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Also Aswell
Apple Industries Inc.
2
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Posted - 2011.10.03 18:56:00 -
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Bumblefck wrote:[quote=Sir Ibex]
I don't think he wasted 50m at all - you're crying on the forums aren't you? Sounds like mission accomplished to me!
Hmmm.... no. He's not crying. He's asking about a fit. |
JackStraw56
Bayesian Motion Knights of Tomorrow
6
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Posted - 2011.10.03 20:59:00 -
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Theodoric Darkwind wrote:[quote=JackStraw56][Mackinaw, Tank] This will stop a solo thorax or rupture gank, but a cane or brutix will blow right through that, a pair of cruisers can probably also blow through that.
All of the macks ive solo ganked had small extenders and ifields, didn't save em, and this was using a rupture, the mack is typically going pop about 5 seconds before concord shows up in .5 (so not enough time left to get the pod).
your best protection from the goon ganking campaign, move out of gallente space for the time being.
I can say from experience that a solo Brutix or Cane is very unlikely to kill this before Concord shows up. As was mentioned, it's about 21k ehp, and if the Brutix is doing 700 dps, it needs a full 30 seconds to take this down. |
Xentara Vispari
Storm of Glory
0
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Posted - 2011.10.04 10:18:00 -
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You will get more tank on a Hulk. Perhaps try something like this:
[Hulk, 31000 HP] Damage Control II Micro B88 Core Augmentation
Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Ice Harvester II Ice Harvester II Ice Harvester II
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Can be pushed to ~40K EHP with imps and a fleet booster. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2011.10.05 13:30:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Spawn Concord in belt with an alt.
This can be countered since smart gankers will use same tactics to pull concord away from belts.
Pick an alt, put it in some very heavy tanked shield bs, use highs to rep your Mack, you've just ruined gankers journey.
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Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
27
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Posted - 2011.10.05 13:37:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Goose99 wrote:Spawn Concord in belt with an alt. This can be countered since smart gankers will use same tactics to pull concord away from belts. Pick an alt, put it in some very heavy tanked shield bs, use highs to rep your Mack, you've just ruined gankers journey.
Confirming counter doesn't work. Range is low, movement impossible. Even brick BS gets killed fast, fastest nano frig locked down. Been there, done that. This is a goon alt failing at troll. |
Sir Ibex
Void Rock Mining Inc.
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 15:06:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:we're paying bonuses for each dead barge in gallente space, and super-tanked barges pay out significantly more than regular barges because the kill represents both extra effort and the crushing of those who try to resist us rather than just moving out of gallente space
feel free to resist though, it provides more content for us than an empty belt
Oh, off course you can bet your arse that I will resist and continue pulling in ice. Thanks to teh goons, it is now actually worth my time to mine something in empire! The price for ice is increasing, quite rapidly in certain areas actually, and you guys are losing a lot more money and standing then I ever will to make that happen! You guys are actually going out of your way to make this game more fun, why should I be "crying" like some people in this thread say?
By all means, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, continue ganking Mackinaws in Empire space! |
Cipher Jones
51
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:15:00 -
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Solomar Espersei wrote:Moar delicious Miner tears: nom, nom, nom.
OP, tank the ever-loving crap out of your Mack, then load your hard-earned Blue Ice in a T1 hauler and fly it through the Uedama/Sivala pipe please.
LOLing at Mocam, Suddenly Violence would like to have a word with you friend. You guys at E Uni shouldn't be spreading bad info like that man.
TBH I had the best PvP fight I have ever had in eve with one of your guys about 18-20 months ago. I lost a buffer typhoon, but it was a fight to the hull where we both had a neutral RR. Imagine my delight when I got revenge inadvertently a couple weeks ago by putting a tank on my mackinaw and going AFk, and coming back to 2 Tears battleship wrecks.
To OP, you can tank against gankers, but you cant tank against a large gang of gankers. Just mine other ice for now, or tank them once and then leave before they return with more alpha.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
884
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:40:00 -
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Someone's been doing something right; I keep losing Hurricanes with no joy. |
Tauren Tom
Order of the Silver Dragons Clone Vat
1
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Posted - 2011.10.05 16:54:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:we're paying bonuses for each dead barge in gallente space, and super-tanked barges pay out significantly more than regular barges because the kill represents both extra effort and the crushing of those who try to resist us rather than just moving out of gallente space
feel free to resist though, it provides more content for us than an empty belt
CSM = license to troll I see >.> |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2011.10.05 17:02:00 -
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Goose99 wrote: This is a goon alt failing at troll.
Fail. (but you can keep your idea if you fell better)
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
717
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Posted - 2011.10.05 19:25:00 -
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Tauren Tom wrote:The Mittani wrote:we're paying bonuses for each dead barge in gallente space, and super-tanked barges pay out significantly more than regular barges because the kill represents both extra effort and the crushing of those who try to resist us rather than just moving out of gallente space
feel free to resist though, it provides more content for us than an empty belt CSM = license to troll I see >.>
the bounties are a reality vOv |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:03:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Solomar Espersei wrote:Moar delicious Miner tears: nom, nom, nom.
OP, tank the ever-loving crap out of your Mack, then load your hard-earned Blue Ice in a T1 hauler and fly it through the Uedama/Sivala pipe please.
LOLing at Mocam, Suddenly Violence would like to have a word with you friend. You guys at E Uni shouldn't be spreading bad info like that man. TBH I had the best PvP fight I have ever had in eve with one of your guys about 18-20 months ago. I lost a buffer typhoon, but it was a fight to the hull where we both had a neutral RR. Imagine my delight when I got revenge inadvertently a couple weeks ago by putting a tank on my mackinaw and going AFk, and coming back to 2 Tears battleship wrecks. To OP, you can tank against gankers, but you cant tank against a large gang of gankers. Just mine other ice for now, or tank them once and then leave before they return with more alpha.
Why would he mine other ices that are worthless? |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2741
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:07:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Solomar Espersei wrote:Moar delicious Miner tears: nom, nom, nom.
OP, tank the ever-loving crap out of your Mack, then load your hard-earned Blue Ice in a T1 hauler and fly it through the Uedama/Sivala pipe please.
LOLing at Mocam, Suddenly Violence would like to have a word with you friend. You guys at E Uni shouldn't be spreading bad info like that man. TBH I had the best PvP fight I have ever had in eve with one of your guys about 18-20 months ago. I lost a buffer typhoon, but it was a fight to the hull where we both had a neutral RR. Imagine my delight when I got revenge inadvertently a couple weeks ago by putting a tank on my mackinaw and going AFk, and coming back to 2 Tears battleship wrecks. To OP, you can tank against gankers, but you cant tank against a large gang of gankers. Just mine other ice for now, or tank them once and then leave before they return with more alpha. Why would he mine other ices that are worthless? To avoid the hundreds of Goons looking to gank miners. |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2011.10.05 20:13:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Goose99 wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Solomar Espersei wrote:Moar delicious Miner tears: nom, nom, nom.
OP, tank the ever-loving crap out of your Mack, then load your hard-earned Blue Ice in a T1 hauler and fly it through the Uedama/Sivala pipe please.
LOLing at Mocam, Suddenly Violence would like to have a word with you friend. You guys at E Uni shouldn't be spreading bad info like that man. TBH I had the best PvP fight I have ever had in eve with one of your guys about 18-20 months ago. I lost a buffer typhoon, but it was a fight to the hull where we both had a neutral RR. Imagine my delight when I got revenge inadvertently a couple weeks ago by putting a tank on my mackinaw and going AFk, and coming back to 2 Tears battleship wrecks. To OP, you can tank against gankers, but you cant tank against a large gang of gankers. Just mine other ice for now, or tank them once and then leave before they return with more alpha. Why would he mine other ices that are worthless? To avoid the hundreds of Goons looking to gank miners.
Spawn concord with alt. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2741
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:15:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Goose99 wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Solomar Espersei wrote:Moar delicious Miner tears: nom, nom, nom.
OP, tank the ever-loving crap out of your Mack, then load your hard-earned Blue Ice in a T1 hauler and fly it through the Uedama/Sivala pipe please.
LOLing at Mocam, Suddenly Violence would like to have a word with you friend. You guys at E Uni shouldn't be spreading bad info like that man. TBH I had the best PvP fight I have ever had in eve with one of your guys about 18-20 months ago. I lost a buffer typhoon, but it was a fight to the hull where we both had a neutral RR. Imagine my delight when I got revenge inadvertently a couple weeks ago by putting a tank on my mackinaw and going AFk, and coming back to 2 Tears battleship wrecks. To OP, you can tank against gankers, but you cant tank against a large gang of gankers. Just mine other ice for now, or tank them once and then leave before they return with more alpha. Why would he mine other ices that are worthless? To avoid the hundreds of Goons looking to gank miners. Spawn concord with alt. Yes, that is what goons do right before ganking so as to clear the belt of any CONCORD spawns. What is your point? |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2011.10.06 02:25:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Goose99 wrote: Spawn concord with alt.
Yes, that is what goons do right before ganking so as to clear the belt of any CONCORD spawns. What is your point?
It's tricky, visible, to clear, especially with simultaneous spawns. Respawn with as little as a noob ship is far easier than to clear. Coupled with insured Covetor, making alpha BS costly and ineffective for miners fetching a new barge a matter of seconds later. Post less, undock more, and you'll see what's actually going on. Goons have already given up on much of it. Unfortunately, this also means prices fell like a rock and it's no longer worth the effort to mine. |
Cipher Jones
61
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Posted - 2011.10.06 15:53:00 -
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Quote:Yes, that is what goons do right before ganking so as to clear the belt of any CONCORD spawns. What is your point?
It works both ways. Apparently goons are smarter than ice miners.
/me shudders
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
386
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Posted - 2011.10.06 16:03:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Goose99 wrote: Spawn concord with alt.
Yes, that is what goons do right before ganking so as to clear the belt of any CONCORD spawns. What is your point? It's tricky, visible, to clear, especially with simultaneous spawns. Respawn with as little as a noob ship is far easier than to clear. Coupled with insured Covetor, making alpha BS costly and ineffective for miners fetching a new barge a matter of seconds later. Post less, undock more, and you'll see what's actually going on. Goons have already given up on much of it. Unfortunately, this also means prices fell like a rock and it's no longer worth the effort to mine.
ahahahahahahahahaha
goons are so bloodthirsty that a procurer in a belt 15 jumps away will get several goons decending on it asap |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
386
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Posted - 2011.10.06 16:03:00 -
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i went all the way out to solitude to get some more ganks in |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2011.10.06 17:32:00 -
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Oxytopes down to 400 now. Goons not doing their jobs. |
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Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2741
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Posted - 2011.10.06 18:03:00 -
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Goose99 wrote:Lyris Nairn wrote:Goose99 wrote: Spawn concord with alt.
Yes, that is what goons do right before ganking so as to clear the belt of any CONCORD spawns. What is your point? It's tricky, visible, to clear, especially with simultaneous spawns. Respawn with as little as a noob ship is far easier than to clear. Coupled with insured Covetor, making alpha BS costly and ineffective for miners fetching a new barge a matter of seconds later.
Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:Yes, that is what goons do right before ganking so as to clear the belt of any CONCORD spawns. What is your point? It works both ways. Apparently goons are smarter than ice miners. /me shudders
You both seem to be of the false impression that the majority of the barges we're ganking are actually piloted by human beings at their keyboards and paying attention. The overwhelming majority are either AFK players who alt-tab out of EVE to let their ice miner cycle run, or, much more frequently, bots that will continue to try to mine even after the barge has been destroyed. There have been numerous instances where pods will warp into belt, approach ice, sit there for a long time, warp back to the station, and then return and repeat the process for hours. I am willing to guess that those pods are not piloted by human beings who have suddenly taken a keen interest in looking at the pretty ice crystal graphics for several hours. While the advice you're giving, that the miner himself can just spawn CONCORD as soon as he sees the present CONCORD spawn disappear, is accurate, it is not at all applicable to the majority of our targets since theyGÇöbeing botsGÇöare incapable of reacting to the situation quickly enough. |
Lyris Nairn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2741
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Posted - 2011.10.06 18:04:00 -
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Due to the limit on quotes per post, I actually was forced to make an additional post to quote this and tell you, "Never". |
Cipher Jones
69
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Posted - 2011.10.06 20:32:00 -
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Quote:While the advice you're giving, that the miner himself can just spawn CONCORD as soon as he sees the present CONCORD spawn disappear, is accurate, it is not at all applicable to the majority of our targets since theyGÇöbeing botsGÇöare incapable of reacting to the situation quickly enough.
I'm guessing its not bots bitching on the forums tho.
It's not been posted here that the intent of the operation is to crash the eve economy, but its been posted elsewhere.
On a personal level, I think that's quite ****** TBH. HOWEVER, if killing ONLY BOTS can kill the economy, it's a problem CCP needs to get under control ******* NOW.
If its not bots dying and CCP cared about the game as much as they say they do they would enact the "we can perm ban anyone anytime for any reason" and ban your alliance. If deliberately trying to destroy the game isn't reason enough, they should just pull the pug now, as they also have the right to do.
This deserves its own thread TBH.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
3
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Posted - 2011.10.06 21:43:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote: This deserves its own thread TBH.
even if it does i would prefer you not to start yet another pile of manure that is your average post. |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2011.10.07 01:05:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:
You both seem to be of the false impression that the majority of the barges we're ganking are actually piloted by human beings at their keyboards and paying attention. The overwhelming majority are either AFK players who alt-tab out of EVE to let their ice miner cycle run, or, much more frequently, bots that will continue to try to mine even after the barge has been destroyed. There have been numerous instances where pods will warp into belt, approach ice, sit there for a long time, warp back to the station, and then return and repeat the process for hours. I am willing to guess that those pods are not piloted by human beings who have suddenly taken a keen interest in looking at the pretty ice crystal graphics for several hours. While the advice you're giving, that the miner himself can just spawn CONCORD as soon as he sees the present CONCORD spawn disappear, is accurate, it is not at all applicable to the majority of our targets since theyGÇöbeing botsGÇöare incapable of reacting to the situation quickly enough.
With most goons being noobs, I would imagine you won't know this... But botting macros can be easily adapted to spawn concord repeatedly with alt. What you're popping are the lazy miners, not bots. Bots are the ones operating under perma-concorded fields, who also instantly warp pod back to station on popping to auto fetch another covetor.
With oxytope prices felling below 400, the alert miners that came up with this in the first place, aka, other carebears who started mining ice briefly when prices spiked, have largely went home. It's mostly bots left still running this scheme. |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
391
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Posted - 2011.10.07 14:21:00 -
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while the average bot is smarter than the average eve player, the average eve player is dumb as a ******* rock |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
391
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Posted - 2011.10.07 14:22:00 -
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and ofc oxytopes haven't been near 400 since this started, heh |
Jenn Makanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2011.10.07 14:37:00 -
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Buy moar Brutix! |
Weaselior
BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation
391
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Posted - 2011.10.07 14:58:00 -
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actually what I need now are t2 medium neutron blasters, jita was out when ~my orca~ went shopping |
Cipher Jones
75
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Posted - 2011.10.07 16:53:00 -
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Killstealing wrote:Cipher Jones wrote: This deserves its own thread TBH.
even if it does i would prefer you not to start yet another pile of manure that is your average post.
Then you're pretty ******* stupid for not ignoring me.
Either that or you're admitting you're trolling.
Your t-shirt is in the mail.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
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