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Stepping Razor
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Posted - 2005.03.24 12:50:00 -
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I think an awful lot of folks would quit. And yeah, that does mean they/I are overly attached to our imaginary digital assets and skills. No big surprise there, nobody would play hours a day unless they blurred the lines a bit between RL and VR...
Razor
Originally by: Bonaventure Phaidon CCP is the best at at least three things: 1. Really, really fun gameplay 2. Good forum presence 3. Inventing new and exciting ways to bring about in-game catacly |
Baytt
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Posted - 2005.03.24 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: PAPA NO ITS MY **MILL SKILLS POINTS AND TIME IVE PUT IN! AND CRAP IVE PUT UP WITH. IF YOU DIDNT START WHEN IT CAME OUT DONT BLAME OTHERS
what he said ^ ^
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aeti
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Posted - 2005.03.24 13:01:00 -
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reset ftl ;(
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.03.24 13:01:00 -
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Thanks all of you that offered constructive replies. This was only an idea I had, and I wanted feedback from the community that I (mostly, now, not entirely) respect.
Discorporation np on the sister thing, I don't actually have a sister. I just tell people that they made her cry for some reason.
You all have to understand that I am trying to be objective here, aside from the earlier thing aimed at pirates, I think this would benefit all.
Falbala, that is a good point I didn't think of. I think if there was a reset (which I doubt there ever will be! ) it would have to be timed very well as to catch the bored majority and not be the final nail that broke the donkeys back for them.
Discorporation, that's a good point about the complexity of Planetarion vs Eve, but at the end of the day they both stimulate the same feeling of achievement and I'm relatively sure some similar system exists in another game of eve-like depth.
Thanks for continuing constructive ideas everyone!
Flamers: There is a secret cheat for 900 billion isk... the devs hid it behind the 'unsubscribe' button in 'account management'! Quick! ------------
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Thyro
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Posted - 2005.03.24 13:01:00 -
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Can I have my money back if you reset the servers?
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.03.24 13:31:00 -
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This is ancient-bored-player syndrome. Go do something else for a few months and come back to EVE when you start to miss it.
I have only been playing for around six months and I have never worried much about people having more skill points then me, for the simple fact that in most combat skill points mean jack. Its about who makes the most of their ships. Hell I can waste a 20mil SP elite frig flying character with a cheap cruiser. EVE isnt the sort of game where the "high level" characters are gods compared to the noobs.
Even if the game was reset those who know how to play well and who have similar friends will be on top after a few months anyway. I am a relative noob, and without much effort have acquired enough Isk for eight tier 2 BS. Without game play changes I could do the same after a reset (as nearly all my money came from NPC's). --------------------------------------------------
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Death Merchant
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Posted - 2005.03.24 14:00:00 -
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Economics: Newer players make money... ALOT faster than I did when i first started.
Content: There are alot more ships/modules/facilities for new players than in the begining.
Learning: Advance learning skills mean alot more to newer players than older players due to the level 4/5 diffrences. People are catching up alot faster.
Combat: This one statement usually levels the playing field in alot of combat situations, "Primary Target is ______"
Conclusion: Look at all the EW skills coming out. Its a whole new ballgame out there. Your actually gonna need EW specialist. CCP has tried to make this game more specialized since the begining. I think now you have more dedicated frig, dedicated miner, dedicated producer characters than ever. Newer players just need to specialize to be better than older ones. No need for any resets.
P.S.> Someone erases my gunnery skills, I'm buying a one way plane ticket to iceland
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PAPA
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Posted - 2005.03.24 14:01:00 -
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Did you really think any one would think this was a good idea ?
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Wotok
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Posted - 2005.03.24 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon Periodic resets are already tried and tested in some MMOGs, like Brower based Planetarion, Starsphere and others.
That's like comparing Eve to Planetarion ...
(Planetarion did stagnate because there seldom was new content. And resets make sense because there is not much content at all and so you quickly reached the end of possibilities...it's just...you cant compare games like planetarion and eve... btw, don't take me wrong: I like planetarion )
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Destable
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Posted - 2005.03.24 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: The Enslaver Perhaps it could be interesting to have a restart again with the changes since actual launch.
Meh, myself I'm fairly neutral on the subject.
I'm kinda with you on this.
Pretty neutral, but could see the interesting possibilities. It would create a situation where each existing player, and corp would have the opportunity to apply everything they've learned with a fresh slate.
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Valeriya
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Posted - 2005.03.24 14:14:00 -
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Edited by: Valeriya on 24/03/2005 14:20:41 Aren't you a little early for April fools?
Starting from nothing way back in the day was fun. Where loosing a blackbird was a major financial blow. But would I do it again? Heck no! I'm having more fun now than I ever did in Eve before.
Resetting the game to ground zero would loose ALOT of the existing playerbase. Alot more than would be gained through new players. -
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Tobiaz
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Posted - 2005.03.24 14:42:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Originally by: hired goon Edited by: hired goon on 24/03/2005 12:06:45 Gandhi is rolling in his grave you sadistinc, flame-spurting troll-monsters! You made my sister cry!
Na, that's you suggesting this that made her cry 0-o
Ohnoes we got a true Captain Rottingham in tha house!!!
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Sorja
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Posted - 2005.03.24 14:53:00 -
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Yes, a reset would be good for the game. And close to no one would leave the game because of this, I already experienced 'wipes' in other games, and the server population is always higher after than before. Some shout aloud, but usually those that aren't used to think for more to 0.1 sec
So yes, wipe the servers and have everybody start anew. Maybe with a faster learning curve
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.03.24 15:00:00 -
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Originally by: Valeriya Edited by: Valeriya on 24/03/2005 14:20:41 Aren't you a little early for April fools?
Starting from nothing way back in the day was fun. Where loosing a blackbird was a major financial blow. But would I do it again? Heck no! I'm having more fun now than I ever did in Eve before.
Resetting the game to ground zero would loose ALOT of the existing playerbase. Alot more than would be gained through new players.
You are of course, absolutely right. If the next post after this was kieron saying "This is a very good idea, it's got the go-ahead", and the next time I logged in I was in an ibis with 1000isk, there would be massive outcry and ironically - exodus
I wonder if it was explained and understood before eve was released that it would face a reset every two years, perhaps things would be more interesting. And what if Eve was given a graphic-overhaul during resets? Less people would leave thinking "I'm done with this old game, time for something new that looks shiny" ... they'd stick with the game they love and the mechanic they know, because it will essentially be a sequel. ------------
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Clevinger
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Posted - 2005.03.24 15:04:00 -
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Its never going to happen of course, but it would be interesting to see how Eve would turn out as a round based game like Planetarion.
Off hand I can think of several big benefits from structuring Eve this way. It would suit the way skills are trained in Eve for a start. It would mean much faster skill training and avoid the growing gap in skill points between new players and veterans. Mining and other ways of acquiring resources would have to be sped up and streamlined, reducing a lot of the grind there is in the current version of Eve. Permanent death would become a viable game concept.
In general I think it would lead to a more PvP oriented game and to more people willing to PvP. If players know the server is going to be reset at the end of each round they might be more willing to risk their characters and assets in 0.0.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.24 15:07:00 -
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But that'd mean not playing eve for months, goon
Like, with planetarion, a month downtime was pretty average, and that was a pretty retardedly simple game comparted to eve. I don't think i'd still be interested in playing eve it was down for more then 6 months, and I think alot more people won't be either.
Lets just wait for Eve2, ok?
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.03.24 15:07:00 -
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Hey there's another advantage I just thought of... all those players (like me :) ) that are addicted to Eve and can find time for nothing else could have maybe a month break during resets to go to the toilet, get something to eat, wash etc. ------------
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.24 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon Hey there's another advantage I just thought of... all those players (like me :) ) that are addicted to Eve and can find time for nothing else could have maybe a month break during resets to go to the toilet, get something to eat, wash etc.
dude, thats what the daily DT is for 0-o
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Wyldkat
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Posted - 2005.03.24 15:18:00 -
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Ok, I'm still pretty much a newbie to eve with only about 3-4 mil sp, but did you even stop to think for 5 seconds the ammount of damage a reset would do?
Eve is driven by players more than npcs, meaning that everything that is currently on the market from PC would be gone, BPOs would have to be earned all over again, Corps would be in tatters because the founders would have to train the management skills all over again.
It's good that the player base of Eve trys to come up with ideas to help it, but I realy wish some of you would atleast try to look at everything objectivly, and quit just thinking of yourselves.
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Dionysus Davinci
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Posted - 2005.03.24 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Dionysus Davinci on 24/03/2005 15:30:11
Originally by: hired goon like Brower based Planetarion,
You know, its a bad idea to use a product as an exmaple that pretty much failed let alone actually could be 'won' and is why there was resets.
Not to mention, the begining of Eve sucked because there was no players with the income to blow on the fancy stuff. Not to mention frigate mining sucks.
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Gunstar Zero
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Posted - 2005.03.24 15:29:00 -
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I say we dust off and nuke this site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
perhaps not.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.03.24 15:34:00 -
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Why not just reset hired goon to 0 so he can have his fun at his own expense, not everyone else's.
___winterblink/warp_drive_active/eve_nature_vraie// |
0seeker0
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Posted - 2005.03.24 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: 0seeker0 on 24/03/2005 15:48:48 I can see where your coming from. I hesitate at saying "thats a good idea" but its an inspiring one.
Dont forget, it would be lots of things that would be reset. How about a partial reset, so; You design a new character, and that character starts out with the basic skills, and basic money..
BUT, that character rejoins the same corp by default etc. So its like taking a big throwing disc accross the playerbase and cutting everyone down to the same size, but not altering the lay of the land.
It will never happen tho.
san.
Edit; spasticated typing Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware.
Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
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hired goon
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Posted - 2005.03.24 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: hired goon on 24/03/2005 16:16:20 Apologize for outburst waterblnk mate. ------------
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.03.24 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: hired goon
Originally by: Winterblink Why not just reset hired goon to 0 so he can have his fun at his own expense, not everyone else's.
Why not just give Winterblink his own little forum, so he can post there whenever he is upset, and then can reflect on how cool his comment made him look infront of noone.
I like that idea! And I'm not upset, I just think your idea is not a good one. If you can't handle that from a public forum, I suggest to you that you shouldn't post your ideas at all. ___winterblink/warp_drive_active/eve_nature_vraie// |
Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2005.03.24 16:37:00 -
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If you reset the game, you also reset its socio-economic structure, without actually resolving any of the problems the current socio-economic structure currently has.
As I've stated before, there has become a massive rift between producers and combatants in the game. That rift was not there Day 0, and resetting everyone back to 100sp and 1000 isk won't remove it either. It will, however, remove all economic structures and developement that has been made in the past three years, and we will have to rebuild that structure before we can move on to the more advanced societies required to heal that rift.
This game has more in common with a biological ecosystem, than it does with a glorified chess game, and like biological ecosystems, there needs to be a certain active biomass before things can really start to happen. Even when we're undergoing a social mass extinction, that active biomass is still there. You reset the game, and it isn't.
In short, a mass reset would be as effective at saving this game as glassing over the planet would be at saving the dinosaurs. This thing needs to run its course. Let it happen, and stop trying to make it worse.
Harry Voyager
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.03.24 17:00:00 -
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If it resets, do I get my 2 years subscriptions and ú30 boxed game payments back on both my accounts?
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SPIONKOP
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Posted - 2005.03.24 17:18:00 -
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This can be done with a new server. People will be free to open new accounts on this server. I doubt you would be able to move accounts between servers.
Indeed if the marketing guys in CCP want to push the Asian bloodline later in the year then it may make sense to have a new server on the other side of the world where, as it happens, a good deal of Asians happen to live. (Does it help game play if server is 10,000 miles closer?)
As for a reset on the current live server no thanks.
If you want that "noob" feeling give all your stuff away, pod yourself with a 30k clone, and start again. Best keep a million and a bantum in your hanger to give you a head start.
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Dao 2
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Posted - 2005.03.24 17:52:00 -
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periodic resets (for me) is a no ;p one reset at some point? im fine with that i am a collecter and i do collect stuff. im sure ill cry when i realize what i supported when it starts over but the funniest days for me were the beginning days.
im willing to give up ally my stuff to restart. i wouldnt be happy and id ***** and cry but id like it in the end i think ;p
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M0RIARTY
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Posted - 2005.03.24 17:54:00 -
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I can't believe the length of some of these replies when all you really needed to say is: NO
Noo sig comming SOONÖ =================================================== What are we going to do about all this ignorance and apathy?.... I don't know and I don't care! |
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