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shadowhearth Eto
5pm In Hades Hail the Hoff
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Posted - 2012.10.29 19:13:00 -
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So i got my alt missioning for ***** and giggles now. so far its a money pit, but it is a good lesson for me on how fitting ships, battle mechanics. My main is mining 24/7 like a responsible parent so alt can throw away money!
So i am doing level 3 missions so far in a Drake. I am using heavy missiles and i stuck with a small annoying problem. I dont have problems taking down other bigger ships, but small frigates are just pain in a hole... i am litterly flying around and killing big ships while having 2-3 damn frygs flying around like annoying flies. then it takes me ages to kill all of them by doing stupidly low damage. I was adviced to take target painter, but so far it does not help much at all. What would be the best way to deal with frigate rats?
other thing - ammo type. Any way i can actually see from a rat ship what sort of ammo to use? maybe there is some table for it? ( oure newby prove ) . I got 4 types of missiles, i tried to experiment with some types of ammo, but usually it is very small difference. Any more info on that guys?
thank you. |
Eternal Montage
Frontier Explorer's League Sadistica Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.29 19:19:00 -
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shadowhearth Eto wrote: So i got my alt missioning for ***** and giggles now. so far its a money pit, but it is a good lesson for me on how fitting ships, battle mechanics. My main is mining 24/7 like a responsible parent so alt can throw away money!
So i am doing level 3 missions so far in a Drake. I am using heavy missiles and i stuck with a small annoying problem. I dont have problems taking down other bigger ships, but small frigates are just pain in a hole... i am litterly flying around and killing big ships while having 2-3 damn frygs flying around like annoying flies. then it takes me ages to kill all of them by doing stupidly low damage. I was adviced to take target painter, but so far it does not help much at all. What would be the best way to deal with frigate rats?
other thing - ammo type. Any way i can actually see from a rat ship what sort of ammo to use? maybe there is some table for it? ( oure newby prove ) . I got 4 types of missiles, i tried to experiment with some types of ammo, but usually it is very small difference. Any more info on that guys?
thank you.
Use light drones on frigates. You're gonna need SOME drone skills in pretty much every ship. I suggest t2 light drones at least--even if you never plan on flying a drone boat. Also set your drones to hotkeys! I use alt+1,alt+2,3,4 etc. As for damage types: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Damage_types |
Aquavolt
Emerald Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.29 19:21:00 -
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I can't answer the ammo question without doing a bunch of research, but I can give you this much:
http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports
As for your little frigate problem, as far as I know, a Drake can control 5 light drones, I recommend using those light drones to swat those annoying frigates for you.
EDIT: Yeah, the above poster pretty much said it better than I did. |
LordPidey Adtur
Grizzly Bear Tree Fort
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Posted - 2012.10.29 19:25:00 -
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shadowhearth Eto wrote: So i got my alt missioning for ***** and giggles now. so far its a money pit, but it is a good lesson for me on how fitting ships, battle mechanics. My main is mining 24/7 like a responsible parent so alt can throw away money!
So i am doing level 3 missions so far in a Drake. I am using heavy missiles and i stuck with a small annoying problem. I dont have problems taking down other bigger ships, but small frigates are just pain in a hole... i am litterly flying around and killing big ships while having 2-3 damn frygs flying around like annoying flies. then it takes me ages to kill all of them by doing stupidly low damage. I was adviced to take target painter, but so far it does not help much at all. What would be the best way to deal with frigate rats?
other thing - ammo type. Any way i can actually see from a rat ship what sort of ammo to use? maybe there is some table for it? ( oure newby prove ) . I got 4 types of missiles, i tried to experiment with some types of ammo, but usually it is very small difference. Any more info on that guys?
thank you.
Medium sized weapons are designed for targets 125m and above. (excluding T2 missiles). Seeing as most mission frigates are 100m, if the frigate is standing still, you will deal 80% damage to it. The problem isn't from low signature, it's from the SPEED of the target. Try equipping a webifier instead of a target painter.
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shadowhearth Eto
5pm In Hades Hail the Hoff
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Posted - 2012.10.29 19:26:00 -
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aha, cheers lads. I got drones only level 4 and by training scout drones i only increase their range. i use hobgoblins I. Any advice on drones then?
as for damage type those two links were spot on, for what i was looking for. i will have a good read tonight. |
shadowhearth Eto
5pm In Hades Hail the Hoff
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Posted - 2012.10.29 19:29:00 -
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LordPidey Adtur wrote:shadowhearth Eto wrote: So i got my alt missioning for ***** and giggles now. so far its a money pit, but it is a good lesson for me on how fitting ships, battle mechanics. My main is mining 24/7 like a responsible parent so alt can throw away money!
So i am doing level 3 missions so far in a Drake. I am using heavy missiles and i stuck with a small annoying problem. I dont have problems taking down other bigger ships, but small frigates are just pain in a hole... i am litterly flying around and killing big ships while having 2-3 damn frygs flying around like annoying flies. then it takes me ages to kill all of them by doing stupidly low damage. I was adviced to take target painter, but so far it does not help much at all. What would be the best way to deal with frigate rats?
other thing - ammo type. Any way i can actually see from a rat ship what sort of ammo to use? maybe there is some table for it? ( oure newby prove ) . I got 4 types of missiles, i tried to experiment with some types of ammo, but usually it is very small difference. Any more info on that guys?
thank you. Medium sized weapons are designed for targets 125m and above. (excluding T2 missiles). Seeing as most mission frigates are 100m, if the frigate is standing still, you will deal 80% damage to it. The problem isn't from low signature, it's from the SPEED of the target. Try equipping a webifier instead of a target painter.
thats what i had in my mind next. in fact i jumped in to shutle and off to get it and skillbook for it. i see how it will work as target painter makes very little improvement. |
Aquavolt
Emerald Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.29 19:32:00 -
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http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Drone
Enjoy another good read.
The main things to be aware of are: If you do not have aggro on a NPC, and your drones are deployed, there is a chance that the NPC's will attack your drones instead of you, if this happens, retract your drones and redeploy them.
Tech 2 drones are mandatory for every pilot, they're definitely something you want to aim for.
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Eternal Montage
Frontier Explorer's League Sadistica Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.29 19:43:00 -
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Honestly, stasis web will offer an immediate solution but not a good one. An average web only reaches out to about 12 km, whereas your drake uses long range weaponry and probably reaches out to somewhere on the order of 60km if my memory serves me. Using a web in pve isn't really practical with MOST fits. SO I'd suggest getting t2 drones, at least get 5 drones, it's pretty much mandatory as every mission has frigates and for many ships, drones are the only defense against frigates. And frigates are the ones that get you killed with their nasty webs and scrams--you usually want to kill them first because not moving decreases your tankability in a lot of cases. |
Aquavolt
Emerald Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.29 19:47:00 -
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Eternal Montage wrote: And frigates are the ones that get you killed with their nasty webs and scrams--you usually want to kill them first because not moving decreases your tankability in a lot of cases.
Very true, but to clarify this statement a little, he doesn't mean waste your missiles on frigates, but they should definitely be a priority for your drones, in fact, the ONLY target your drones should be engaging are frigates. Use your heavy missiles on appropriate targets like cruisers and battlecruisers first.
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Eternal Montage
Frontier Explorer's League Sadistica Alliance
10
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Posted - 2012.10.29 19:50:00 -
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Aquavolt wrote:Eternal Montage wrote: And frigates are the ones that get you killed with their nasty webs and scrams--you usually want to kill them first because not moving decreases your tankability in a lot of cases. Very true, but to clarify this statement a little, he doesn't mean waste your missiles on frigates, but they should definitely be a priority for your drones, in fact, the ONLY target your drones should be engaging are frigates. Use your heavy missiles on appropriate targets like cruisers and battlecruisers first.
What he said... Though with turrets you can snipe frigates from a distance, I don't have enough experience with missiles to say if its possible or not. |
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Aquavolt
Emerald Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.29 19:53:00 -
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Eternal Montage wrote:Aquavolt wrote:Eternal Montage wrote: And frigates are the ones that get you killed with their nasty webs and scrams--you usually want to kill them first because not moving decreases your tankability in a lot of cases. Very true, but to clarify this statement a little, he doesn't mean waste your missiles on frigates, but they should definitely be a priority for your drones, in fact, the ONLY target your drones should be engaging are frigates. Use your heavy missiles on appropriate targets like cruisers and battlecruisers first. What he said... Though with turrets you can snipe frigates from a distance, I don't have enough experience with missiles to say if its possible or not.
It's not possible. That's one of the things turrets have over missiles, when I get a mission with a lot of frigates, I'll take my Proteus with 6x250mm Railgun II's over my Navy Scorpion. The railguns make quick work of incoming frigates a lot easier than missiles. |
Forest Archer
Capital Enrichment Services Transmission Lost
9
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Posted - 2012.10.29 19:56:00 -
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Also with your drake using t1 non faction missile they should be scourge for the ship bonus unless you have crappy missile skills in which case you will want to us missile that are the Npc weakness which you can find by simply googling eve Npc resists.
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Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
84
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Posted - 2012.10.29 21:16:00 -
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Also train heavy missle specialization and try fitting a missle implant effecting explosion radius it sounds like skill issue cause I fly my drake and knock out frigs with heavies no problem not as fast as I kill cruisers but they die but some rat frigs are just a pain period. TIP: when you mission against angels and get a geist liquidator kill it while its MORE that 45 km out once within 45 km it's a son of a biscuit eater to kill especially if using cruise missles but don't waste time with webbs and target painting I never needed it and just a waste of a slot for PVE. IMO. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1064
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Posted - 2012.10.29 21:21:00 -
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If you are in a kinetic missile damage bonused ship. you should use: * EM missiles on Rogue Drones, Sansha, Blood Raiders. * Kinetic on everything else.
For turrets, typically you want to carry at least 3 types of ammo: * short range * medium range * long range
Check the EVE-Survival:Mission Reports for info on what to expect in missions. |
Velarra
Ghost Festival Naraka.
122
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Posted - 2012.10.29 22:36:00 -
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A few responses have rightly mentioned drones. You may while using drones vs frigates (preferably Hobgoblin II's or Warrior II's) want to set them to Passive. Whether you're PVPing or PVEing passive drones will only attack the targets you want them to. You can set them to aggressive if you're being heavily influenced by ECM or various forms of ewar. |
shadowhearth Eto
5pm In Hades Hail the Hoff
12
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Posted - 2012.10.30 17:50:00 -
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sorry for not replying. Work and did not even had a chance to to play EVE today at all.
Looks like i will have to focus on training drones 5 asap. will still try out a web tonight, see how it will go.
cheers so far lads!
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