily zoom around, not a care in the world, I can sit perfectly still if I choose by fitting a TP for those pesky frigs.
If your only goal in EVE is ISK/ph then my setup is not very good. If you just like to relax and watch little smoke trails drifting in space and ships exploding, then my fit is "fine". "The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1533
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Posted - 2012.10.18 10:25:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:While on Battleclinic, I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ , and even tankier than a Skiff. Maybe they equipped a Vindicator in the utility high slot? TK is recruiting |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1533
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Posted - 2012.10.18 10:31:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ Also, lol. It's literally impossible to get 1200 DPS. You can maybe get 1100 with an entirely unrealistic officer fit with Estamel BCS and 6% implants. :P guess again http://i.imgur.com/l0tDN.pngyes, it's a HAM fit, yes, it's with 5% implants, yes, it's with all 5s (since my alt has all 5 missile support skills, it's the same), no, it has no officer mods... PS: jk, it's 1058 dps w/o overheat :p DAT 'EM hole..
SRSly post the fit next time you brag about your leet EFT skills TK is recruiting |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1577
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Posted - 2012.10.18 10:47:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ Also, lol. It's literally impossible to get 1200 DPS. You can maybe get 1100 with an entirely unrealistic officer fit with Estamel BCS and 6% implants. :P guess again http://i.imgur.com/l0tDN.pngyes, it's a HAM fit, yes, it's with 5% implants, yes, it's with all 5s (since my alt has all 5 missile support skills, it's the same), no, it has no officer mods... PS: jk, it's 1058 dps w/o overheat :p DAT 'EM hole.. SRSly post the fit next time you brag about your leet EFT skills If I need to omnitank, I'd fit an omnitank. EM resists will do you no good with serpentis rats; also no, I won't post the fit; and no, I wasn't bragging about EFT skills, for the same reason why I didn't post the fittings in the first place. Fitting a tengu is a common knowledge, a lot of people who knows what they're doing can easily guess where the numbers from my screenshot are coming from. "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer |
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Generals4
1532
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Posted - 2012.10.18 12:50:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ Also, lol. It's literally impossible to get 1200 DPS. You can maybe get 1100 with an entirely unrealistic officer fit with Estamel BCS and 6% implants. :P guess again http://i.imgur.com/l0tDN.pngyes, it's a HAM fit, yes, it's with 5% implants, yes, it's with all 5s (since my alt has all 5 missile support skills, it's the same), no, it has no officer mods... Thx for proving my point :D May I ask... if you mean... "ALL to lvl5".. do you really mean.... alll????
You don't need all the skills at V however you better have Hvy missiles or HAM's at V , spec skill at III-IV. Subsystem skills at IV and V for the offensive one. Missile support skills should be at least at IV and let's not forget your capacitor & shield skills are pretty important too. The thing is, the Tengu is a pretty expensive ship and you don't wanna spend so much money on a ship you'll only be able to use at 50% of its capacity. -Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
230
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Posted - 2012.10.18 15:04:00 -
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Generals4 wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:Sarah Schneider wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:I see people dishing out 1200 dps+ Also, lol. It's literally impossible to get 1200 DPS. You can maybe get 1100 with an entirely unrealistic officer fit with Estamel BCS and 6% implants. :P guess again http://i.imgur.com/l0tDN.pngyes, it's a HAM fit, yes, it's with 5% implants, yes, it's with all 5s (since my alt has all 5 missile support skills, it's the same), no, it has no officer mods... Thx for proving my point :D May I ask... if you mean... "ALL to lvl5".. do you really mean.... alll???? You don't need all the skills at V however you better have Hvy missiles or HAM's at V , spec skill at III-IV. Subsystem skills at IV and V for the offensive one. Missile support skills should be at least at IV and let's not forget your capacitor & shield skills are pretty important too. The thing is, the Tengu is a pretty expensive ship and you don't wanna spend so much money on a ship you'll only be able to use at 50% of its capacity.
capacitor?? why do I need more cap?? Missiles don't use cap :O, and my subsytems aren't fit for perma AB boost It is forbidden to kill. Therefore all murderers are punished unless they kill in large numbers and to the sound of trumpets.
Voltaire-á |
Hauling Hal
The Black Ops Black Core Alliance
95
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Posted - 2012.10.18 15:20:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote: capacitor?? why do I need more cap?? Missiles don't use cap :O, and my subsytems aren't fit for perma AB boost
Sig tanking a Tengu is one of the reasons people fly it. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
697
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Posted - 2012.10.18 18:58:00 -
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If your going to fly a tech 3, there really isn't any excuse not to raise all the sub system skills to 5. They are all training multiplier 1 and super fast to max out.
Hell I trained every sub system of EVERY RACE to 5 in less time than it takes to train just a few of the higher training multiplier skills.
Ivy Romanova wrote:capacitor?? why do I need more cap?? Missiles don't use cap :O, and my subsytems aren't fit for perma AB boost
You don't see it as often now, and even when you did it was rare due to the difficulty of flying it, but for awhile people were fitting the AB sub on them and mounting oversized (BS) 100mn afterburners.
Gave nearly mwd speed that couldn't be shut down the way an MWD could. Only problem was it turned like a truck and as mentioned above, was quite difficult to fly. Then they would just kite from over 100km with heavy launchers.
Garmon started the trend. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
697
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Posted - 2012.10.18 20:09:00 -
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Alright, although I'm not fond of your fit (and really not that fond of the Tengu either), I went ahead and did a side by side comparison of your EFT numbers and mine using your exact fit.
And as you can see, the difference in primary and support skills between you and I make a HUGE difference.
I realized I forgot to fit rigs to mine after the fact.
Side by side EFT Numbers |
Wolf Kruol
Sinisenkuun Laguuni GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
23
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Posted - 2012.10.18 20:20:00 -
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If you lack the skills to fly a tengu.. you shouldn't fly it. Stick to drakes. When all skills related to flying a ship properly trained to lvl4 or better then fly a Tech 3 ship.
Fault is your own for being a noob. Ask before you invest into something pricy. Find out the fit that is proper too can help.
GÇ£If you're very very stupid? How can you possibly realize you're very very stupid?
You have to be relatively intelligent to realize how stupid you really are!GÇ¥ |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
843
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Posted - 2012.10.18 23:22:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:or the uber gank prot with 1400dps and +400K EHP. Did you ever bother trying to achieve these numbers in EFT? Just... wow.
Sry if you can't find out how to. Now if you ask me if this might actually have any use, I'd say probably. Do I fit it alike and use all the necessary stuff to bring it at those numbers?-no
But is it possible? -yes it is. brb |
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
216
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Posted - 2012.10.18 23:46:00 -
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You didn't hear? They are nerfing Tengu.
2005 Caldari 2007 Ca*dari 2010 Ca*d*ri 2012 C****ri R.I.P. Vile Rat |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
680
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Posted - 2012.10.19 00:07:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Don't fly any ship unless you are appropriately skilled to fly it.
And conversely prepared to lose the ship. |
JC Anderson
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
697
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Posted - 2012.10.19 00:22:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:Don't fly any ship unless you are appropriately skilled to fly it. And conversely prepared to lose the ship.
^ ^ Very important |
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