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Yeux Gris
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Posted - 2005.03.27 09:59:00 -
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Just make it so that none market items can be placed on escrow, and market items automatically have to be personal escrows.
There ya go :)
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Harmonatrics
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Posted - 2005.03.27 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: McBane From what I've seen above, i think the best way re: escrow (in my opinion of course!) would be to introduce skills required to use it - that would stop all bar the determined spcammer. The skills could be used to a. determine if you can use escrow at all, and then effect for example number of items you can list, length they can be listed for and fees for the listing.
There doesn't need to be just skills introduced, but hefty Fee's and tax's.
An escrow fee based on the items Base market price wouldn't really work, but a Brokers fee of something crazy like 10% (lowered with Trade skills?) of the total Escrow price would be fine, but it would need to paid before the items are setup, and the escrow bug would need to be fixed so that escrows you've paid to go up dont disapear from regional veiw after a few hours.
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Kyanzes
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Posted - 2005.03.27 11:42:00 -
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I totally agree that scamming on escrow is immoral, however, if you are not willing to examine what you are going to buy then you are an opportunist which has its punishment: you buy something worth nothing for a lot of money. Also, it would be cool to limit the escrow usage so ppl wouldn't be able to put up 345343234 escrow offers a day (the other day I saw a folk putting up s@@tlodads of railguns).
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Malena VXXI
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Posted - 2005.03.27 11:50:00 -
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realy dont understand all the fuss about escrow just check the escrow first
then you see the correct stuff what is escrowed Miner | Trader |
Adiion Agnod
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Posted - 2005.03.27 12:10:00 -
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Edited by: Adiion Agnod on 27/03/2005 12:11:41 The simple matter of fact is that there alts are here to stay, problematic or no people have valid characters as alts and taking them away now would have serious implications for the playerbase. To be honest I can see why most MMORPG's have taken the one character per server per account stance. But with eve having only one server, and coupling with the fact people like to try something different from time to time, the 3 character per account system became a valid need.
Escrow scammers are a nuiscance, but think of it in RPG terms(the part that most people miss out when playing MMORPG's) consider alts as the petty thieves and extorsionists working for criminal organisations and/or working under pseudonyms. Ooooh, heres an idea, we have agents that track down characters... why not have agents that can tell us who the character in question has made cash donations to?
edit: I also like the idea of limiting the number of escrows people can have up per day as well as the number of escrows up at once, we have to do this with the market, why not escrow.
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Shinca
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Posted - 2005.03.27 12:40:00 -
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What is needed is a block function, same as for chat. I don't care if people scam since all it takes to avoid being scamed is check what you are buying. I do however hate it to have to go through hundreds of scam escrows to find something legit.
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Altaireus
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Posted - 2005.03.27 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Malena VXXI realy dont understand all the fuss about escrow just check the escrow first
then you see the correct stuff what is escrowed
That's not always the case. Some BPOs simply doesnt show up when inspecting the escrow, and this is NOT only when a scammer tries to sell a empty bpc.
Its easy to accuse someone of scamming when this happens (like most people in the not so helpful Help channel did when i asked if a GM could verify if the BPO was actually there), but you might be doing it to someone that tries to sell a perfectly valid item. Instead we had to wait for the escrow to expire and make a direct trade.
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banished
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Posted - 2005.03.27 13:50:00 -
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I really dont think there is anyway that will totally stamp out scams on escrow. But there may be ways to bring it down.
I would think one such way would be to introduce the broker and sales tax to escrow. If someone wants to sell a basic miner for 100 mil on the market, then you would have to pay at least a million in taxes. Now if they do it in escrow, its considerably less. It wouldnt stop everyone but someone might think twice about posting up scams if they are going to be taxed.
Of course, the easiest way to make sure you arent scammed is to check what you are buying. Sure it might take time but I would rather spend more time checking than buying a basic miner for 100 mil thats been named a Raven
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McBane
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Posted - 2005.03.27 16:04:00 -
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Ok, in summary of the points raised aboveà
Firstly, I have never suggested scamming be eliminated in itÆs entirety, it is part of the game and should remain so. I freely acknowledge that it is easy to check and thus not get sucked in by an escrow scam û but it is annoying the number of scam spams in escrow that effectively push out the legitimate escrows. For this I am guilty of a lil rant
I do think that skills and costs should be implemented into the escrow system as this would do a lot to reduce scamming and spamming on escrow.
I think a rating system would be good, although cannot see any easy way this could be implemented without being exploitable or unreliable.
My main point is that with the use of Alts, scamming and other anti-social or æbadÆ behaviour is totally and utterly without any risk whatsoever as there are no in game tools at all that would allow any retribution û be it personal combat, war declaration or whatever. This is due entirely to the fact players can hide behind free, disposable characters of no worth at all that never need to be in game and never need to worry about being killed (even if they were to undock!), isk or any consequences of their actions.
I am of the adamant view that Alts should be removed from the game altogether, for the above and numerous other reasons. The main argument, and as far as I am aware the only argument from CCP for there inclusion was to allow for corp espionage. I think there are many better ways of achieving this without Alts û via the agent system for one obvious example.
While I appreciate many legitimate users of Alts would be at a loss if Alts were to be removed, I think there are several ways that this can be dealt with on a fair basis û for example converting skilled Alts into a new account and giving a a free period of game time.
I am also, probably controversially and flame inducingly, of the opinion that many of the so called legitimate uses for Alts are more akin to 'cheats' rather than legitimate uses.
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3rdD Dave
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Posted - 2005.03.27 16:39:00 -
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why not have a fourm for naming and shameing alts. Plus it could be an area where you could post scams for others to be on the lookout.
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DukDodgerz
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Posted - 2005.03.27 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: 3rdD Dave why not have a fourm for naming and shameing alts. Plus it could be an area where you could post scams for others to be on the lookout.
ya, that sure balances that risk factor huh....sure will make them think twice huh...
thieves, scammers have no risk in game what so ever. fix this or remove the ability to exploit the mechanics that allow it to happen.
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