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Malicousintent
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Posted - 2005.03.27 21:05:00 -
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Edited by: Malicousintent on 27/03/2005 21:37:27 If you look at how many people MC (FRICK, etc...) kills, they're really not worth your corp's money.
Here are some fun stats from EVE-kills. They're not leet at all.
The #15 corp for kills, game-wide, is Rubra Libertas Militia with 60,472 Total Points -- kill points after losses are subtracted.
That's the #15 corp. What do you get when you pay MC billions to do your dirty work? Diddly squat:
BDCI, 6,207 TP North Star Network, 14,993 TP FRICK, 10,288 TP The Corporation, 8,563 TP
In other words, when you add them all up, they're not as good as the 15th best killing corp in EVE. And that's what you're shelling out all that ISK for: CRAPOLA. And, you're making a coward move at the same time.
XXX MALICIOUS INTENT XXX
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Iratus Caelestis
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Posted - 2005.03.27 21:08:00 -
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Nothing to do with the fact that they use killboard.net then.
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Malicousintent
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Posted - 2005.03.27 21:15:00 -
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Fair enough. And if you add up all four MC corps' total kill involvements on killboard.net, they don't stack up to Arcane Technologies by itself.
No matter how you parse it, MC isn't worth the ISK.
XXX MALICIOUS INTENT XXX |
Lord ofRedemption
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Posted - 2005.03.27 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Malicousintent Fair enough. And if you add up all four MC corps' total kill involvements on killboard.net, they don't stack up to Arcane Technologies by itself.
No matter how you parse it, MC isn't worth the ISK.
XXX MALICIOUS INTENT XXX
maybe coz atuk been using it longer then them , im quite sure ATUK started usin a killboard way before BDCI/MC ..
..on top of that as long people want to pay for such jobs there wil be mercs ..sometimes certain people/corps dont want teh hassle that can come with a war and find it better to hire someoen to do teh dirty work for em i mean why worry about it and create even 2 posts about it ? Its not like its your isk spent tbh. _____________
Retirement closing in .
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Malicousintent
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Posted - 2005.03.27 21:30:00 -
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The bottom line is, they don't use EVE-kills in the first place because they don't want their kills compared to the wider field -- they know they'll pale.
And I wouldn't pay a billion ISK to a group of corps who have more excuses and apologists for their shallow numbers than they do registered kills.
Seriously, MC is so l337, why do they need you guys to defend them? Surely, their numbers speak for themselves. Oh, wait, they do...
XXX MALICIOUS INTENT XXX |
Shirei
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Posted - 2005.03.27 21:45:00 -
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Well, I dunno, but in their war against XF, they seem to have got an average of 70 kills a day so far according to their kill board, which isn't all that shabby.
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Nick Curso
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Posted - 2005.03.27 21:56:00 -
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Maby not all corps use that site thought of that?
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Malicousintent
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Posted - 2005.03.27 21:58:00 -
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Nick, we just addressed that. They have an inferior kill count on both boards.
Maybe they're ok. But is ok worth a billion ISK?
XXX MALICIOUS INTENT XXX
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Xulnaga
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Posted - 2005.03.27 22:00:00 -
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Turn that frown upside down you little hottie!
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Malicousintent
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Posted - 2005.03.27 22:13:00 -
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Can't get by on kills so you're trying wit huh? |
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Waagaa Ktlehr
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Posted - 2005.03.27 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Malicousintent Can't get by on kills so you're trying wit huh?
I think your body would serve better in a Gallente pleasure hub then trying to use your brains doing these kind of complex analysis.
Fact is, people pay us, fact is, people think we're worth it.
Whether we're worth it is for the client to decide, trying to boost XF's morale like that is better done on your private forums that are crying "THE SKY IS FALLING" right now.. ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
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Xulnaga
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Posted - 2005.03.27 22:34:00 -
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Edited by: Xulnaga on 27/03/2005 23:30:59 I lub you Maliciousintent. Do you lub me?
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Kleptress
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Posted - 2005.03.27 22:56:00 -
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But they make nice red blobs on the map. Everyone just loves playing the blob game don't they?
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Elijah
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Posted - 2005.03.27 23:17:00 -
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Merc corps are worth it imho. Our corp used to be contract killers, and we did our job quite well. When the corp paying you is not hassled whilst mining whatever due to our corp whooping tha crap out of our targets, then they're billions were spent well. We even put every single one of their members all the way back into tech 1 frigates. Prolly cause we killed every BS they owned.
If your merc corp isn't doing that for you then your not really getting your money's worth. Numbers don't matter, its the quality of life change that makes hiring mercs worth the money. Mercs are most often hired by corps who are either A, can't defend themselves or B, don't want to waste their time defending themselves.
Kill boards are quite stupid imho, they can be falsified way too easy, and losses are rarely posted.
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Ben Derindar
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Posted - 2005.03.27 23:29:00 -
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/me sighs.
Once again, someone is taking half-baked statistics from a single source and treating them as gospel.
A number of possible explanations, the first of which may well be that the MC don't use eve-kills.com. And no, my corp doesn't use it either.
Secondly, the objectives of a mercenary corporation are not always to go forth and gank. They can run protection, be your scouts, heck, they might even mine for you if you paid them nicely enough. In short, it's not just about killing, it's about meeting the objectives laid down by the client, *whatever* they may be.
Thirdly, the increase in gained income on the part of the client during the period under which the mercenary corporation is employed, often goes a long way to covering the costs of employing said mercenaries to begin with. If you can still make more money than what it costs to pay the mercs, is it still not a win-win situation?
Ms Malicous, do please try and consider the proverbial bigger picture when it comes to mercs in the future.
/Ben
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Malicousintent
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Posted - 2005.03.27 23:33:00 -
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Ben,
I understand that the public at large is illiterate but please, make an effort.
Their numbers both at EVE-Kills and Killboard are sub-par.
No matter how Waagaa tries to spin it (Waagaa, by the way is a traitor and a thief who spies on people who used to trust him) the numbers in both boards indicate that MC is pretty mediocre.
Basically, it's a bunch of windbags who want you to think they're uber because they're good at popping people who fly AFK.
XXX MALICIOUS INTENT XXX |
The Clash
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Posted - 2005.03.27 23:54:00 -
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..as the long the client is happy , thats all what counts .
imo merc corp cant really win a war the only side who can win is either the client or teh target .
yes a merc corp might come out 50/50 or less but as long they furfilled teh contract to teh client satisfaction its ok , then they succesfully completed their job and thats wahts important for them coz it gives a positive rep wich is needed for this kinda line of work . If teh merc corp looses more then teh target thats teh merc's corp problem not teh client as long teh client is satisfied about his order if he's not then teh merc corp has 2 problems . _________________
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Malicousintent
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Posted - 2005.03.27 23:56:00 -
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Again, more apologies for mediocrity. Let's see some facts and some data. You guys defend MC but you know the truth.
XXX MALICIOUS INTENT XXX |
The Clash
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Posted - 2005.03.28 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Malicousintent Again, more apologies for mediocrity. Let's see some facts and some data. You guys defend MC but you know the truth.
XXX MALICIOUS INTENT XXX
im not defending them at all its teh truth , teh problem everyoen has their own truth and often forget objectivety .
oh well you wont open up for how it goes from their pov/side so its pretty much a useless disuccion wer ehaving here with ya tbh .
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Julien Derida
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Posted - 2005.03.28 00:08:00 -
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I'd be grateful if you could tell us what you find subpar about our statistics on killboard.net. We don't post our kills on eve-kills so its a bit pointless talking about statistics from there.
P.S. I love you ----------------------------------------
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Malicousintent
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Posted - 2005.03.28 00:08:00 -
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I'll give your point of view as much respect as FOE, MC and the "people" like them give other players.
Yeah, none at all.
You people are pathetic. You're asking me for respect? What does FOE and MC respect? Nothing. There is no low to which they won't stoop.
XXX MALICIOUS INTENT XXX |
Leosian
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Posted - 2005.03.28 00:09:00 -
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you again? I already told you in one of your lame posts that was locked to show your true self instead of hiding behind and alt. This proves how totally lame your arguments are since you hide.
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Malicousintent
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Posted - 2005.03.28 00:11:00 -
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Yeah, posting with an alt isn't even close to hiding behind alt spies when BDCI was backstabbing CLS.
Don't lecture me about honor.
And what's sub-par about your stats on Killboard.net? As I've already said, is that there are single corps with more kills than your whole alliance on Killboard -- and they're not conning corps into paying them billions of ISK.
You're all fake. Stopping running your con and go mine.
XXX MALICIOUS INTENT XXX |
Julien Derida
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Posted - 2005.03.28 00:18:00 -
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I'm only speaking for FRICK here, but our 2000 kills would put us around 5-6th on eve-kills.net. Certainly in the top 10. All that with a member count of less than 30. That doesn't make us the best in the game, but it makes pretty good by most peoples standards. Please check your facts before you post.
P.S. I still love you . But not as much as Eris or Zhuge... ----------------------------------------
Artistic Director & Chief Diplomat - FRICK |
Selthae
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Posted - 2005.03.28 00:18:00 -
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Here, have another cookie. Chocolate or almond?
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psycorabbit
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Posted - 2005.03.28 00:22:00 -
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i love you and the rabbit is in a randy mood id be carefull ;)
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The Clash
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Posted - 2005.03.28 00:24:00 -
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Originally by: Malicousintent I'll give your point of view as much respect as FOE, MC and the "people" like them give other players.
Yeah, none at all.
XXX MALICIOUS INTENT XXX
There you went all wrong . _________________
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Tynidian
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Posted - 2005.03.28 00:26:00 -
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I'm sory mal, but they do kill an awfull lot of pods and destroy a lot of ships... I do think that even with insurance they destroy far more worth of isk than you have to pay them (you guys can't really be thßt expensive, can you?). And I don't know if it has been said before, but if you're trying to do anything with eve-kills you won't get very far, and why should you? They've got a site which I think is at least as good as eve-kills (and looks better). check their own sites before you post anything about kills (prob. been said before): www.eve-frick.net/frick/kills.php www.coalition.killboard.net and probably a few more I don't know about
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Julien Derida
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Posted - 2005.03.28 00:33:00 -
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The eve-frick.net killboard is lagging a bit behind unfortunately Tyn. We'll have that sorted soon :)
Killboard.net is still as up-to-date as ever though! ----------------------------------------
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Minerva IV
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Posted - 2005.03.28 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Tynidian www.coalition.killboard.net
This is our list of kills and loses as i said in your other thread please us this as your referance for our kills.
My we are popular today arn't we :)
Oh and get some balls and post with your main or stfu please :)
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