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Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
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Posted - 2012.10.22 10:53:00 -
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McDonalds. I've been to this franchise all over the planet and pretty much it is the same. Unless you are in some crap hole that only serves a Big Felafel Meal Deal you could be in the same McDonalds pretty much anywhere.
Welcome to EVE. A homogeneous meh where a bit of eye candy and a few tweaked attributes aside you are in the exact type of place as every other drone doing exactly the same thing.
Every item or service is available a couple of jumps away. Everyone is as equally good at doing pretty much the same things. Technology is just that little bit different in minor ways, but they are effectively the same.
With some minor distribution aside anything relevant and meaningfully in the game is on everyone's doorstep. Need a particular item? It's likely to be right where you need it or a few jumps to Jita. The mechanics are challenge-less. Anything you will want to quickly do is just a training queue away. Choices are meaningless. The question is only how many diminishing returns you want to invest your time in.
Combat should be dynamic, but you have pretty much all the pieces on the board when you get there. Once the archetypal fits are known, the outcome is a close second.
Why the CCP obsessive compulsiveness with balance? Where is the chaos? Where is the choice?
Some examplesGǪ
Billions of people in the known universe and there is no innovation - Why does every ship have to be so uniform with minor tweaking of accepted fits? Why donGÇÖt they all have subsystems to foster innovation? Or even the ability to re-assign slots?
Systems strewn across the galaxy and there is no randomness of space GÇô Why are resources effectively equal? Why arenGÇÖt some other parts of the galaxy more ore rich? Why not some with ice? Why has scarcity not invigorated trade or warfare?
Where is the specialisation? - Why is everyone equally good at refining? Why is everyone equally good at manufacturing?
A dynamic universe is a healthy universe. I see thousands of worlds where people are running numbers at the margins like ten thousand others. The few who have found a way to differentiate or who can meta game are Kings.
I say, we should unleash the chaos and if required the madness.
CCP - pour in the sand. WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
1012
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Posted - 2012.10.22 10:55:00 -
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I have a few suggestions on how you could stir things up a bit. For example, giving me your stuff. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Alice Saki
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Posted - 2012.10.22 10:55:00 -
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0/10
Make a new alt, Known troll :P Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused. I like to show my Love by Smashing people in the face with a big Hammer.
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Adoro
Reikoku The Retirement Club
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:03:00 -
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Actually, you have a point... |
Ravnik
Choke-Hold
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:03:00 -
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In the time it took you to write that load of garbage, you could have found yourself a new game to play..... I'm stranded in space, I'm lost without trace,-áI haven't a chance of getting away...... |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
435
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:06:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:I have a few suggestions on how you could stir things up a bit. For example, giving me your stuff. No friend, my homogeneous stuff is mine.
Alice Saki wrote:0/10
Make a new alt, Known troll :P I don't post with "alts" this is me. Trolling? A harsh claim. Maybe you like the conformity factory that EVE currently is. I however dream of greater things. If that is "trolling" in your book, going against conformity then so be it.
WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal. |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
435
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:07:00 -
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Ravnik wrote:In the time it took you to write that load of garbage, you could have found yourself a new game to play..... I drank a beer, does that count? WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal. |
Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
628
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:07:00 -
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SandBox games are only as Boring as you make them. Simple as that. I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy Space Poor South African.
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |
Alice Saki
13072
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:09:00 -
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Kane knows how to let your hair down ^_^
Pirate stories Ftw ^_^ Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused. I like to show my Love by Smashing people in the face with a big Hammer.
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baltec1
Bat Country
2503
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:09:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:SandBox games are only as Boring as you make them. Simple as that.
This. |
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Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
99
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:11:00 -
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OP has a point: the cancer of "balancing"
Problem: CCP takes forums QQ too serious because they think it's the player base. There might be some good ideas in balancing topics, but the most is more like "whawha my ship needs to be stronger than yours!". 10 ppl post that and claim to be "the majority" or something...
I like innovation, I like choices, but "balancing" is a cancer because it serves only itself... |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
1125
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:11:00 -
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The only thing that OP got right was his signature. That much I can agree with. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
959
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:12:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:SandBox games are only as Boring as you make them. Simple as that.
Ditto that.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
1951
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:12:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:Welcome to EVE. A homogeneous meh where a bit of eye candy and a few tweaked attributes aside you are in the exact type of place as every other drone doing exactly the same thing.
Every item or service is available a couple of jumps away. Everyone is as equally good at doing pretty much the same things. Technology is just that little bit different in minor ways, but they are effectively the same.
Funnily enough, I had a small group of friends at university who loved playing StarCraft. We'd play co-op and FFA, and our favourite FFA map happened to be "Blood Bath". We would play that map dozens of times in any session, and it was always interesting because we'd have randomly assigned race and we had intelligent friends who would not keep trying to use the same tactics every time.
Recently, Elon Musk stated that one of the secrets to being successful is to be able to change your mind and not consistently follow the same set of rules. He works in the same world that we do. He is launching rockets into space. What are you doing with your life?
I guess what I'm trying to say is this: it's not EVE that is boring. It's you. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
435
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:13:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:SandBox games are only as Boring as you make them. Simple as that. Oh I agree, CCP has made quite a boring one at the moment. There should be much more scope for differentiating. WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal. |
Cannibal Kane
Praetorian Cannibals
628
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:14:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:SandBox games are only as Boring as you make them. Simple as that. Oh I agree, CCP has made quite a boring one at the moment. There should be much more scope for differentiating.
lol Smart Ass...
I'm not a Pirate, I'm a Terrorist.
The Crazy Space Poor South African.
*Hair done by LGÇÖOr+¬al, because I'm worth it. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
1128
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:16:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:SandBox games are only as Boring as you make them. Simple as that. Oh I agree, CCP has made quite a boring one at the moment. There should be much more scope for differentiating.
I don't think there exists enough money to pay CCP if you make a panda character. There is a different game that does that. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
435
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:17:00 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Graic Gabtar wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:SandBox games are only as Boring as you make them. Simple as that. Oh I agree, CCP has made quite a boring one at the moment. There should be much more scope for differentiating. lol Smart Ass... Well to be honest, there has been a lot of immediate playing of the man in the thread and not much discussion of the topic.
I think the Holy Grail of balance is bad for EVE. I think in chaotic systems a natural order will establish itself.
CCP concentrate so much on trying to avoid the donut-hole of imbalance, they don't get any donut. WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released Verge of Collapse
1128
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:19:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:Graic Gabtar wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:SandBox games are only as Boring as you make them. Simple as that. Oh I agree, CCP has made quite a boring one at the moment. There should be much more scope for differentiating. lol Smart Ass... Well to be honest, there has been a lot of immediate playing of the man in the thread and not much discussion of the topic. I think the Holy Grail of balance is bad for EVE. I think in chaotic systems a natural order will establish itself. CCP concentrate so much on trying to avoid the donut-hole of imbalance, they don't get any donut.
That is bad how exactly? I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Ghazu
222
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:21:00 -
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Good one, can you do one for WOW? |
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baltec1
Bat Country
2504
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:22:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:Graic Gabtar wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:SandBox games are only as Boring as you make them. Simple as that. Oh I agree, CCP has made quite a boring one at the moment. There should be much more scope for differentiating. lol Smart Ass... Well to be honest, there has been a lot of immediate playing of the man in the thread and not much discussion of the topic. I think the Holy Grail of balance is bad for EVE. I think in chaotic systems a natural order will establish itself. CCP concentrate so much on trying to avoid the donut-hole of imbalance, they don't get any donut.
How is having one or two viable ships better than dosens?
Balance gives us more choice not less... |
Alice Saki
13075
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:23:00 -
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EVE IS AWESOME AND UNENDING! IT SHALL LIVE ON IN THE EYES OF THE CHILDREN! BE ONE BE ALL
Yada yada yada....
Yawn.... Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused. I like to show my Love by Smashing people in the face with a big Hammer.
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Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
435
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:28:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:How is having one or two viable ships better than dosens?
Balance gives us more choice not less... Which ones are viable? All the ships with insane amounts of configurations against who knows what opposition.
That's randomness and chaos. Maybe your FoTW fit will prevail, maybe it won't
You telling me if you had a Hurricane with subsystems, rigs, and tweakable slots you have less choice?
Balance gives you less risk.
WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal. |
Spurty
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
523
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:38:00 -
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Presses F10, Selects -> Statistics -> Average Piliots in Space in the last 30 mins = Awful lot of blackness outside of high sec Selects -> Statistics -> Number of Pilots Currently Docked and Active = Awful lot of blackness outside of high sec
Don't think there's enough people playing (or waaaaaaaaaaay too much space out there)
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Alice Saki
13094
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Posted - 2012.10.22 11:40:00 -
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Balance means mixing it up, Fleets need to be rethought, New Fits, for New Situations. I like it when they change a ship... something, will always take it place and offer a better/New challenge
I Welcome our New Buff/Nerf Overlords ^_^ Scottish Interweb Spaceshippy Person, Very Easily Confused. I like to show my Love by Smashing people in the face with a big Hammer.
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Ghazu
222
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Posted - 2012.10.22 12:04:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:baltec1 wrote:How is having one or two viable ships better than dosens?
Balance gives us more choice not less... Which ones are viable? All the ships with insane amounts of configurations against who knows what opposition. That's randomness and chaos. Maybe your FoTW fit will prevail, maybe it won't You telling me if you had a Hurricane with subsystems, rigs, and tweakable slots you have less choice? Balance gives you less risk. You seem to not want to risk a loki? |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
233
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Posted - 2012.10.22 12:14:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:
Billions of people in the known universe and there is no innovation - Why does every ship have to be so uniform with minor tweaking of accepted fits? Why donGÇÖt they all have subsystems to foster innovation? Or even the ability to re-assign slots?
Rigs exist for all normal ships
T3 subsystems only exist thanks to the Sleeper technology, which Capsuleer get by committing genocide.
Unsurprisingly, I'm sure not everyone wants to be associated with that.
Quote:Systems strewn across the galaxy and there is no randomness of space GÇô Why are resources effectively equal? Why arenGÇÖt some other parts of the galaxy more ore rich? Why not some with ice? Why has scarcity not invigorated trade or warfare?
Tell that to all the techmoons we in the CFC are sitting on.
Quote:Where is the specialisation? - Why is everyone equally good at refining? Why is everyone equally good at manufacturing?
You start with no skills, then you can specialise given enough time. Just like real life!
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Failed troll. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
264
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Posted - 2012.10.22 12:24:00 -
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maybe you should just think different and cause chaos. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2505
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Posted - 2012.10.22 12:26:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:
Balance gives you less risk.
Balance is about to make 20+ ships that have not been used in years a viable role to play. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
947
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Posted - 2012.10.22 12:58:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote: Systems strewn across the galaxy and there is no randomness of space GÇô Why are resources effectively equal? Why arenGÇÖt some other parts of the galaxy more ore rich? Why not some with ice? Why has scarcity not invigorated trade or warfare?
Already forgotten about Technitium have we ? |
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