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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.04.02 07:49:00 -
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Despite the palyer group going nuts over the delays in corp tax - i wonder why CCP are ignoring the issue of corp tax ???
What is there motivation is it laziness, desire to keep it out 100% or just focus on other non essential areas ?
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2005.04.02 07:54:00 -
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I don't think theres a big group going nuts over it, just you. Tbh, its not really a big deal considering how much freaking problems EVE has, and adding a way for people like me to create corps just to farm nubs for isk is really not that important.
Yeah, should be in, but I don't think CCP will bust a nut over it. Any good corp can handle things without taxes _____________________________________ Perpetually driven, your end is our beginning. "Can I be a consultant for EVE II?" - WhiteDwarf |
ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.04.02 07:57:00 -
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good point DC im considering all sides here - donations and corp mining are effective. Corp tax seems like a scratch though that wont go away
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Schani Kratnorr
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Posted - 2005.04.02 09:01:00 -
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BEsides the point. CP promised some tools to assist those that manage corps. and they are now busy making new ships... -- "I am an expert in not caring. The trick is to stop giving a rat's ass about anyone else and start thinking about what YOU want, what YOU diserve, what the world ows YOU!" - Bender |
Rich Head
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Posted - 2005.04.02 09:12:00 -
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I'd be happy with a simple yay or nay from CCP on this.
Yes I would like to see it in, but if it doesn't happen it's no huge deal. However, maybe if CCP would say "yes, it's going to happen!" or "No you can swivel on my nerfed mega pulse barrel!", then we could put this topic to bed once and for all.
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Amaron Ghant
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Posted - 2005.04.02 11:23:00 -
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The corp tax question boils down to this. It was promised; It was advertised as a feature for exodus and it's not here.
As the original poster said CCP would appear to be ignoing this subject in the hope that it will die a quiet death.
I'm not a CEO, yet I'm for corp tax.
If CCP turn round and tell us why it's not in...ie "it's not in because we've found rather a lot of exploitable situations that need to be closed first" then thats good enough for me. I'll sit back happy in the knowledge that CCP are not actually breaking thier promises, merely delaying corp tax implementation till they get it right.
What I find disgusting is the total radio silence from CCP on this subject. I was as mad as the next pilot during the "weekend of doom", but after i read the techies report, especially the bit where they said "our bad...really really sorry" my blood pressure lowered all the way down. Information. Information makes for happy customers. Being ignored or feeling like they are being ignored makes for unhappy customers.
Come on ccp. implement corp tax or tell us why you can't so that we can get on with whining about other more important subjects like "OMFG raven is too uber; I can't tank it in my Bantam" or that firm favourite "Megapulse are too uber, double thier size, cap usage, fitting requirements and half thier damage"
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Amaron Ghant
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Posted - 2005.04.02 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: Amaron Ghant on 02/04/2005 11:30:17
Originally by: DigitalCommunist I don't think theres a big group going nuts over it, just you. Tbh, its not really a big deal considering how much freaking problems EVE has, and adding a way for people like me to create corps just to farm nubs for isk is really not that important.
Yeah, should be in, but I don't think CCP will bust a nut over it. Any good corp can handle things without taxes
Heh missed this the first read through. It's a pretty good point though. The solution is to make corp tax a bilateral agreement. The corp has to agree to implement tax, and the players have the option of not paying tax. clicky buttons for the win. After a period of negotiation between management and players a level is set. If a player doesnt want to pay he either leaves the corp, the corp boot him, or the corp lives with his miserly ways.
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Rod Blaine
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Posted - 2005.04.02 11:27:00 -
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it's not in cause its a scam invite the size of manhattans skyline.
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2005.04.02 11:29:00 -
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It's not that big a deal. We managed to run a successful corp tax system for over a year using excel. ---
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Amaron Ghant
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Posted - 2005.04.02 11:38:00 -
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Look. I'm not trying to start a flamefest "tax is ebil or tax is good" here. All I want (and the original poster) is a quick one liner from CCP on the subject. A comment from CCP and end of complaint.
No one likes being ignored. Wether you are for or against tax is not the issue. The issue is about the lack of comment from kieron or any of the others on the subject.
This is the crux of the matter. It was promised. It's not in. Why. Answer that CCP and we'll all (well me at least, not too concerned with the happiness of others tbh ) be happy.
And I've just got this to say before I dash off to see if the servers up early again (thanks ccp)to those of you donning your fireproof gloves and diving for the keyboard. Sit back, read what I've said and then tell me why it's a flaming offence to request a comment from ccp on a subject that I and (at least one other) consider important?
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NastyLlama
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Posted - 2005.04.02 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist I don't think theres a big group going nuts over it, just you. Tbh, its not really a big deal considering how much freaking problems EVE has, and adding a way for people like me to create corps just to farm nubs for isk is really not that important.
Yeah, should be in, but I don't think CCP will bust a nut over it. Any good corp can handle things without taxes
Well I shave seen plenty of players asking for corp tax, and it always seems to be on the forums, so I think there are quite a few who want it in. Not just ceo's but corp members who would rather pay tax than have to attend mining ops all the time, I for one would like it in asap.
I do seem to remember that corp tax was tryied out, cant remember if it was before beta or after and it was full of problems, maybe thats why its been kept out, a word from ccp on this subject would be very welcome ==================================================
I'M not a carebear, I'M a total coward, beware of cornerd carebares and cowards, we winge and cry like cornered pirates..........
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.04.03 03:40:00 -
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please stick to the original (4 month old 14 page long) tax thread
the Mods has a nasty habit opf locking threads when someone starts a new thread about the samme thing
and who knpows maybe someone in CCP will actuelly bother answering when my thread reaces 20 pages
oh I forgot there was a smart ass very disapointing comment on page 2 (I think) from a Mod
Thank You Paw Sandberg
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Cory
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Posted - 2005.04.03 03:51:00 -
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Sue CCP for false advertising then if you care sooo much. You probably could too as it was advertised in Exodus and you have been paying real money to play...
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Raven1x
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Posted - 2005.04.03 05:35:00 -
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Originally by: Amaron Ghant The corp tax question boils down to this. It was promised; It was advertised as a feature for exodus and it's not here.
As the original poster said CCP would appear to be ignoing this subject in the hope that it will die a quiet death.
Just add it to the list of things that CCP seem to be ignoring in the hope we'll all forget: Comet mining, dust clouds, system belts...
Quote: If CCP turn round and tell us why it's not in...ie "it's not in because we've found rather a lot of exploitable situations that need to be closed first" then thats good enough for me.
Agreed, or even a "we've had a look and it'll take far too much work so forget it" but this total silence (not counting the usual "SOON" which seems to suggest pride at their inability to deliver) is verging on outright contempt for the customer.
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Selim
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Posted - 2005.04.03 05:38:00 -
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Can someone tell me wtf the point of corp tax is? And the logic for using it?
In a corp, your members are already working their ass off mining/fighting etc, not making as much money as they would solo, and you want to tax their incomes further now?
Thats ridiculous.
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Amaron Ghant
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Posted - 2005.04.03 09:24:00 -
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Once again Selim. Read...don't React. It's not about Corp tax being evil...or corp tax being good. It's about where the f??K is a promised component of the game, and the silence surrounding it.
For or against isn't important. What is important is a statement from CCP saying either "forget it. Sorry" or "we are working on making it exploit free".
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Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2005.04.03 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Selim Can someone tell me wtf the point of corp tax is? And the logic for using it?
In a corp, your members are already working their ass off mining/fighting etc, not making as much money as they would solo, and you want to tax their incomes further now?
Thats ridiculous.
A solo corp can use corp tax to provide simple money storage for mutual purchases. You don't need to give, or trouble yourself in "who gives what". Everyone gives a fixed percentage.
It's a simplicity.
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F'nog
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Posted - 2005.04.03 09:32:00 -
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Sounds like JF isn't the place for you, Selim. Not all corps are the same.
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Amaron Ghant
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Posted - 2005.04.03 09:38:00 -
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Edited by: Amaron Ghant on 03/04/2005 09:38:05 paw sandberg. Read through your thread. No dev comments. Perhaps they got deleted by the forum mafia. Wouldnt surprise me
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Thyro
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Posted - 2005.04.03 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Selim Can someone tell me wtf the point of corp tax is? And the logic for using it?
In a corp, your members are already working their ass off mining/fighting etc, not making as much money as they would solo, and you want to tax their incomes further now?
Thats ridiculous.
Well your comment is ridiculous... a corp CAN OR DO NOT apply a corp tax if they want.
THE MATTER IS ...
long time requested long time promissed long time discussed
and long time ignored!
so WTF is CCP doing just add more bugged ships to retain with ridiculous skill requirements to retain our subscrition for more time, instead of solving basic needs in this game.
Ridicuolous is not seen CORP TAX implemented and not even a inch of feed back from CCP... that is the ridiculous part.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.04.03 10:28:00 -
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I personally dont see a use for corp tax other than exploitation as its a system a member of a corp cannot control and there are too many what if scenarios. A system such as originally proposed would be too open to abuse.
And it was never promised
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Trek
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Posted - 2005.04.03 11:58:00 -
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As usual the most vocal group in the game are the ones who scream for ways to easier find and destroy their prey, or about how to make it harder for the average player using some very biased risk/reward equation as an excuse. Much is done to satisfy the minority of players who has the highest post-count on the forum.
On the other hand the economics-part of the game is continiuosly neglected, the corp-tax is only one of the examples. Unfortunatley it appears as CCP doesn't really care much about this part of the game, in my oppinion we're getting closer and closer to the average point-n-shoot game for every patch. Yes there has been some improvements for the economical part of the game, but they are few and far between. The only things I can think of right now are the improved marked interface, markets in space and the marketing skills. Meanwhile, the pure shoot em' up players have received new ships and modules, rebalancing (not that this is a bad thing), alliances, POS, etc etc. Some of these things at least appear to be a much larger project to implement than the corp tax part. (Yeah I know I don't work for CCP so I don't know how their code is built and I only have limited experience in large programming projects.)
Bah, enough ranting. I would like to hear something from CCP about the corp-tax too! So far close to nothing has been said, and I try to keep myself informed in these areas...
--- My other ship is a Reaper
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hitech redneck
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Posted - 2005.04.03 12:20:00 -
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I too would like to know when it is going to be implimented. CCP did not waste in time putting in sales tax and broker fees. So whats the issue. If you don't won't to pay a tax don't join a corp that has a tax. It takes isk for a corp/allience to run.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2005.04.03 12:29:00 -
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tbh all I want is the ability to tax npc bounties, don't care about the rest.
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Murod
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Posted - 2005.04.03 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera I personally dont see a use for corp tax other than exploitation as its a system a member of a corp cannot control and there are too many what if scenarios. A system such as originally proposed would be too open to abuse.
And it was never promised
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Note : Some of these are conceptual designs that have not gone through thorough playtesting and are all subject to change. CCP reserves all rights to change, in part or completely the designs presented here
So the member cant quit no? If a Corp has a CEO that is willing to exploit his/her members through the Tax system then perhaps they shouldnt be in that Corp anyway. Also, Corp Tax was in game and removed to be brought back, which we were told would be with the Shiva(Exodus) expansion.
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.04.04 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Amaron Ghant Edited by: Amaron Ghant on 03/04/2005 09:38:05 paw sandberg. Read through your thread. No dev comments. Perhaps they got deleted by the forum mafia. Wouldnt surprise me
ill have to read the old pages again
I could have sworn that atleast a Aurora member cvame with some stupid (useless) comment on one of the first pages
Thank You Paw Sandberg
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Paw Sandberg
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Posted - 2005.04.04 04:20:00 -
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I did check it
aparently its been edited out (or removed) I do make a comment regading it on page 4 as well but the comment that was there is gone
Thank You Paw Sandberg
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