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Eternal Montage
Frontier Explorer's League Sadistica Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:58:00 -
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In these turbulent times with suicide gankings everywhere you look, what role does a freighter have? I can fly one on my trader but I have no idea what to use it for. I'm training to use a JF which has obvious uses, but what about the ones without jumping capabilities? |
Arcosian
EntroPrelatial Industria EntroPraetorian Aegis
25
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:06:00 -
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Transporting large stuff with est. value below 1b isk or giving everyone lols when they get popped carrying 5+bil isk. |
Eternal Montage
Frontier Explorer's League Sadistica Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:09:00 -
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Arcosian wrote:Transporting large stuff with est. value below 1b isk or giving everyone lols when they get popped carrying 5+bil isk.
Haha, exactly what I'd like to avoid. Though this is exactly what I thought, but I can't think of one instance where I can actually fill a freighter and not break 1 bil, which is why I asked the question. In most cases a regular hauler can carry enough. Freighters just seem pointless these days and I was hoping to be convinced otherwise |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
386
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:37:00 -
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Really?
A load of isotopes in one stack, mods unless you have am orca, etc.
Freighters can haul anything below 1 bil, which can be a ton of stuff. If you have 1000 mod in 4 stacks, your choice is freighter or an orca. Anything else will get popped.
And you can't light a cyno in high sec, so once in high sec, a jf is really just an expensive freighter. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10146
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:43:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:And you can't light a cyno in high sec, so once in high sec, a jf is really just an expensive freighter. GǪspecifically, a much faster and sturdier freighter.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
729
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Posted - 2012.10.26 18:23:00 -
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Eternal Montage wrote:I can't think of one instance where I can actually fill a freighter and not break 1 bil
Then you don't need a freighter.
Although to be fair you don't need to fill the freighter, just fill it past Orca capacity.
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Eternal Montage
Frontier Explorer's League Sadistica Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.10.26 18:26:00 -
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Zhilia Mann wrote:Eternal Montage wrote:I can't think of one instance where I can actually fill a freighter and not break 1 bil Then you don't need a freighter. Although to be fair you don't need to fill the freighter, just fill it past Orca capacity.
Nah I guess I don't... but I can fly/afford one which is why I asked. I have no idea what they're used for. Maybe I wasn't clear about my ignorance |
Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
37
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Posted - 2012.10.26 19:56:00 -
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One possible use: mineral transport for mass construction. Tritanium is profitable but bulky; you can carry roughly something like ten to fifteen million units at most in an Orca if you've got your skills maxed and the ship rigged and fitted for max cargo, and that's enough for maybe three battleships, and not enough for a single cap ship. A freighter can carry something like fifty million units of tritanium.
So if you're doing mass logistics operations, a freighter might be handy. Or if you'd like to move a metric crapload of trit around to play the markets. |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
211
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:04:00 -
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Eternal Montage wrote:In these turbulent times with suicide gankings everywhere you look, what role does a freighter have? I can fly one on my trader but I have no idea what to use it for.
So, you trained it without knowing "what to use it for"?? You're kidding, right? |
Eternal Montage
Frontier Explorer's League Sadistica Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.10.26 21:54:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:Eternal Montage wrote:In these turbulent times with suicide gankings everywhere you look, what role does a freighter have? I can fly one on my trader but I have no idea what to use it for. So, you trained it without knowing "what to use it for"?? You're kidding, right?
Well I have a trader alt and he doesn't need any more trade skills so I was lik "now what?" and trained freighters. They looked really useful and then I found out that freighters get suicide ganked all the time |
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
406
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Posted - 2012.10.27 03:18:00 -
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Eternal Montage wrote:Arcosian wrote:Transporting large stuff with est. value below 1b isk or giving everyone lols when they get popped carrying 5+bil isk. Haha, exactly what I'd like to avoid. Though this is exactly what I thought, but I can't think of one instance where I can actually fill a freighter and not break 1 bil, which is why I asked the question. In most cases a regular hauler can carry enough. Freighters just seem pointless these days and I was hoping to be convinced otherwise
It's all relative. I don't use my freighter all that often but when i do I rarely fill it.
That being said, you can fit 500mil into an Itty 5. And you will likely get popped. You can put that same 500mil into a freighter and pretty much afk autopilot it in safety. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1064
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Posted - 2012.10.27 06:47:00 -
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You can carry >1b in a freighter, but you have to be smart about it.
1. Don't AFK. 2. Don't use common gates through known trouble spots. 3. Use a scout. 4. Consider using a webbing alt. |
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2012.10.27 08:05:00 -
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You can use your freighter to fly around fitted ships. |
Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
350
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Posted - 2012.10.27 10:29:00 -
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Eternal Montage wrote:Ginger Barbarella wrote:Eternal Montage wrote:In these turbulent times with suicide gankings everywhere you look, what role does a freighter have? I can fly one on my trader but I have no idea what to use it for. So, you trained it without knowing "what to use it for"?? You're kidding, right? Well I have a trader alt and he doesn't need any more trade skills so I was lik "now what?" and trained freighters. They looked really useful and then I found out that freighters get suicide ganked all the time
They are not ganked all the time. There are hundreds of freighters being used in new eden at all times, a tiny fraction of these get ganked when carrying high values of stuff through certain systems. And it is very easy to "fill" a freighter and keep under a bil (which isn't a hard limit either, you are very unlikely to be ganked under 2 bil really).
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Marc Callan
Interstellar Steel Templis Dragonaors
37
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Posted - 2012.10.27 11:00:00 -
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Sjugar wrote:You can use your freighter to fly around fitted ships.
Can you? I thought you needed a ship with a hangar bay (an Orca or a carrier) to do that. |
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2012.10.27 12:23:00 -
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Marc Callan wrote:Sjugar wrote:You can use your freighter to fly around fitted ships. Can you? I thought you needed a ship with a hangar bay (an Orca or a carrier) to do that. You can if you make a courrier contract.
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Silk daShocka
Greasy Hair Club
50
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Posted - 2012.10.28 21:34:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:You can carry >1b in a freighter, but you have to be smart about it.
* Don't AFK. * Don't use common gates / approaches through known trouble spots. * Use a scout. * Consider using fleet booster alt(s). * Consider using a same-corp webbing alt to get to warp faster (most frigates can fit a 1MN MWD and two webs).
You will find it hard to apply more than 2 webs solo, and it takes a fast ship (Slasher, Condor, etc.)
0x T2 Web: Web-and-instawarp at 75% of max velocity 1x T2 Web: Web-and-instawarp at 30% of max velocity 2x T2 Web: Web-and-instawarp at 15% of max velocity 3x T2 Web: Web-and-instawarp at 10% of max velocity 4x T2 Web: Web-and-instawarp at 8% of max velocity
Example:
[Slasher, Triple Web] Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II
Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II Stasis Webifier II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II
[empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
[empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot]
meta 4 webs are better than tech 2, just fyi |
Cage Man
Evil Guinea Pigs
15
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Posted - 2012.10.28 22:48:00 -
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Double wrap your items and you can get away with carrying more than 1 bill isk in goods because your cargo can't be scanned. Double wrap--- put goods in a container then create a courier contract. Need an alt to do this.. but hey CCP have be kind and given you 3 on each account |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
10167
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Posted - 2012.10.29 00:14:00 -
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Silk daShocka wrote:meta 4 webs are better than tech 2, just fyi Makes absolutely no difference in this case.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
750
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Posted - 2012.10.29 02:24:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:Double wrap your items and you can get away with carrying more than 1 bill isk in goods because your cargo can't be scanned. Double wrap--- put goods in a container then create a courier contract. Need an alt to do this.. but hey CCP have be kind and given you 3 on each account
Or you'll be ganked by someone who decides to take a chance on you carrying more.
FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
27
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Posted - 2012.10.29 08:34:00 -
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some old school freighter tricks can help you carry large loads that are very expensive.
Most common one, which you may or may not like, is to fly off hours. Taking the freighter with 5 billion in items to/from jita prime time UStz may not be a good idea. YOu and the whole east cost coast and the middle states and some West side peeps are all on. Chance of gank higher. Fly that freighter during an off off hour, like say an hour before dt and except for night owls or early morning peeps east coast and its much clearer skies. You get your oceanics to deal with but we by and large are not massive numbers on the server imo. I play oceanic tz and have hauled billions and bliions of stuff no issues.
Or to work your tz, spend a few hours over a few nights and find more clean route(s) to your usual destination(s). Hitting a commonly camped system like niarja...yes you may have problems. As you will with damn near any route automap plots out for you. take them little country roads off the mian highway as it were and generally the gates look a bit less conjested. basically take a fast frigatge and explore the off gates on a route to say jita. gate campers are creatures of habit, they like a few gates. take the time to find gates they don't like basically.
Worst case if an indy making your own stuff....after you do step 2, you may want to move your indy base to a system on that cleaner route. I did this. 5/6 jumps to jita when I ran the ovens alot, all clear as crystal even when I hopped on USTZ if I caught it on a weekend morning. Only saw heavy traffice at 4-4 undock. |
Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
198
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Posted - 2012.10.29 13:37:00 -
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A little off topic, but I can honestly say, nothing fun ever happens when you are in a freighter. |
Eternal Montage
Frontier Explorer's League Sadistica Alliance
7
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:01:00 -
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Cage Man wrote:Double wrap your items and you can get away with carrying more than 1 bill isk in goods because your cargo can't be scanned. Double wrap--- put goods in a container then create a courier contract. Need an alt to do this.. but hey CCP have be kind and given you 3 on each account
Yeah this is what I was thinking. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
753
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:35:00 -
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Eternal Montage wrote:Cage Man wrote:Double wrap your items and you can get away with carrying more than 1 bill isk in goods because your cargo can't be scanned. Double wrap--- put goods in a container then create a courier contract. Need an alt to do this.. but hey CCP have be kind and given you 3 on each account Yeah this is what I was thinking.
Get ganked by people that assume a double wrap means phat loot FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities.As well as mysql and CSV/XLS conversions of the Static Data Extract. |
Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
46
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Posted - 2012.10.30 04:58:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Eternal Montage wrote:Cage Man wrote:Double wrap your items and you can get away with carrying more than 1 bill isk in goods because your cargo can't be scanned. Double wrap--- put goods in a container then create a courier contract. Need an alt to do this.. but hey CCP have be kind and given you 3 on each account Yeah this is what I was thinking. Get ganked by people that assume a double wrap means phat loot
This here is pretty important. Double wrapper usually mean you are hiding something worth more than you should carry to be safe while all is visible. It's definately not a perfect emthod to carry more than 1 bill. |
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