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Mildiner
Sigma Mining
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Posted - 2012.10.21 13:02:00 -
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Hey all
If you need anything up to and including cruiser sized, packaged ships transported from high sec into low sec safely and quickly I can cover collateral up to 50mil ISK. Fees negotiable.
Let me know if interested. |
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
134
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Posted - 2012.10.21 14:50:00 -
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Mildiner wrote:Hey all
If you need anything up to and including cruiser sized, packaged ships transported from high sec into low sec safely and quickly I can cover collateral up to 50mil ISK. Fees negotiable.
I currently operate in and around the Lonetrek region.
Let me know if interested.
You're really going to have to get more isk for collateral then that tbh.. Thats enough for like 4 t1 frigs..
Might also want to consider joining the already established freighter corps like Red frog |
Mildiner
Sigma Mining
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Posted - 2012.10.21 17:35:00 -
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Thank you Tarrant, I appreciate the advice.
While we're on the topic of collateral, why is it so high? I'd struggle to find a T2 cruiser that was worth much more than 50mil and my understanding was that collateral was meant to cover the cost of the cargo in case it doesn't get to its destination. Is it just the convention that collateral is multiple times the value of the cargo for some reason?
Joining a corp is an idea I guess, but I like being independent. But from the sounds of it I won't be able to get the capital together to get moving :( |
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1910
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Posted - 2012.10.21 18:58:00 -
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That's a nice service you're offering.
Although i don't need it, i just wanted to tell you that i like that you're even trying and that you're promoting it in C&P !
Keep up the good work ! Inappropriate signature removed. Spitfire |
Mildiner
Sigma Mining
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Posted - 2012.10.21 20:43:00 -
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Thanks Solstice, that's made me feel better!
I've done my share of pirate activities in the past and I always remember the hassle I had trying to get hold of HACs + fittings in low sec. Of course, you can use an alt, but unless that alt can fly a cloaky transport ship with T2 cargo expanders and rigs, it's going to be difficult to move something the size of a HAC with confidence.
If I was ro raise the collateral to 200mil do you reckon that would do it? It would certainly cover the cost of a normal HAC.
Guess there's only one way to find out. I'll edit the original amount. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1409
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Posted - 2012.10.21 21:25:00 -
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Three points of advice:
1. Should probably increase your coverage to the entirety of Empire space.
2. Have a list of fees in the OP so people can know what you're charging, and how competitive you are.
3. Consider making "purchase runs" for people. For example, you charge 5% (or less) up front, and then you go to a hub and purchase a ship/setup for a person, which you then deliver to his system of choice. But keep in mind that charging anything more than a down payment that covers market taxes (in case you have to sell the item back) will make people not use you. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Xylorn Hasher
Sumiyoshi-Kai
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Posted - 2012.10.21 22:04:00 -
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Acctually your service might be very usefull for my mates.
Deliveries will be in Gusandall, short trip from Rens hub.
Contact me or CptHaoc eventually Deamon gr for buisness opportunities. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2832
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Posted - 2012.10.21 22:39:00 -
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I used to offer this kind of service and it was rewarding to do so. I hope you have some interest! If you identify some particular corps that tend to hang out in particular hotspots you could do well to gain blue standings with them in exchange for some discount. Safety first! (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://bit.ly/RB6X4C ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Mildiner
Sigma Mining
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Posted - 2012.10.22 07:58:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Three points of advice:
1. Should probably increase your coverage to the entirety of Empire space.
2. Have a list of fees in the OP so people can know what you're charging, and how competitive you are.
3. Consider making "purchase runs" for people. For example, you charge 5% (or less) up front, and then you go to a hub and purchase a ship/setup for a person, which you then deliver to his system of choice. But keep in mind that charging anything more than a down payment that covers market taxes (in case you have to sell the item back) will make people not use you.
Thank you Destiny. I shall attempt to respond in kind.
1. Agreed. I shall update the OP. I did suspect that dealing only around Lonetrek may be problematic.
2. I plan on doing this but I am struggling to know where to pitch it at. How about I ask now?
As far as I am concerned the fee should be based upon jumps required (distance) and the value of the cargo. So, perhaps some sort of cost per jump and then a multiplier based upon how much of the maximum collateral I use?
I cant quite decide what X and Y should be in each case below:
Basic charge (applies in all cases and is a constant) - X ISK
Cost per jump - Y ISK
Cargo Value Multiplier - up to 50mil (Yx1), 50mil to 100mil (Yx2), 100mil to 150mil (Yx3), 150mil to 200mil (Yx4)
3. I'd had this same idea too! Nice to see there's a proper name for it. I will look to add this as a service if the basic transporting bit takes off (or if I get loads of requests for it).
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Mildiner
Sigma Mining
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Posted - 2012.10.22 08:07:00 -
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Xylorn Hasher wrote:Acctually your service might be very usefull for my mates.
Deliveries will be in Gusandall, short trip from Rens hub.
Contact me or CptHaoc eventually Deamon gr for buisness opportunities.
Thank you Hasher
I shall be in contact.
My aim is to have everything properly up and running by the start of next week. |
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Ristlin Wakefield
Wanderers of the Eternal Darkness Eternal Pretorian Alliance
125
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Posted - 2012.10.22 14:03:00 -
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If you need startup funds you can get a loan from Market Discussions. I make a bulk of my money from investing in businesses like yours and there are a lot of high rollers who like funding smaller loans (generally higher interest rates).
Depending on how much time you have to play and how successful you will be, you can ask between 500 and 1 billion ISK. For 1 billion ISK you shouldn't need a collateral as long as you are willing to write up a good business plan and describe what you plan on doing. An investor will also look at the interest rate you will be offering, the loan duration, and the exit plan you offer.
To know how much money you can make, look at Black Frog, Red Frog, and Push and compare their rates. Imagine that you can do a few of those runs a night.
Also look through the forum to see who posted in Red Frog and Push looking for low-sec deliveries (a lot of times someone will lament about the lack of low-sec transport services/cost -- that will give you a lead).
Good luck!
I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license. |
Mildiner
Sigma Mining
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Posted - 2012.10.22 16:40:00 -
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Updated to now include prices. |
Mildiner
Sigma Mining
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Posted - 2012.10.22 16:48:00 -
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Ristlin Wakefield wrote:If you need startup funds you can get a loan from Market Discussions. I make a bulk of my money from investing in businesses like yours and there are a lot of high rollers who like funding smaller loans (generally higher interest rates).
Depending on how much time you have to play and how successful you will be, you can ask between 500 and 1 billion ISK. For 1 billion ISK you shouldn't need a collateral as long as you are willing to write up a good business plan and describe what you plan on doing. An investor will also look at the interest rate you will be offering, the loan duration, and the exit plan you offer.
To know how much money you can make, look at Black Frog, Red Frog, and Push and compare their rates. Imagine that you can do a few of those runs a night.
Also look through the forum to see who posted in Red Frog and Push looking for low-sec deliveries (a lot of times someone will lament about the lack of low-sec transport services/cost -- that will give you a lead).
Good luck!
Thank you Wakefield
That's some great advice and I will certainly keep it in mind. I hope to be able to to fund the collateral for these services myself but if I start getting contracts for cargo I cannot afford to cover I shall certainly consider getting a loan.
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
163
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Posted - 2012.10.22 17:18:00 -
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noted |
Mildiner
Sigma Mining
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Posted - 2012.10.22 17:21:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:I used to offer this kind of service and it was rewarding to do so. I hope you have some interest! If you identify some particular corps that tend to hang out in particular hotspots you could do well to gain blue standings with them in exchange for some discount. Safety first!
Heh, I hear that! Great idea.
Having been a pirate, I am fairly good at knowing how they operate and how to avoid trouble. Of course, it never hurts to be blue! |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
57
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Posted - 2012.10.22 17:51:00 -
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Do you charge for any empty jumps either to or from shipper/consignee? |
Mildiner
Sigma Mining
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Posted - 2012.10.22 18:33:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:Do you charge for any empty jumps either to or from shipper/consignee?
If you mean, do I charge for actually getting to the pickup point and getting back to base? No. Getting to the pickup point and back from the dropoff is my problem.
Worse case scenario is a contract that just happens to not fit anywhere workable at a given time due to location in which case I would probably politely decline it or attempt to arrange another, more convenient time for it to happen. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
57
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Posted - 2012.10.22 22:06:00 -
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Alright, next question. Will you deliver to a POS if you have the appropriate access and standings? If so, is there a surcharge?
I assume W-Space is off the table by default.
I'm not an outlaw myself, I just like to help out fellow entrepreneurs when I can. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
1414
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Posted - 2012.10.22 22:20:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:Alright, next question. Will you deliver to a POS if you have the appropriate access and standings? If so, is there a surcharge?
I assume W-Space is off the table by default.
I'm not an outlaw myself, I just like to help out fellow entrepreneurs when I can. My advice is don't do either of these two things unless they're covering at least 50-60% of the combined value of your ship and cargo. As a mercenary corporation, we refuse all non-high-sec jobs unless our fleet is insured, or we're using cheap stuff like bombers (the money is of course returned later). That way they won't even break even, assuming 50% drop rates, if it's a trap. You can probably even ask for 100% once you have the necessary reputation to be trusted, which for sub-1-billion hauls shouldn't take very long because it's really not a whole lot of money these days. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
58
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Posted - 2012.10.22 22:34:00 -
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Good advice. |
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jimmyjam
Deadspace Exploration Conglomerate Clockwork Pineapple
65
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:01:00 -
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Mildiner wrote:Hey all
If you need anything up to and including cruiser sized, packaged ships transported from high sec into low sec safely and quickly I can cover collateral up to 200mil ISK. Prices below:
PRICES
Pickup fee - 1mil ISK (this is charged each time for multiple pickups from different stations) Cost per high sec jump - 0.3mil ISK Cost per low sec jump - 0.6mil ISK Addtional cost for cargo valued under 50mil - No Charge Addtional cost for cargo valued between 50mil and 100mil - 1mil ISK Addtional cost for cargo valued between 100mil and 150mil - 2mil ISK Additional cost for cargo valued between 150mil and 200mil - 3mil ISK
Maximum cargo volume per contract - 10,200m^3
Low cost example Iskur plus fittings picked up from a single station and moved 4 jumps through high sec and 1 through low sec: COST - 2.8mil ISK
High cost example Vagabond plus fittings picked up from 2 stations and moved 15 jumps through high sec and 3 through low sec: COST - 11.3mil ISK
DISCLAIMER - I reserve the right to alter these rates if required for any reason but once a contract has been accepted I will honour the rate agreed at the time.
I used to be an outlaw and so know the hassle of trying to getting tech 2 cruisers and fittings into low sec safely. Being blown up while inside a badger is no way for a beautiful HAC to get destroyed! Don't risk your ISK, let me deal with it.
Coverage - Empire wide.
Eve mail me for quotes and availabilty. There is other groups doing this in allmost every region for a lot cheaper good luck. |
Mildiner
Sigma Mining
2
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:18:00 -
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jimmyjam wrote: There is other groups doing this in allmost every region for a lot cheaper good luck.
Perhaps, but I'll bet they aren't as charming as I am
Also, I must have missed all these low sec haulers when I was a pirate because I had no end of trouble getting gear from the trade hubs. |
Mildiner
Sigma Mining
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Posted - 2012.10.22 23:20:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:Alright, next question. Will you deliver to a POS if you have the appropriate access and standings? If so, is there a surcharge?
I assume W-Space is off the table by default.
I'm not an outlaw myself, I just like to help out fellow entrepreneurs when I can.
I think I'll stick to low sec for now. Null space means dictor bubbles and that makes me nervous. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
58
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Posted - 2012.10.23 02:38:00 -
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What about the more important part of my post? |
Mildiner
Sigma Mining
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Posted - 2012.10.23 07:28:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:What about the more important part of my post?
Sorry, brain didn't engage.
Initially I think I'll avoid delivering to any POS. It's a secondary level of complexity I'll need to think hard about and I want to estabilish a solid customer base delivering to normal stations before even consiering it. However, depending on how things go I may branch out assuming I can put the necessary safety measures in place. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
58
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Posted - 2012.10.23 10:55:00 -
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Fair enough. |
Ristlin Wakefield
Wanderers of the Eternal Darkness Eternal Pretorian Alliance
127
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Posted - 2012.10.23 13:41:00 -
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jimmyjam wrote:Mildiner wrote:Hey all
If you need anything up to and including cruiser sized, packaged ships transported from high sec into low sec safely and quickly I can cover collateral up to 200mil ISK. Prices below:
PRICES
Pickup fee - 1mil ISK (this is charged each time for multiple pickups from different stations) Cost per high sec jump - 0.3mil ISK Cost per low sec jump - 0.6mil ISK Addtional cost for cargo valued under 50mil - No Charge Addtional cost for cargo valued between 50mil and 100mil - 1mil ISK Addtional cost for cargo valued between 100mil and 150mil - 2mil ISK Additional cost for cargo valued between 150mil and 200mil - 3mil ISK
Maximum cargo volume per contract - 10,200m^3
Low cost example Iskur plus fittings picked up from a single station and moved 4 jumps through high sec and 1 through low sec: COST - 2.8mil ISK
High cost example Vagabond plus fittings picked up from 2 stations and moved 15 jumps through high sec and 3 through low sec: COST - 11.3mil ISK
DISCLAIMER - I reserve the right to alter these rates if required for any reason but once a contract has been accepted I will honour the rate agreed at the time.
I used to be an outlaw and so know the hassle of trying to getting tech 2 cruisers and fittings into low sec safely. Being blown up while inside a badger is no way for a beautiful HAC to get destroyed! Don't risk your ISK, let me deal with it.
Coverage - Empire wide.
Eve mail me for quotes and availabilty. There is other groups doing this in allmost every region for a lot cheaper good luck.
For low sec? Not really. I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license. |
Mildiner
Sigma Mining
2
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Posted - 2012.10.23 15:33:00 -
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Ristlin Wakefield wrote:
For low sec? Not really.
This is exactly why I posted here in C&P. I can't compete with the big boys for high sec runs but, based on the responses I have gotten here and privately, there appears to be a niche demand for agile, low sec cargo running. |
Undeniable Chuck
Forced Penetration
16
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Posted - 2012.10.23 15:41:00 -
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Nice idea m8, good luck! |
Freundliches Feuer
Hivemind Defense
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Posted - 2012.10.23 15:43:00 -
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I don't know if you are doing this for isk or for fun, because surely it can't be fun jumping hundreds of jumps everyday, and also you can make 10x more isk doing ratting/missions etc...
But I do like your optimism and hope the best for you in your hauling adventure!
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