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Cajun Style
Shattered Planet
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Posted - 2012.11.01 18:30:00 -
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I'm amazed we've gotten this far in the thread without anyone bringing up the crucifier/sentinel. |
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CCP BunnyVirus
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.01 18:49:00 -
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Cajun Style wrote:I'm amazed we've gotten this far in the thread without anyone bringing up the crucifier/sentinel. Yes these ship are ugly and I know whats going to happen with them
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Bigpimping
Pimp Inc.
95
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Posted - 2012.11.01 18:56:00 -
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CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Cajun Style wrote:I'm amazed we've gotten this far in the thread without anyone bringing up the crucifier/sentinel. Yes these ship are ugly and I know whats going to happen with them
Not my space ice-axe :( |
Cajun Style
Shattered Planet
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:15:00 -
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CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Cajun Style wrote:I'm amazed we've gotten this far in the thread without anyone bringing up the crucifier/sentinel. Yes these ship are ugly and I know whats going to happen with them
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Morgan North
The Wild Bunch Electus Matari
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:20:00 -
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I actually like those... Horribly lopsided completly unflyable designs. |
Cajun Style
Shattered Planet
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:24:00 -
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Morgan North wrote:I actually like those... Horribly lopsided completly unflyable designs.
After flying the arazu/lachesis I can understand the idea behind their design far better, but they need a lot of work. the crifier/sentinel is sadly pretty hopeless imho. |
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers Intrepid Crossing
144
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Posted - 2012.11.01 19:33:00 -
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CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Cajun Style wrote:I'm amazed we've gotten this far in the thread without anyone bringing up the crucifier/sentinel. Yes these ship are ugly and I know whats going to happen with them
i have to say the sentinal never really felt amarrian in design compared to all the other amarr ships, it was very .... flimsy and felt more of a minnie design more than anything.
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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
72
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Posted - 2012.11.01 20:02:00 -
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CCP BunnyVirus wrote:Galphii wrote:The most noticeable thing for me was that they took the 'hull droop' out of the superstructure, as seen from the side. I expect this to happen to the mach at some point as well. I approve, in a general sort of way, but I still don't see why this took place over a fixed domi or celestis model We are going over the megathron because we wanted to have all tier 2 BS being redesigned in a row. I believe if we have the time for redesigning the ugly ones (domi, moa, all the old mining ships etc) for the next expansion, we will do just that.
Any chance of not redesigning the moa? How about bringing back the old scorpion model and cancelling the megathron change?
The current scorpion model is beyond ********. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4135
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Posted - 2012.11.01 21:23:00 -
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I saw the redesign for the Imicus, and my only hope is please do not leave the 'training' wheel wings on.
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m3talc0re X
Solar Revolutions Co.
101
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Posted - 2012.11.01 23:48:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:
Any chance of not redesigning the moa? How about bringing back the old scorpion model and cancelling the megathron change?
The current scorpion model is beyond ********.
Moa needs redesigned. It is just too bad off. It looks like a chicken being baked or something. I hate the ship. It makes me want to puke looking at it... I mean that literally. Trying to look at it and put some kind of logic to it, it makes me sick.
The new Megathron model is alright, but it does lose some of that organic feel it has right now. I think it's mostly the texture though, right now anyway.
As for the Scorpion, I agree. I never did like this new model. Before, the ship had character, now it's just too obvious. It's like, "oh look, it's a Scorpion, and it actually looks like a Scorpion. How quaint...". I think it would look much better with the one wing shape it used to have, just with the updated model and textures.
Also, while we're on the subject: BunnyVirus, could you please, for the love of God and all that is holy in the universe, PLEASE talk to someone and get that stupid Ishukone skin changed? Nobody likes it. I f'ing hate it. They used to have the awesome blue cammo, but it was removed because of the new Navy skins. But please, not that horrible gray/gold crap that is on there now. |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4135
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Posted - 2012.11.02 01:27:00 -
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if they redesign the moa I want it closer to the style the new tier 2 dessie picks up.
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CCP BunnyVirus
C C P C C P Alliance
8
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Posted - 2012.11.02 01:27:00 -
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sry i cant do anything about your issue with the ishukone skins 3D Artist |
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
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Posted - 2012.11.02 01:38:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:if they redesign the moa I want it closer to the style the new tier 2 dessie picks up. The ww2 inspiration was hit or miss. the gallente and caldari made it out awesome. the amarr and minmatar ehhhhh I like the giraffe look, the body as a whole could be improved, specially as a turret ship. Hope they could see to the gila being more unique as a missile drone ship. |
m3talc0re X
Mercs of Vengeance
103
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Posted - 2012.11.02 02:09:00 -
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CCP BunnyVirus wrote:sry i cant do anything about your issue with the ishukone skins
So who do we gotta talk to then? I guarantee you would be hard pressed to find anyone who likes it...
As for the new destroyers, I like the new Caldari one, the Gallente one is.. alright I guess. The Minmatar one is meh, at least it doesn't look like it would fall apart if one of the crew farted. The Amarr one, I dunno. It feels "fat" to me. It kinda reminds me of the Abaddon, honestly. I think it'll grow on me after a bit, just uneasy with it at first. |
Sarmatiko
785
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Posted - 2012.11.02 02:58:00 -
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m3talc0re X wrote: Moa needs redesigned. It is just too bad off. It looks like a chicken being baked or something. I hate the ship. It makes me want to puke looking at it... I mean that literally. Trying to look at it and put some kind of logic to it, it makes me sick.
Those who dislike Moa only fly Drake and Tengu anyway, so their sense of taste is somehow questionable.
Moa is not for everyone. It's simple: if you dont like it - fly any other ship you like, but dont ruin experience for those who like how this ship looks and how it fits in EVE universe. Personally I don't want to see how all ships in EVE will transform to Enterprise and Millennium Falcon clones, because majority decided that particular ship is "ugly". We don't need another Scorpion ruined with idea "lets do it symmetrical like um.. Scorpion!". Unique ships like old Scorpion, Moa, Blackbird, Tempest - are those ships that made me stay in EVE Online.
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Maximus Andendare
Estel Arador Corp Services
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Posted - 2012.11.02 03:27:00 -
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Sarmatiko wrote:m3talc0re X wrote: Moa needs redesigned. It is just too bad off. It looks like a chicken being baked or something. I hate the ship. It makes me want to puke looking at it... I mean that literally. Trying to look at it and put some kind of logic to it, it makes me sick.
Those who dislike Moa only fly Drake and Tengu anyway, so their sense of taste is somehow questionable. Moa is not for everyone. It's simple: if you dont like it - fly any other ship you like, but dont ruin experience for those who like how this ship looks and how it fits in EVE universe. Personally I don't want to see how all ships in EVE will transform to Enterprise and Millennium Falcon clones, because majority decided that particular ship is "ugly". We don't need another Scorpion ruined with idea "lets do it symmetrical like um.. Scorpion!". Unique ships like old Scorpion, Moa, Blackbird, Tempest - are those ships that made me stay in EVE Online. I'm sorry but new Scorpion looks WAY better than old Scorpion.
With your ship list there, it seems that you really favor the hulls that many others refer to as "ugly." I think the updated Tempest looks awesome. The Vargur even moreso. Moa doesn't bother me so much, but he blackbird looks asymmetrical and lopsided for asymmetry's sake. If something is asymmetrical because it has some sort of sense behind why it'd be that way "in the real world," then I think many more people can relate to, and even embrace the design.
And before you start arguing that Eve isn't "a real world," keep in mind that design and technology elements we can relate to come from our real world we experience every day going to work or watching TV. At the end of the day, the game designers need to create an environment and a universe we can relate to. That way, it's easier for us to suspend our disbelief and Eve becomes a place we can invest in and have fun doing it because it all makes sense.
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Roll Sizzle Beef
Space Mutiny
1480
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Posted - 2012.11.02 03:30:00 -
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m3talc0re X wrote: So who do we gotta talk to then? I guarantee you would be hard pressed to find anyone who likes it...
Maybe if it wasn't so plain like http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab303/Firetempest/gradientsample.jpg Its rather lifeless colors as it is. The angle for the transition from front to back does not work well either as the lighter color is to the rear, giving a reverse motion. If anything, the bow should be the "hot" or bright point of the scheme. Keeping the earthy sand "gold" with another monotone color like grey, the gradient should be horizontal. Possibly mirrored, so the same color is top and bottom with the profile of the ship outlined in the second color. |
m3talc0re X
Mercs of Vengeance
103
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Posted - 2012.11.02 05:16:00 -
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Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:m3talc0re X wrote: So who do we gotta talk to then? I guarantee you would be hard pressed to find anyone who likes it...
Maybe if it wasn't so plain like http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab303/Firetempest/gradientsample.jpgIts rather lifeless colors as it is. The angle for the transition from front to back does not work well either as the lighter color is to the rear, giving a reverse motion. If anything, the bow should be the "hot" or bright point of the scheme. Keeping the earthy sand "gold" with another monotone color like grey, the gradient should be horizontal. Possibly mirrored, so the same color is top and bottom with the profile of the ship outlined in the second color.
Having something like that with the gold would do wonders for it. And that's another thing that bothers me so much with it, it going from back to front like that. It was a HORRIBLE design decision by someone...
Also, the Moa looks like ass. Plain and simple. It's assymetrical for the sake of being assymetrical and it looks like crap. Like the entire body of the ship deforms in the back to merge into the two long, trailing engines in the back. Or how the whole ship is cocked upward while those engines are "level" with their direction. The whole thing just looks like a bad acid trip.
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Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
177
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Posted - 2012.11.02 06:21:00 -
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Maximus Andendare wrote: I'm sorry but new Scorpion looks WAY better than old Scorpion.
With your ship list there, it seems that you really favor the hulls that many others refer to as "ugly." I think the updated Tempest looks awesome. The Vargur even moreso. Moa doesn't bother me so much, but he blackbird looks asymmetrical and lopsided for asymmetry's sake. If something is asymmetrical because it has some sort of sense behind why it'd be that way "in the real world," then I think many more people can relate to, and even embrace the design.
And before you start arguing that Eve isn't "a real world," keep in mind that design and technology elements we can relate to come from our real world we experience every day going to work or watching TV. At the end of the day, the game designers need to create an environment and a universe we can relate to. That way, it's easier for us to suspend our disbelief and Eve becomes a place we can invest in and have fun doing it because it all makes sense.
Yeah i really hate these masochistic people that claim the moa "looks nice". These people are clearly lying to their selves. Lay off the mindflood. |
Luc Chastot
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2012.11.02 08:36:00 -
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Radgette wrote:Logan LaMort wrote:Harvey James wrote:why cant that atron just have the same sized wings? why does everything have to be wonky?!!!!! Because EVE is a mix of designs styles, with regards to symmetry and asymmetry, half of the ships in EVE belong in one group and the other half in the other. Gallente ships, like the Atron are beautiful. I've always been fascinated with the idea that Gallente ships were grown rather than manufactured, with biomechanical engineering at its finest, second to the Jove (Think the Navigators from Alien, or any of Giger's designs). The odd, organic and sometimes asymmetrical shapes really stand out from the other races and that's what makes them so damn cool, as long as the ship looks functional, excess or one sided wingy bits are a nice design feature. this completely symmetry is boring and bland, asymmetry is much more interesting and organic. stop letting graphic designers make ships and get some artists to do it :P
In fact, nature is symmetrical, thus symmetry is "organic". Symmetry comes in many forms, not just linear. Good examples are flowers, which have rotational symmetry, or DNA and its helical symmetry.
Being more attracted to something asymmetrical is very interesting, psychologically speaking, as we are prone to find it less pleasant than its opposite. Make it idiot-proof and someone will make a better idiot. |
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Jerick Ludhowe
The Nyan Cat Pirates Nyanpire
188
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Posted - 2012.11.02 12:39:00 -
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Luc Chastot wrote:
In fact, nature is symmetrica
Very very false
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Morgan North
The Wild Bunch Electus Matari
91
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Posted - 2012.11.02 12:56:00 -
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Nature isn't completly 100% symetrical (It cant be since its not perfect). In general there is a slight, very slight or even hardly noticeable assymetry present, but in general, the larger the organism, the most likely it is to be almost purely symetrical in terms of mass distribution. Which due to hw inertia works, means its also near geometrically symetrical.
But I've already explained why ships sould be mostly symetrical.
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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
80
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Posted - 2012.11.02 13:31:00 -
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If you like the new scorpion, your opinions are invalid and should be disregarded as wrong. |
Logan LaMort
Black Rebel Rifter Club
1274
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Posted - 2012.11.02 13:37:00 -
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Morgan North wrote:Nature isn't completly 100% symetrical (It cant be since its not perfect). In general there is a slight, very slight or even hardly noticeable assymetry present, but in general, the larger the organism, the most likely it is to be almost purely symetrical in terms of mass distribution. Which due to hw inertia works, means its also near geometrically symetrical.
But I've already explained why ships sould be mostly symetrical.
In terms of mass distribution, yeah that has to be balanced, but your last statement confuses me. I mean just take a look at a human male, on the surface we look fairly symmetrical, apart from the ********* which are asymmetrical for functionality. But inside, our organs are anything but symmetrical in design, they're just balanced in terms of mass, but that doesn't make them geometrically symmetrical.
I see ship design in a similar way, as long as the mass is distributed evenly, the ship can be any shape or size and completely asymmetrical since there's no drag in space, it's all about the mass... and even then with the gravity manipulation technology present in New Eden, that's not such a huge deal either. |
Jerick Ludhowe
The Nyan Cat Pirates Nyanpire
188
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Posted - 2012.11.02 14:02:00 -
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TrouserDeagle wrote:If you like the new scorpion, your opinions are invalid and should be disregarded as wrong.
Making a ship intentionally look like the animal it's named after is amazingly cheesy. That being said, the new scorp is easily my most hated model.
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Aglais
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
152
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Posted - 2012.11.02 14:14:00 -
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Jerick Ludhowe wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:If you like the new scorpion, your opinions are invalid and should be disregarded as wrong. Making a ship intentionally look like the animal it's named after is amazingly cheesy. That being said, the new scorp is easily my most hated model.
It looked like a broken half-scorpion before, do remember. It's not like it's looked like anything else. |
Spugg Galdon
APOCALYPSE LEGION
237
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Posted - 2012.11.02 14:33:00 -
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I don't understand why people are complaining about the new Megathron when the Proteus in all it's variations is fugly can be. I'd love the Proteus to get a remodel to look balanced and not like a hand held vacuum cleaner. |
m3talc0re X
Mercs of Vengeance
103
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Posted - 2012.11.02 15:08:00 -
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Some asymmetrical ships aren't bad. The didn't like the old Scorpion model, but it grew on me. Same with the Tempest and many other ships. But there are some that are just too damn ugly, the Moa being one of them.
Quote:Those who dislike Moa only fly Drake and Tengu anyway, so their sense of taste is somehow questionable. I fly the Drake and Tengu, but I've also flown the Moa. Moa looks more like one of the funk of the ewar ships. It doesn't fit as a gun boat. Merlin > Cormorant > Moa > Ferox > Rokh; it doesn't fit.
Also, yeah, the Proteus is ugly as hell. I can fly one, but I wont fly one... |
Jerick Ludhowe
The Nyan Cat Pirates Nyanpire
188
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Posted - 2012.11.02 15:12:00 -
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Aglais wrote:Jerick Ludhowe wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:If you like the new scorpion, your opinions are invalid and should be disregarded as wrong. Making a ship intentionally look like the animal it's named after is amazingly cheesy. That being said, the new scorp is easily my most hated model. It looked like a broken half-scorpion before, do remember. It's not like it's looked like anything else.
Correct, it went from a **** model, to a moldy crusty **** model.
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Vincent Gaines
257
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Posted - 2012.11.02 15:26:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:if they redesign the moa I want it closer to the style the new tier 2 dessie picks up.
It should keep it's somewhat-vertical appeal, however. |
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