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Spurty
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
524
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Posted - 2012.10.24 21:54:00 -
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As long as my BOOT.INI file is intact after the patch, I'm a happy paying customer
Carry on with the fixes and updates and balancing. ---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
857
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Posted - 2012.10.24 21:55:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:Confirming this will be completely awesome for everyone but high-sec zealots like OP. HTFU, n00b. What a well thought-out response. Your parents must be so proud of your literary skills. Yes, when you can't attack the message, attack the messenger. Pot calling kettle black, film at 11:00.
Also, you really are a terrible poster and a high-sec zealot. Nothing Found |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
713
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Posted - 2012.10.25 00:39:00 -
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Johnny Bloomington wrote:baltec1 wrote:Im getting a sexier megathron!
If I go to fanfest next year I will buy whoever made the new mega the most outragious drink I can find!
Also other stuff. Dont rag on CCP for working on EVE, this is what we wanted. Yes the new mega looks good but the old one did too. Gallente ships don't need remodels near as bad as Minmatar and Caldari ships! Oh look its a Blackbird... Looks like Lego's gone wrong. CCP is doing the right thing remodeling the stabber/vaga! CCP, can we see an Stabber Fleet Issue pic too?
Blackbird? Have you seen the Moa? I mean really seen that thing? |
Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.10.25 01:11:00 -
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James 315 wrote:I don't recall ever seeing players tell CCP "fewer new changes/features, please" before.
It's a legit point, but at the still feeling rather glacial pace of CCP's fixing this broken game I'm not sure I want to encourage them to slow down.
It's interesting that all three of these issues are economy-related. How do you get players to test the far-reaching impacts of the actual tranquility economy on Sisi/whatever?
One of the more flagrant abuses (FW Forex) were told to CCP in advance, well before the changes appeared on TQ, but CCP didn't listen. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
1966
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Posted - 2012.10.25 01:27:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Blackbird? Have you seen the Moa? I mean really seen that thing?
I love the Osprey and Blackbird. The Moa has its own curious styling, which some people might interpret as ugly, but at least it is not symmetrical and boring.
Symmetrical is boring. No two ways about it. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1611
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Posted - 2012.10.25 01:44:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Blackbird? Have you seen the Moa? I mean really seen that thing? I love the Osprey and Blackbird. The Moa has its own curious styling, which some people might interpret as ugly, but at least it is not symmetrical and boring. Symmetrical is boring. No two ways about it. Spent so long being blown up in blackbird :) Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
481
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Posted - 2012.10.25 01:58:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:And given the incredibly short test windows CCP is allowing, it is impossible to have the long-term, widespread testing required to see how all these changes will interact.
That's because we're the testers.
And when we work out how to industrialize, CCP make the changes.
It's cheaper and better in the long run for 400,000 to find the faults than for 10 or 20.
It's the most natural and cyclical process in software development - always has been. "I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
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Macks Artilius
The Circus Corp Intrepid Crossing
70
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Posted - 2012.10.25 02:19:00 -
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No, faster! Do more things! Do all the things! |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
257
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Posted - 2012.10.25 02:33:00 -
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Confirming I am still placing a massive bounty on Dinsdale Pirannha for his terribad posting when December comes around and encourage others to join me. Feel free to post how many millions you will also place on him. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1312
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Posted - 2012.10.25 02:55:00 -
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I'm just going to say this once... and very quietly... because some might think this an "EvE is dying" type of statement, which is not really what I'm thinking necessarily... but here it goes:
CCP needs to kick up their game. They need to do it now. There are some really great games in the pipeline that are following in CCP's footsteps w/ regards to sandboxy play, complex markets, microtransactions that are available in a cash store but also achievable in-game, etc. The difference is they have far larger budgets. These games are space games... but it's not little indy companies coming out with them. CCP is doing exactly what they need to be doing. Even so... I don't know... there's a battle on the horizon and I think EvE will be strong to early / mid 2015. Then we as players will have a lot of options, and CCP will be fighting for their company. I for one will be here in any case, but I don't pay cash to play. How many of you will be here in 2015 I wonder.... at some point the PLEX might run out. ISK might cease to matter. CCP needs to be constantly innovating. I really hope we get the full spectrum immersion / space simulator we've been promised for so long before 2015. Otherwise highsec is going to start looking like null.
...just my 2isk.
tl;dr; CCP is doing it right. I would imagine the pace of innovation and changes we have been seeing is going to be the new norm. That's a critically good thing.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
872
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Posted - 2012.10.25 02:57:00 -
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I really liked the part where Soundwave kept making a big deal a while back about how it was important for CCP to quit rushing development of expansions and to release stuff when it is actually ready for release and to actually put out content that makes sense and that players want rather than just farting out nonsense features, and then immediately after that we got Inferno.
That was pretty funny. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1312
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Posted - 2012.10.25 02:59:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:I really liked the part where Soundwave kept making a big deal a while back about how it was important for CCP to quit rushing development of expansions and to release stuff when it is actually ready for release and to actually put out content that makes sense and that players want rather than just farting out nonsense features, and then immediately after that we got Inferno.
That was pretty funny. I think you are using poor judgement. I don't think you are keeping up with other games being developed.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
872
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Posted - 2012.10.25 03:03:00 -
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The panda themed expansions of other games that I don't play have exactly 0 effect on my opinion of the actions of the company that produces the game I do play. |
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
75
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Posted - 2012.10.25 04:19:00 -
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Slow down ??? Haha yeah ccp is Speed Demon hahah this is good !!! 1/10 |
Hiram Alexander
Seraphim Securities
261
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Posted - 2012.10.25 05:08:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote: Confirming I am still placing a massive bounty on Dinsdale Pirannha for his terribad posting when December comes around and encourage others to join me. Feel free to post how many millions you will also place on him.
Amen. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
1968
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Posted - 2012.10.25 06:16:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:I really liked the part where Soundwave kept making a big deal a while back about how it was important for CCP to quit rushing development of expansions and to release stuff when it is actually ready for release and to actually put out content that makes sense and that players want rather than just farting out nonsense features, and then immediately after that we got Inferno.
Out of Inferno, the only thing that is particularly broken is the FW plexing. Unified inventory has a few niggles which are being worked out. There will be bugs getting squashed for quite some time: that is the nature of software.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
373
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Posted - 2012.10.25 06:59:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote: Confirming I am still placing a massive bounty on Dinsdale Pirannha for his terribad posting when December comes around and encourage others to join me. Feel free to post how many millions you will also place on him.
I find it sad that you, being a null sec = elite player, has to wait for the modified bounty system to try to silence me. If you are so tough, why do you need to enlist the help of so many others. Why not come after me now, and blow me out of the sky every time I undock? Or is that too difficult for an elite PvP'er such as yourself?
BTW, I fight this losing battle of forum warfare (do you seriously think I believe I can win?), because I hate bullies. I really don't give a damn how null sec operates, or wh's, or low, or high. I came back from living in null because I was disillusioned with the null sec lifestyle, as was the bulk of the leadership of my old corp.
What does **** me off when someone, or some group, decides to prey on another group, just because they have different values. You want to take on someone in game, and blow their ship out of the sky for territory or financial gain, or pure PvP fun, I can see that. That is what Eve was originally designed for.
But to meta-game people, or to hammer people in-game for something done out of game, that is just twisted. So when null sec groups run their propaganda campaigns bent on ruining the enjoyment for quite literally hundreds of thousands of people, just because it gives them great pleasure to do so, well, that is just wrong.
When I was a little younger, I used to beat the carp out of bullies I would meet in bars. One thing I learned about bullies, is fundamentally they are cowards, needing to be in groups to attack others.
If you can't come after me alone, and need the help of the new bounty system, well then chum, you are a coward. |
Cpt Matis
Federal Commercial Office
0
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Posted - 2012.10.25 07:09:00 -
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pretty much agree with all these. We already see concequence of extreme ore hold increase. I don't mention that for ore prices but the increasing number of script users (bots). |
Talo Momoe
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.10.25 09:46:00 -
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Casirio wrote:Adapt or die. Most of us actually welcome change.
This. |
Nyla Skin
Maximum fun chamber
113
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Posted - 2012.10.25 10:16:00 -
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If anything, CCP should speed up, considering its been about 4 years (I dont remember exactly) since they last added something to the game that I was remotely interested in, and wasn't particularly disappointed in its application. |
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Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
261
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Posted - 2012.10.25 10:59:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
If you can't come after me alone, and need the help of the new bounty system, well then chum, you are a coward.
Meet me in null sec. 1 vs 1 on the sun.
Also I'll still place a bounty on you, because I think other people should enjoy killing you too. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Mike Adoulin
Trans-Aerospace Industries
36
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Posted - 2012.10.25 11:12:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
rabblerabblerabble.
Meet me in null sec. 1 vs 1 on the sun. Also I'll still place a bounty on you, because I think other people should enjoy killing you too.
Or Dinsdale could put a huge bounty on you as well and then I can shoot...er...bomb, actually.... the both of you and make some fat bank.
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svenska flicka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.10.25 11:29:00 -
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Jim Era wrote:it will be fun and exciting to watch all the new changes at once. It'll be like a new game.
well yeah dust will kill eve but we have known that for a while, the rest seems pretty fun.
I am starting to believe that CCP trolled SONY and made them pay a huge chunk of the bill to advertise for eve online and that eve will kill dust by getting dust players interested to buy EVE. But that is my crazy theory.
Also, I love all changes coming and I will not pay any attention to the OP. |
Siigari Kitawa
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
226
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Posted - 2012.10.25 11:33:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Im getting a sexier megathron!
If I go to fanfest next year I will buy whoever made the new mega the most outragious drink I can find!
Also other stuff. Dont rag on CCP for working on EVE, this is what we wanted. What do you mean sexier Megathron? Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Serving highsec, lowsec and nullsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10092
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Posted - 2012.10.25 11:51:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:What does **** me off when someone, or some group, decides to prey on another group, just because they have different values. [GǪ] That is what Eve was originally designed for. Indeed. Well, for that and for any other reason you can conceive of.
I don't know why it's making you so upset, though. It validates your persecution complex, doesn't it? Isn't that a good thing? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5320
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Posted - 2012.10.25 11:57:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:What does **** me off when someone, or some group, decides to prey on another group, just because they have different values. You want to take on someone in game, and blow their ship out of the sky for territory or financial gain, or pure PvP fun, I can see that. That is what Eve was originally designed for.
But to meta-game people, or to hammer people in-game for something done out of game, that is just twisted. So when null sec groups run their propaganda campaigns bent on ruining the enjoyment for quite literally hundreds of thousands of people, just because it gives them great pleasure to do so, well, that is just wrong.
The things you're complaining about are what separates EVE from other MMOs. You better bet that crap you say or post outside of the game will have negative consequences in-game. The metagame is one of the few things that makes this otherwise bland game exciting. This post was crafted by a member of the Goonswarm Federation posting cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online posting.
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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2012.10.25 12:05:00 -
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On a side note, I don't see how Incursions are in stone age now. Content-wise, well, they are no worse than any PvE out there, Income is decent. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
264
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Posted - 2012.10.25 12:15:00 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
rabblerabblerabble.
Meet me in null sec. 1 vs 1 on the sun. Also I'll still place a bounty on you, because I think other people should enjoy killing you too. Or Dinsdale could put a huge bounty on you as well and then I can shoot...er...bomb, actually.... the both of you and make some fat bank.
As a someone who lives in null sec if you place a bounty on me all you'll do is pay someone who was going to kill me anyway.
I mean feel free if you want, I just don't think it achieves the desired effect "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Matt Grav
Wrath of the Pea
9
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Posted - 2012.10.25 13:07:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:CCP, you are about to implement not one, not two, but at least 3 different major changes to game mechanics, plus introduce Dust, plus overhaul 40 some odd ship hulls, plus seem to be in the midst of yet another overhaul of FW.
......
And given the incredibly short test windows CCP is allowing, it is impossible to have the long-term, widespread testing required to see how all these changes will interact. Of course it's impossible. The interactions are incredibly complex and the only way to really see how they will all interact is by releasing them on the live system and seeing what happens.
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:What is the harm of SLOWLY implementing these changes.
Give the players, and ultimately your dev's, 6 months to test the new systems So it would take years to rollout any meaning full changes.... you'd pretty much kill the game dead. MMO's survive by periodic refresh and change.
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Do you guys seriously believe that you can create bullet-proof systems and the players have enough time to examine every possible loophole in the time you have allotted for this next release?. No of course they don't. You have to give this stuff to the players on the live systems to really see what the interactions are going to be like.
The test systems can be used to test the code for bugs but actual meaningful game play is only going to take place on the live system.
I've been involved in the rollout of lots of IT systems and updates. They have been tested thoroughly in testing managed by experienced test managers, with large and varied test groups but no matter what we did we never knew what was actually going to happen until the changes were released on to the full production services. Companies can spend millions on product testing but they always seem to end up having to fix things post release.
Change is sometimes painful and unwanted by a % of your current user base but without it products and games do not survive. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1818
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Posted - 2012.10.25 15:04:00 -
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Did anybody else stop reading the OP before the end of the first line?
CCP was doing fine before, during and after all the minority whiners that they changed process for. There is absolutely no reason for them to not implement any changes they are making and/or DUST. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
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