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Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:30:00 -
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its 50m per hour, and sorry but that's ****...only worth the effort if your getting pvp at the same time. QCATs is recruiting https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=146180 |
Areana Starr
Black Hole Probing
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:26:00 -
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Dr Sheng-Ji Yang wrote:HAHAHAHAHA. Try that again in two weeks. After two weeks you will have to search for defensive plexing after Metro and Caldari space is gone. Bye bye plexing plague! I have lived to see that **** end.
I know that the amount of plexing is still massive. But only for the next 2 or 3 weeks. After that you should better start play the game instead of stupid orbit button. Actually this is the best patch from CCP I have ever seen.
Why is everyone saying " in 2 weeks?" what will happen in 2 weeks? You are predicting the balance in 2 weeks and assuming it will be a certain way? How would u know if amarr/caldari will give up and stop Offensive plexing? Last time I checked, minmatar and gallente had a lot Of systems with over 50% vulnerability.
And what people mentioned above is likely to happen. If farmers can't farm anymore, they will have alts on the other side plexing also.
I'm actually predicting both sides simultaneously at tier 3 with equal defensive and offensive plexing.
And yes it's 50 mil per account, but in this case it's feasible to run multiple accounts. Obviously u don't want to talk about tier 4 missions the same way because it's much harder to run those simultaneously with 4 accounts and it's not very efficient and much riskier. In this case though, 4+ accounts is very efficient and easy to pull off and you Can use brand new characters. |
Dan Carter Murray
158
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:34:00 -
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Asari Tadaruwa wrote:with this logic you can make 1b an hour with FW. just takes 25 accounts
uh actually it's 10bil an hour with 250 accounts |
The Logi
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:37:00 -
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I don't even get outta bed for 50mil an hour. You can make that afk mining, and are less likely to get shot in high sec (if you equip a tank). Not to mention this wont even be viable in a few days when things get decontested. It is unlikely people will offensive plex a buffer (past vulnerable), as there is no LP awarded once a system goes vuln. Systems wont sit at vuln like they do now. Its hardly afk when you have to spend 20min looking for every plex you run. Fail OP is fail. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
558
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:37:00 -
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Major Killz wrote:Or! This could be a deal between both milltias and expanded over the whole war zone and divide systems equally etc. No flipping systems (structure nap), everything stays the same and both sides make isk and pew. Something like this has always been possible: "You leave my mission runners alone, and I'll leave yours alone" Fortunately, there are griefers on all sides. |
Areana Starr
Black Hole Probing
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Posted - 2012.10.26 17:38:00 -
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The Logi wrote:I don't even get outta bed for 50mil an hour. You can make that afk mining, and are less likely to get shot in high sec (if you equip a tank). Not to mention this wont even be viable in a few days when things get decontested. It is unlikely people will offensive plex a buffer (past vulnerable), as there is no LP awarded once a system goes vuln. Systems wont sit at vuln like they do now. Its hardly afk when you have to spend 20min looking for every plex you run. Fail OP is fail.
Well than its not for you, I'm not saying you should do it, or anyone should do it. Many ppl don't have the elite skills you have to make 300+ mil an hour. It's good for beginners because there is nothing that makes more with low skills.
You don't have to do 100% vulnerable systems. 50% + is pretty good LP. And make more than that afk mining? What skills you need for that, maybe perfect mining skills and orca boosts? This can be done with an hour old char.
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
276
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Posted - 2012.10.26 17:47:00 -
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Areana Starr wrote:With a tier 3 war zone control, you can earn about 25k isk defensive plexing a major with high vulnerability. Let's say you do that twice an hour.
It's much easier to do this now with minmatar than the old offensive plexing because there are many more systems and they are pretty empty compared to the 5 or so systems amarr had previously and that were full of players on both sides. The fitting is really easy too, all you need is 2 warp core stabs. Heck, you can get an incursus with 4 warp core stabs and a cloak.
This would allow you to have 4+ accounts running at same time with no supervision and all you have to do when you hear a target lock it to just warp away to a planet, wait a minute, warp back and cloak. Eventually the guy will leave because he wont be able to spot you anymore. If he stays just go to a different system.
With 4 accounts that's 200 mil isk per hour with lp=1000 isk, which is what it is now. It won't really go down below this cause cheaper faction ships will increase demand anyway, or else everyone will be flying faction stabbers, firetails, etc.
Only problem with defence plexing is that some one has to attack plex to contest systems, and that is not so profitable and easy, so easy defending will end when all contested levels are down.
If you have high tier and you want to defend problem is that enemy has low tier in theory and they are not willing to attack plex, they join to your militia and do missions. |
Areana Starr
Black Hole Probing
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Posted - 2012.10.26 17:59:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Areana Starr wrote:With a tier 3 war zone control, you can earn about 25k isk defensive plexing a major with high vulnerability. Let's say you do that twice an hour.
It's much easier to do this now with minmatar than the old offensive plexing because there are many more systems and they are pretty empty compared to the 5 or so systems amarr had previously and that were full of players on both sides. The fitting is really easy too, all you need is 2 warp core stabs. Heck, you can get an incursus with 4 warp core stabs and a cloak.
This would allow you to have 4+ accounts running at same time with no supervision and all you have to do when you hear a target lock it to just warp away to a planet, wait a minute, warp back and cloak. Eventually the guy will leave because he wont be able to spot you anymore. If he stays just go to a different system.
With 4 accounts that's 200 mil isk per hour with lp=1000 isk, which is what it is now. It won't really go down below this cause cheaper faction ships will increase demand anyway, or else everyone will be flying faction stabbers, firetails, etc. Only problem with defence plexing is that some one has to attack plex to contest systems, and that is not so profitable and easy, so easy defending will end when all contested levels are down. If you have high tier and you want to defend problem is that enemy has low tier in theory and they are not willing to attack plex, they join to your militia and do missions.
You can always offensive plex to bring the vuln up. Its not that hard to do a minor, can be done easy with frigs. I doubt it will balance at such a skew. If the other side doesn't want to offensive plex, you have free roam to do it yourself with no one to bug you. Even with amarr at tier 2, it's still good LP.
And if everyone starts doing missions, that will provide incentive for the losing side to....... Pvp? And kill the mission runners? That way you won't even suffer sec hits. |
Frozen Fallout
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
10
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:03:00 -
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The thing is its not paying even close to what it was paying which is good. Also once all the systems become decontested and you wont be getting 30% to 75% as levels will probably drop quick to around the teens in contested unless a group of people plex the system in PvE/PvP ships that can get caught. Even if you say "Well I have 4 accounts I can easily Offensive plex now" you are going to still be hunted by the PvPers on the other side.
I think your right some people will be punks and still meta game the **** out of the system and make a profit doing it. Sure you can be a punk and never donate and never do pvp and always run with all your 4 accounts meta gaming the system where you spend hours with 3 accounts getting the contested rating up maybe 20% if you don't get hassled, which you will be. You still getting crap isk with that 1 day old alt at such a low %. I think the way it was before you could do it with a 1 day old alt or be super new to the game and still be able to make tens of billions of isk in a month or if you where unlucky and missed turn in day you had to wait another month. And not everyone was making money off the old system I know many people that have millions of LP and have quite due to missing turn in days. Im hoping they will come back now and help dump systems.
But in the end its way more effort now to meta game the system and much easier to just play it. Only time will tell how things go but from what I have seen so far Im happy. And once we see contested levels drop we will probably see a boost in PvP and offensive Large group plexing. |
Areana Starr
Black Hole Probing
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:22:00 -
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Frozen Fallout wrote:The thing is its not paying even close to what it was paying which is good. Also once all the systems become decontested and you wont be getting 30% to 75% as levels will probably drop quick to around the teens in contested unless a group of people plex the system in PvE/PvP ships that can get caught. Even if you say "Well I have 4 accounts I can easily Offensive plex now" you are going to still be hunted by the PvPers on the other side.
I think your right some people will be punks and still meta game the **** out of the system and make a profit doing it. Sure you can be a punk and never donate and never do pvp and always run with all your 4 accounts meta gaming the system where you spend hours with 3 accounts getting the contested rating up maybe 20% if you don't get hassled, which you will be. You still getting crap isk with that 1 day old alt at such a low %. I think the way it was before you could do it with a 1 day old alt or be super new to the game and still be able to make tens of billions of isk in a month or if you where unlucky and missed turn in day you had to wait another month. And not everyone was making money off the old system I know many people that have millions of LP and have quite due to missing turn in days. Im hoping they will come back now and help dump systems.
But in the end its way more effort now to meta game the system and much easier to just play it. Only time will tell how things go but from what I have seen so far Im happy. And once we see contested levels drop we will probably see a boost in PvP and offensive Large group plexing.
Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. It will balance out at the end where if a contested level is low, the other side offensive plexes and more pvp happens and I think both sides will be tier 3 and do pretty equal defensive and offensive plexing since that will provide the best environment for pvpers and farmers alike |
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Bouh Revetoile
Barricade.
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Posted - 2012.10.27 17:40:00 -
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Areana Starr wrote:Yes that's exactly what I'm saying. It will balance out at the end where if a contested level is low, the other side offensive plexes and more pvp happens and I think both sides will be tier 3 and do pretty equal defensive and offensive plexing since that will provide the best environment for pvpers and farmers alike Warzone won't shift as fast as it does previously, but I think the new system is way better for pvp.
You just cannot afk offensive plex now, and much more easy to catch (2WCS fit wont be as effective as before, unless you restrict yourself to minor plex).
In fact, there cannot be more defensive plexers than offensive plexers ; offensive plexing will be much harder, leading to less incentive to do it ; abusers want easy things, so there will be more of them wanting to defend ; unbalance between the two will lead to desertion of defensive plexers. An equilibrium will born, but it won't be farmland anymore. |
Red Teufel
Blackened Skies Nulli Secunda
83
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Posted - 2012.10.27 20:11:00 -
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either way i plan on pvping in FW. expect some pew pew action when dust comes out :) |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly
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Posted - 2012.10.27 21:59:00 -
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Red Teufel wrote:either way i plan on pvping in FW. expect some pew pew action when dust comes out :)
Nulli is coming back to FW? WHEN!?!?! Which faction!?!!?
YOU MUST TELL ME. |
Ethan Argoin
The Forsworn Protectorate Imperial Protectorate
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Posted - 2012.10.28 15:07:00 -
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OP - your an 4rsehole. That is all! |
Silence iKillYouu
KA POW POW Inc Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.29 01:44:00 -
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OHMAIGHAD http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/ |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
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Posted - 2012.10.29 02:13:00 -
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Ethan Argoin wrote:OP - your an 4rsehole. That is all!
Ur wrong, mans a Genius. He's using 4 accounts to make 200m an hour afk. So there!
In all honestly I wonder how much hes actually making now its not so easier to offensive plex.
My guess is his four accounts are actually only worth around 70-110m an hour and a couple of ship losses. |
Areana Starr
Black Hole Probing
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Posted - 2012.10.29 06:52:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:Ethan Argoin wrote:OP - your an 4rsehole. That is all! Ur wrong, mans a Genius. He's using 4 accounts to make 200m an hour afk. So there!
In all honestly I wonder how much hes actually making now its not so easier to offensive plex.
My guess is his four accounts are actually only worth around 70-110m an hour and a couple of ship losses.
Why would I need to offensive plex? Hint: be gallente.
Honestly I haven't been doing it, haven't even played last couple of days.
And I think all the people that are saying they can make way more doing Something else, or sucks, or is only 50 mil cause you need multiple accounts, etc etc... It's the people that are doing it And they don't want people to know to make it easier with less competition |
Dan Carter Murray
162
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Posted - 2012.10.29 06:55:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Red Teufel wrote:either way i plan on pvping in FW. expect some pew pew action when dust comes out :) Nulli is coming back to FW? WHEN!?!?! Which faction!?!!? YOU MUST TELL ME.
They using FW alts to oplex while their mains protect them. Deplexing as well I'm sure. So far I seen them in minmatar militia. |
Areana Starr
Black Hole Probing
1
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Posted - 2012.10.29 07:48:00 -
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Oops double post |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.10.30 14:13:00 -
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Areana Starr wrote:chatgris wrote:Areana Starr wrote:With 4 accounts OP should have read 50M/hr then 10 hours will pay for four accounts for the whole month, and you are learning skills while doing it
Yeah but it's TEN HOURS! What do you get for that TEN HOURS spent? The ability to spend another 10 hours doing that next month.
Does your time have no value? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Areana Starr
Black Hole Probing
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Posted - 2012.10.30 17:19:00 -
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Well yes 10 hours is a lot, but it's nothing for a lot of farmers. A lot of people pay for their accounts through buying plex with isk,, so no matter which route you take, it will take some time.
And I think u can have both militias at tier 3, because right now minmatar is at 4 and amarr is at 2. |
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