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Edward Winter
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.31 19:00:00 -
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Why is there no possiblity for players to join the Hi Sec police force? People seem to want to blow stuff up and if there was a way to become part of Concord then it might happen more often. Like maybe you have to have certain skills at a certain level to join and if you blow something up without official Concord reason then you get Concorded yourself. If you join Concord then you get an alert that someone has done something wrong and you get the authorization to open fire on him, and if the transgression was done say at a different belt then you are at you get an alert and a "warp to" to get to the scene. Maybe too you can get rewarded a Police ship that would not be allowed into low and null and it has high tank on it but if used wrongly just once gets blown up by the NPC Concord. you could be flying that ship while you are "on duty" and fly your regular ship when you are off duty.
Somehting like this would be pretty good gameplay , no? I think so , but I just started so likely I have no idea what i'm talking about LOL |
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ISD Athechu
ISD STAR
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Posted - 2012.10.31 19:07:00 -
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I like the idea but I totally see this being abused quickly by other pilots which in turn will cause a lot of problems in the end.
The new Bounty system/Kill Rights system should also answer a lot of these ideas too.
http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73446 ISD Athechu Commander ISD STAR (Support Training and Resources) EVE New Citizens Q&A Resources |
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.10.31 19:09:00 -
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Sir, you speak craziness "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Peri Simone
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2012.11.01 01:18:00 -
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I like this idea and support it wholeheartedly in spite/because of the potential for hilarious abuse. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.11.01 01:40:00 -
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The mechanics already allow for you to "enforce" the law. If someone suicide ganks, they go GCC (Global Criminal Countdown) and can be shot at by anyone. People who go GCC one too many times become "outlaws" (see: have -5.0 security status) and can also be shot at by anyone, anywhere, anytime. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Jesuis Cache-Cache
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Posted - 2012.11.01 01:51:00 -
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Unless the player - turned - cop was right there when it happened, they would arrive to an...empty wreck or just a frozen corpse, as the case may be. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning."
~ Rich Cook |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.11.01 01:56:00 -
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Jesuis Cache-Cache wrote:Unless the player - turned - cop was right there when it happened, they would arrive to an...empty wreck or just a frozen corpse, as the case may be.
Then we start a new series... CSI: New Eden
*Edit: oooh, better idea! CSI: Divinity's Edge! "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Jesuis Cache-Cache
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Posted - 2012.11.01 01:59:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Then we start a new series... CSI: New Eden *Edit: oooh, better idea! CSI: Divinity's Edge! I like divinity.
Especially if it's...bacon flavored.
EDIT : And this concludes my daily allowed, single post of bacon....I mean Spam. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning."
~ Rich Cook |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3342
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Posted - 2012.11.01 03:41:00 -
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Jesuis Cache-Cache wrote:Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:Then we start a new series... CSI: New Eden *Edit: oooh, better idea! CSI: Divinity's Edge! I like divinity. Especially if it's...bacon flavored. EDIT : And this concludes my daily allowed, single post of bacon....I mean Spam.
Spam is spiced ham, get it right "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
Tasage Tivuri
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.01 03:45:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:The mechanics already allow for you to "enforce" the law. If someone suicide ganks, they go GCC (Global Criminal Countdown) and can be shot at by anyone. People who go GCC one too many times become "outlaws" (see: have -5.0 security status) and can also be shot at by anyone, anywhere, anytime. I think what the OP suggested is to facilitate a more formal role-playing experience for those who want to be part of the long arm of the law rather than a random vigilante or militia with no ties to CONCORD.
The benefits I see for players to join the CONCORD law enforcement forces is that one could easily be recognized and perhaps more trusted by other law-abiding players who are otherwise total strangers simply because you are part of CONCORD. Conversely, pirates and the lawless may see and treat you differently simply because you represent what is to them an antithesis.
As a CONCORD law enforcement pilot, you could receive rewards for doing your job, maybe exclusive modules, ships, ammunition, etc.
If it's implemented, it would be interesting to see it as a social experiment that replicates on some levels the crime and law enforcement in the real world, with both sides of the equation being played out by the players. Right now, the official law enforcement in EVE are entirely composed of AI-driven NPCs and they are only effective against player pirates and criminals because they respond in overwhelming numbers and firepower, much like the insta-whack guards in old school Ultima Online. |
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
1081
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Posted - 2012.11.01 04:17:00 -
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Watch all the criminals and pirates grind up their security status and be the first to join a formal police force.... then scam all the gullible players who think they can be trusted. Or look the other way as the "normal" players die to pirates (bribes anyone?). Or even participate in skudgy activities themselves.
And criminals and pirates don't see the police as their "antithesis" as you so eloquently put it. They instead see the PoPo as something to either corrupt (as I mentioned before), find a workaround, or outright destroy. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective. |
Tasage Tivuri
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.11.01 04:31:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Watch all the criminals and pirates grind up their security status and be the first to join a formal police force.... then scam all the gullible players who think they can be trusted. Or look the other way as the "normal" players die to pirates (bribes anyone?). Or even participate in skudgy activities themselves.
And criminals and pirates don't see the police as their "antithesis" as you so eloquently put it. They instead see the PoPo as something to either corrupt (as I mentioned before), find a workaround, or outright destroy. Then there needs to be mechanisms in place to enforce the law enforcement players themselves, such that they cannot or, at the very least, risk high penalties if they abuse their powers.
For instance, if there is a crime detected then CONCORD players have x number of seconds to respond and if they repeatedly fail to do so then they would lose the badge. If they commit acts contrary to CONCORD procedures the same results would apply after repeated offences.
Also, I did say pirates and criminals may see CONCORD players differently, but not necessarily in the positive sense.
CONCORD players would be but an extension of the CONCORD npc ships currently in effect and not a substitute. |
Max Godsnottlingson
Bitter Veterans
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Posted - 2012.11.01 09:45:00 -
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Edward Winter wrote:Why is there no possiblity for players to join the Hi Sec police force? People seem to want to blow stuff up and if there was a way to become part of Concord then it might happen more often. Like maybe you have to have certain skills at a certain level to join and if you blow something up without official Concord reason then you get Concorded yourself. If you join Concord then you get an alert that someone has done something wrong and you get the authorization to open fire on him, and if the transgression was done say at a different belt then you are at you get an alert and a "warp to" to get to the scene. Maybe too you can get rewarded a Police ship that would not be allowed into low and null and it has high tank on it but if used wrongly just once gets blown up by the NPC Concord. you could be flying that ship while you are "on duty" and fly your regular ship when you are off duty. Somehting like this would be pretty good gameplay , no? I think so , but I just started so likely I have no idea what i'm talking about LOL HA! I just saw a thread just liek this one on the General forum! LOL I guess it a good idea! (But it got more details to it.)
People have forgotten that you could originally join Concord as an NPC Corp by doing missions for them. Unfortunatly, while there was no exploit in effect, it did unballence the game as people could get standing back too fast by doing so after killing players in Empire.
As a result, Concord does not trust pod pilots enough to have anything to do with us, well, that is anything to do with us that does not involve us looking down the business end of their weapon systems.
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
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Posted - 2012.11.01 13:25:00 -
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You can do police work in high sec without joining Concord. Learn their tactics and use entrapment to arrest mission looters and turn the tables on them. Fit a pure bump ship and look for big numbers of alpha ships near trade hubs...when they go for a freighter gank start bumping it out of range or back to the gate to maybe save it. That's a few ways, but I'm with you, they should remove concord and replace it with a player police faction backed by NPCs that are not as powerful as concord.
Another way is to make a sacrificial lamb character and send him in cheap ships around low sec. Use a cheap hauler for the best results. This character only needs enough skillpoints to fly a basic mission/mining gank fit for combat. Any high sec part timers will give you the killrights you need to stalk and kill them in their pimp (whatever) when they least expect it. Some targets will still require a friend with better skills to repair you while attacking him or maybe a bump ship to keep a freighter from escaping ...scan skills or a buddy to find them in their lvl 4 missions afking is also a good thing.
The new flagging mechanics coming with retribution will open some doors but I would suggest having a very good understanding of how they are going to work before you commit to a suspect hunt. Bounties on characters with good security status (better than -5) will also be a tough one in high because in order to shoot them you need to be in a war with them, suicide gank or have killrights. War declarations are a tricky thing at the moment because of the danger to the attackers being trapped in a permanent war so bounties in high will be limited to only a few tactics. Killrights will still probably be the way to go for now and selling/transferring them will buff the sacrificial lamb tactic. |
Gussarde en Welle
Fruidian Logic The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2012.11.02 01:44:00 -
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Edward Winter wrote:Why is there no possiblity for players to join the Hi Sec police force? People seem to want to blow stuff up and if there was a way to become part of Concord then it might happen more often. Like maybe you have to have certain skills at a certain level to join and if you blow something up without official Concord reason then you get Concorded yourself. If you join Concord then you get an alert that someone has done something wrong and you get the authorization to open fire on him, and if the transgression was done say at a different belt then you are at you get an alert and a "warp to" to get to the scene. Maybe too you can get rewarded a Police ship that would not be allowed into low and null and it has high tank on it but if used wrongly just once gets blown up by the NPC Concord. you could be flying that ship while you are "on duty" and fly your regular ship when you are off duty. Somehting like this would be pretty good gameplay , no? I think so , but I just started so likely I have no idea what i'm talking about LOL HA! I just saw a thread just liek this one on the General forum! LOL I guess it a good idea! (But it got more details to it.)
Edward:
I am working on developing a security concepts corporation that will enforce a strict set of ethics and laws and will also take security contracts.
Add me as a contact and train your character heavily for combat + social skills. It might be good to study PvP with another corp (maybe the Goons we'll soon be killing) for a few months or get into faction warfare (be prepared to lose ships if you do). When you reach 5m skill points and can fly a fully fit T1 battlecruiser, let me know.
Anyone else reading this thread interested in playing characters employed as private and ethical police sometime after Retribution, please contact me. |
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