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HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:24:00 -
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So what is the real issue with hi-sec? I believe itGÇÖs a competition thing on a couple of levels. Most of the null moan bear come here and complain and ask for risk vs. reward and claim everyoneGÇÖs a botter and want to limit hi-sec. blaaah blaah blahhh.
WHY?
Most of these people want to nerf hi-sec simply because they cannot compete with their alts in high sec. They have their toons in low/null and they come to hi-sec to make their money and they find they canGÇÖt compete against the care bares that have spent their SP in mining and Indy. They need CCP to step in and make it fair.
This is the complete opposite of why they want to be able to kill hi-sec players at will. The null moan bear has tailored their pilot to pvp, while hi-sec has tailored to Indy. Easy kills for the null moan bear and it also helps eliminate some of the competition.
So in the end its about the null moan bear wanting to have easy kills and less competition. Then on a larger scale you have Goofswarm looking to manipulate the market in a similar way. Now with miner buffs they need to find another avenue to do this.
I am sure there are other agendas in play and there are always exceptions to every rule, but if you step back and look at it from afar you can see the pattern.
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Jim Era
5803
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:25:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
299
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:27:00 -
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Welcome to 'Dont nerf highsec' thread# ohlookyanotheroneofthese Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Zimmy Zeta
Paramount Commerce
2415
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:27:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:So what is the real issue with hi-sec? I believe itGÇÖs a competition thing on a couple of levels. Most of the null moan bear come here and complain and ask for risk vs. reward and claim everyoneGÇÖs a botter and want to limit hi-sec. blaaah blaah blahhh.
WHY?
Most of these people want to nerf hi-sec simply because they cannot compete with their alts in high sec. They have their toons in low/null and they come to hi-sec to make their money and they find they canGÇÖt compete against the care bares that have spent their SP in mining and Indy. They need CCP to step in and make it fair.
This is the complete opposite of why they want to be able to kill hi-sec players at will. The null moan bear has tailored their pilot to pvp, while hi-sec has tailored to Indy. Easy kills for the null moan bear and it also helps eliminate some of the competition.
So in the end its about the null moan bear wanting to have easy kills and less competition. Then on a larger scale you have Goofswarm looking to manipulate the market in a similar way. Now with miner buffs they need to find another avenue to do this.
I am sure there are other agendas in play and there are always exceptions to every rule, but if you step back and look at it from afar you can see the pattern.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. Have a nice day.
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Tali Ambraelle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
95
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:27:00 -
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Aziesta
Sathainn Braithrean Cartel Apocalypse Now.
90
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:29:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: They have their toons in low/null and they come to hi-sec to make their money You've got to admit though, that this situation is not ideal. People should be able to live where they want, and be rewarded appropriately. |
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp
3045
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:31:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:They have their toons in low/null and they come to hi-sec to make their money and they find they canGÇÖt compete against the care bares that have spent their SP in mining and Indy. They need CCP to step in and make it fair. Not really. A lot of those low/null folk you mentioned have been in the game for a long time and have plenty of skillpoints wherever they want them. Their alts are probably more trained than the average carebear. The problem is those pilots fight to defend/control low/null and should be getting the rewards from PvE in low/null, but the rewards aren't there. They shouldn't need to put alts in highsec to make money.
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svenska flicka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:32:00 -
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Aziesta wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: They have their toons in low/null and they come to hi-sec to make their money You've got to admit though, that this situation is not ideal. People should be able to live where they want, and be rewarded appropriately.
except for highsec. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2558
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:34:00 -
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We want null sec to be able to compeat with high sec on at least an even level and CCP to stop nerfing pvp and what little risk is left in high sec. |
Jim Era
5803
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:35:00 -
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James 315 wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:They have their toons in low/null and they come to hi-sec to make their money and they find they canGÇÖt compete against the care bares that have spent their SP in mining and Indy. They need CCP to step in and make it fair. Not really. A lot of those low/null folk you mentioned have been in the game for a long time and have plenty of skillpoints wherever they want them. Their alts are probably more trained than the average carebear. The problem is those pilots fight to defend/control low/null and should be getting the rewards from PvE in low/null, but the rewards aren't there. They shouldn't need to put alts in highsec to make money.
They're just too scared to make money in null so they go to hi-sec and put on a big show acting like its too easy when in fact they ******* love it. |
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svenska flicka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:36:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:We want null sec to be able to compeat with high sec on at least an even level and CCP to stop nerfing pvp and what little risk is left in high sec.
They can make highsec 100% safe except if wardecced for all I care, just remove all level 4's from highsec, ice belts, incursions, sites and production/research slots first |
Bane Necran
Appono Astos
572
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:37:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Most of these people want to nerf hi-sec simply because they cannot compete with their alts in high sec.
If someone in null is making all their isk on a hisec alt they are doing something terribly wrong.
"It's no use crying over spilt milk, because all the forces of the universe were bent on spilling it." ~William Maugham |
svenska flicka
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
57
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:40:00 -
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Bane Necran wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Most of these people want to nerf hi-sec simply because they cannot compete with their alts in high sec.
If someone in null is making all their isk on a hisec alt they are doing something terribly wrong.
True and most of them are terrible.
(it is also a way to make ISK and play eve without having to show up for CTA's.) |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
272
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:46:00 -
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James 315 wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:They have their toons in low/null and they come to hi-sec to make their money and they find they canGÇÖt compete against the care bares that have spent their SP in mining and Indy. They need CCP to step in and make it fair. Not really. A lot of those low/null folk you mentioned have been in the game for a long time and have plenty of skillpoints wherever they want them. Their alts are probably more trained than the average carebear. The problem is those pilots fight to defend/control low/null and should be getting the rewards from PvE in low/null, but the rewards aren't there. They shouldn't need to put alts in highsec to make money.
James 315, Bringer of Truth.
James 315 for CSM. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2035
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:56:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: So in the end its about the null moan bear wanting to have easy kills and less competition.
The easy kills would be on nullsec players' PvE alts, now that they'd have a reason to relocate them from highsec to a 0.0 where manufacturing, research, invention and low-end min mining is now worthwhile. So it'd be nullsec players killing more nullsec players, it wouldn't effect you at all. In fact, the decrease in highsec supply since nullsec alliances would be fuelling themselves internally would benefit you, if you do any of the activities in question. So it's win win. |
Natsett Amuinn
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
381
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Posted - 2012.10.25 16:58:00 -
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This thread is a part of the high sec communist agenda.
Create more threads implying "null whiners" and "goons fault" in an effort to spread the will of their communist masters.
They have put the economy into a vice of communist control, and will go to any length to masquerade with the intent of "helping" EVE.
Supporting the high sec industrial, communistic, complex will destroy New Eden, and makes you as evil as a libertarian.
Do not believe the "capitalism" and "free market" hyperbole coming out of mouths of the communist pawns. They desire only the centralization New Eden's industry.
Supporting the communist high sec agenda is support against the working men and women of New Eden.
Do not let them fool you with their deceit. Stand up and demand fair pay! |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1774
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Posted - 2012.10.25 17:15:00 -
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how entirely new and refreshing |
BoSau Hotim
1988
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Posted - 2012.10.25 17:20:00 -
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didn't i read this post last week... and the week before... and the week before.... I'm not a carebear...-áI'm a SPACEBARBIE! |
Geligdio Khan
JD Mining Industry
15
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Posted - 2012.10.25 17:27:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:So what is the real issue with hi-sec? I believe itGÇÖs a competition thing on a couple of levels. Most of the null moan bear come here and complain and ask for risk vs. reward and claim everyoneGÇÖs a botter and want to limit hi-sec. blaaah blaah blahhh.
WHY?
Most of these people want to nerf hi-sec simply because they cannot compete with their alts in high sec. They have their toons in low/null and they come to hi-sec to make their money and they find they canGÇÖt compete against the care bares that have spent their SP in mining and Indy. They need CCP to step in and make it fair.
This is the complete opposite of why they want to be able to kill hi-sec players at will. The null moan bear has tailored their pilot to pvp, while hi-sec has tailored to Indy. Easy kills for the null moan bear and it also helps eliminate some of the competition.
So in the end its about the null moan bear wanting to have easy kills and less competition. Then on a larger scale you have Goofswarm looking to manipulate the market in a similar way. Now with miner buffs they need to find another avenue to do this.
I am sure there are other agendas in play and there are always exceptions to every rule, but if you step back and look at it from afar you can see the pattern.
Industrial pilots want to sell to people who had ships destroyed. Do you think any of those people wanted to have their ships destroyed?
Why should the industrialists never have to take the chance of getting blown up themselves and be able to sell to those who do?
Why should a new player find there is only one industrial zone and they cant compete until the have a year of skill points as nearly everything is made by big walmart manufacturing corps around Jita?
Industry should be everywhere, everyone should take risk.
You think high sec is good for you but it's not. The game would be much improved, for industrialists and PVPers, if it were nerfed. |
BoSau Hotim
1988
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Posted - 2012.10.25 17:44:00 -
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Geligdio Khan wrote:
1. Industrial pilots want to sell to people who had ships destroyed. Do you think any of those people wanted to have their ships destroyed?
2. Why should the industrialists never have to take the chance of getting blown up themselves and be able to sell to those who do?
3. Why should a new player find there is only one industrial zone and they cant compete until the have a year of skill points as nearly everything is made by big walmart manufacturing corps around Jita?
4. Industry should be everywhere, everyone should take risk.
5. You think high sec is good for you but it's not. The game would be much improved, for industrialists and PVPers, if it were nerfed.
m'kay
1. yes, they wanted their ships destroyed.. doh. 2. they do have the chance of being blown up in any security space - where do you live in Eve that you don't know this? 3. A new player doesn't need a year of skill points to compete in the regional markets- and there are more zones than Jita.. again where do you live in Eve that you dont' know this? 4. Everyone takes a risk as soon as they log onto Eve. 5. High sec isn't good for you because you obviously don't know much about it. I'm not a carebear...-áI'm a SPACEBARBIE! |
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Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
340
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Posted - 2012.10.25 17:45:00 -
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7/10, the logical incosistency of people who are supposedly bad at high sec wanting it to be made harder is particularly lush. |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
202
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Posted - 2012.10.25 17:56:00 -
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So you had to create a new thread, rather than posting in any of the existing threads on this same topic?
Awesome. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2037
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Posted - 2012.10.25 18:17:00 -
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A common badposter tactic, when not very confident in one's ability to form strong arguments against good posters in an already existing thread, is to simply create a new thread rebutting fictionalized arguments instead. |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2012.10.25 18:33:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: So in the end its about the null moan bear wanting to have easy kills and less competition.
The easy kills would be on nullsec players' PvE alts, now that they'd have a reason to relocate them from highsec to a 0.0 where manufacturing, research, invention and low-end min mining is now worthwhile. So it'd be nullsec players killing more nullsec players, it wouldn't effect you at all. In fact, the decrease in highsec supply since nullsec alliances would be fuelling themselves internally would benefit you, if you do any of the activities in question. So it's win win.
No matter how much more profit you make null/low you will not entice enough people to leave hi-sec. People will leave to see another part of the game only if they want to not because they are forced to. |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2012.10.25 18:34:00 -
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BoSau Hotim wrote:didn't i read this post last week... and the week before... and the week before....
Not from me you didnt. |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2012.10.25 18:38:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:So you had to create a new thread, rather than posting in any of the existing threads on this same topic?
Awesome.
Just my point of view as I see it. Doesnt make it right or wrong, just different. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
2037
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Posted - 2012.10.25 18:43:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: So in the end its about the null moan bear wanting to have easy kills and less competition.
The easy kills would be on nullsec players' PvE alts, now that they'd have a reason to relocate them from highsec to a 0.0 where manufacturing, research, invention and low-end min mining is now worthwhile. So it'd be nullsec players killing more nullsec players, it wouldn't effect you at all. In fact, the decrease in highsec supply since nullsec alliances would be fuelling themselves internally would benefit you, if you do any of the activities in question. So it's win win. No matter how much more profit you make null/low you will not entice enough people to leave hi-sec. People will leave to see another part of the game only if they want to not because they are forced to. Actually, all attempts at incentivizing moving to null/lowsec by actually making it advantageous to do so... have succeded. The current Faction Warfare update succeeded in bringing people from highsec. The pre-nerf Dominion nullsec upgrades succeeded in bringing people out of highsec. EVE players on the whole aren't very risk averse, when they have good reason not to be. |
Sarah Schneider
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
1598
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Posted - 2012.10.25 18:47:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:They need CCP to step in and make it fair. You mean, like when hisec miners whine and cry nonstop about game mechanics up until CCP steps in and make it "fair" from their perspective even when those gank kills happened because of players own fault (greed, ignorance, etc etc)? Like, the CONCORD buff, various nerfs to ganking and mining barge buff? ring a bell? no?
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:I am sure there are other agendas in play and there are always exceptions to every rule, but if you step back and look at it from afar you can see the pattern.
You mean patterns like when hisec players whines and continuously complains about their living environments completely ignoring the facts that this is a sandbox game where people can do whatever they want including kicking your sandcastle and still pushes and insists that hisec should be made safer and safer until CCP follows those demands and repeat the whole whining process because frankly, hisec just can never be safe enough? "I think weGÇÖre just getting closer and closer to a place where the people we lose are people that itGÇÖs okay to lose." -Kristoffer Touborg, Eve lead designer |
Zhade Lezte
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
62
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Posted - 2012.10.25 18:52:00 -
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Chiming in on another risk/reward thread to remind all of you that game changes that make null/low worth PVEing in risk/reward wise don't *force* you to leave hisec, tia~ |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2012.10.25 19:01:00 -
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Sarah Schneider wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:They need CCP to step in and make it fair. You mean, like when hisec miners whine and cry nonstop about game mechanics up until CCP steps in and make it "fair" from their perspective even when those gank kills happened because of players own fault (greed, ignorance, etc etc)? Like, the CONCORD buff, various nerfs to ganking and mining barge buff? ring a bell? no? HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:I am sure there are other agendas in play and there are always exceptions to every rule, but if you step back and look at it from afar you can see the pattern.
You mean patterns like when hisec players whines and continuously complains about their living environments completely ignoring the facts that this is a sandbox game where people can do whatever they want including kicking your sandcastle and still pushes and insists that hisec should be made safer and safer until CCP follows those demands and repeat the whole whining process because frankly, hisec just can never be safe enough?
Sarah Schneider wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:They need CCP to step in and make it fair. You mean, like when hisec miners whine and cry nonstop about game mechanics up until CCP steps in and make it "fair" from their perspective even when those gank kills happened because of players own fault (greed, ignorance, etc etc)? Like, the CONCORD buff, various nerfs to ganking and mining barge buff? ring a bell? no? No because suicide ganking was never meant to be profitable as stated by the Devs. Sorry you lost this part of the game but its a sandbox. Adapt and move on stop trying to make up for it by a different approach. You guys are just like my kids. When they dont get their way they try a different approach just like you and your Goofswarm. You mean patterns like when hisec players whines and continuously complains about their living environments completely ignoring the facts that this is a sandbox game where people can do whatever they want including kicking your sandcastle and still pushes and insists that hisec should be made safer and safer until CCP follows those demands and repeat the whole whining process because frankly, hisec just can never be safe enough?
No the pattern where people like yourself lost easy kills and income and you continue to try and ruin a part of the game for someone else bc you didnt get your way. The same mentality people use when they destroy other peoples property because they cant have it themselves. |
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