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Zarnak Wulf
Imperial Outlaws
685
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Posted - 2012.11.02 01:36:00 -
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Yes, but does Hans no the riddle of steel? Crom will cast him out of Vallhalla if he doesn't. |
subtle turtle
Imperial Outlaws
67
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Posted - 2012.11.02 03:59:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:Hans,
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Popsicle?
Oooooooooo!
Is this a "ask Hans anything" thread?
If so, Hans, when cuddling, do you prefer to be the big spoon or the little spoon? |
Zarnak Wulf
Imperial Outlaws
696
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Posted - 2012.11.02 04:08:00 -
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subtle turtle wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:Hans,
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Popsicle? Oooooooooo! Is this a "ask Hans anything" thread? If so, Hans, when cuddling, do you prefer to be the big spoon or the little spoon?
That's an easy one! He likes to be the little spoon. . . . . . okay, I'll be leaving now.... |
Dan Carter Murray
179
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Posted - 2012.11.02 10:14:00 -
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So... ARETR had no alts in winmatar militia because we were trying to fight to take our space back. Then we noticed how so many "loyal" amarr had alts and said go **** yourself and joined caldari. We were able to keep our ships coming in so we could keep fighting because yes the winmatar elite pvp skills with perfectly balanced gameplay crushed any chance of anyone in amarr having an income.
Why does everyone act surprised that the winmatar csm finger bangs a certain alliance mate to get more terrible ideas that benefits their side only?
Hopefully next csm is amarr and the **** train of vengeance can begin.
Oh and next csm needs to tell more people to get ****** when it comes to bad ideas and they need to be much less professional...this professionalism the current csm tries to ooze is obnoxious.
I like telling people to get ******...and I'm rude.
Just saying.
To the ****** that said amarr fail at pvp : you're ******* ********. Undock in something other than an sfi/bb blob but until then...blow me.
Oh...and one more thing...it's been emotional. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
617
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Posted - 2012.11.02 11:10:00 -
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when both sides, winners and losers, both complain that a system doesnt work or is not living upto promises made, it doesnt work.
Amarr said "hey this is gunna land slide one way" while not getting paid much for their efforts against hordes of minmatar. everyone was ok with it
Minm are complaining they dont have many pvp targets or gangs to shoot, dont get paid much either because they have so few systems to plex.
kinda irrelevant who says what or how they say it, just that they take the time to try and help the system as a whole.
throwing the poop at each other personally (including CSM hans) its just slowing down an otherwise constructive process.
We knew inferno was not going to work, we all said it time and time again BEFORE the damned expansion. We are all still here and we all still care about a game play choice we pay our subs to enjoy.
Hans isnt such a terrible guy, sure he could do more especially with terms of fair and open feedback from CSM meetings, hes trying to sift through alot of great ideas alot of bad ideas and alot of, well, poop and insults. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
3289
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Posted - 2012.11.02 15:23:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:Hans,
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Popsicle?
You're doing it wrong. Melt it with lazers.
subtle turtle wrote:Is this a "ask Hans anything" thread?
No. It's Cearain asking stuff he's asked 1000 times before, questions that have been answered, and that he will keep asking until the mechanics match up with his exact specifications. He is clearly incapable of understanding that sometimes CCP takes ideas and implements their own version of them despite all player protest, CSM or otherwise, and incapable of steering his anger towards the people in his own faction that promoted the iterations coming in December. His (and Poetic's) outrageously rude and childish behavior towards Susan and myself, paired with a refusal to acknowledge all the other bloggers (including Amarrians) that shared the same views as her stands as irrefutable evidence of their own personal bias, not mine.
subtle turtle wrote:when cuddling, do you prefer to be the big spoon or the little spoon?
I prefer to be a fork. It's better for stabbing people in the back in my endless quest for power, fame, and glory. Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Abyssum Invocat
Justified Chaos
25
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Posted - 2012.11.02 16:10:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Zarnak Wulf wrote:Hans,
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Popsicle? You're doing it wrong. Melt it with lazers. subtle turtle wrote:Is this a "ask Hans anything" thread? No. It's Cearain asking stuff he's asked 1000 times before, questions that have been answered, and that he will keep asking until the mechanics match up with his exact specifications. He is clearly incapable of understanding that sometimes CCP takes ideas and implements their own version of them despite all player protest, CSM or otherwise, and incapable of steering his anger towards the people in his own faction that promoted the iterations coming in December. His (and Poetic's) outrageously rude and childish behavior towards Susan and myself, paired with a refusal to acknowledge all the other bloggers (including Amarrians) that shared the same views as her stands as irrefutable evidence of their own personal bias, not mine. subtle turtle wrote:when cuddling, do you prefer to be the big spoon or the little spoon? I prefer to be a fork. It's better for stabbing people in the back in my endless quest for power, fame, and glory. Now all we need is for Cearain to whine a bit more and a couple more people to insult him and we can end this terrible, terrible thread. Then we get to start all over again tomorrow. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
635
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:08:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:subtle turtle wrote:Is this a "ask Hans anything" thread? No. It's Cearain asking stuff he's asked 1000 times before, questions that have been answered, and that he will keep asking until the mechanics match up with his exact specifications. He is clearly incapable of understanding that sometimes CCP takes ideas and implements their own version of them despite all player protest, CSM or otherwise, ...
Except for the fact that I was not asking you about what ccp said or did. I was asking you about your own statements. So arguing ccp doesn't listen to you doesn't really apply here.
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: ...and incapable of steering his anger towards the people in his own faction that promoted the iterations coming in December. His (and Poetic's) outrageously rude and childish behavior towards Susan and myself, paired with a refusal to acknowledge all the other bloggers (including Amarrians) that shared the same views as her stands as irrefutable evidence of their own personal bias, not mine...
Hans I really don't care if can dig up someone from fweddit who was in faction war for a month and agreed with this idea or that idea. I am asking how you came to to the conclusions I quoted.
You and susan have been quite rude and childish toward myself and others who disagree with you. Her blog has even been characterized as a "troll" blog by many in minmatar whose opinions we both respect. So please don't try to claim that the conversation taking the tone it currently has, is all my doing.
I would invite anyone who would like to know how the tone of the discussion got to where it is to feel free to read her blogs and comments since inferno. They can start with the one where she has a big picture of a crying baby to represent the amarr who expressed dissatisfaction with inferno. And probably me in particular I don't know.
I don't mind that she does that. I chuckled at the baby pictures both sides were posting. But really calling the other side a crybaby isn't going to be very constructive is it? I and others have responded saying essentially calling you and susan a cry baby. So how is that working out?
Hans the statements I quoted from you are what you really said. If you still believe them I think people interested in faction war should know that. If your views have changed let us know that too. The questions are still sitting there numbered for easy reference. You can either complain that they are "unfair" or the "tone" was wrong. You can insist that only softball questions be asked of you in a very subservient tone, or you can fill us in on what you are thinking/doing. It's up to you.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
583
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:22:00 -
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These are long winded whines from somebody who hasn't logged in for a month. Give it a rest. Log in, play the game for a week, and then come back and whine, err... give an honest assessment of what you have experienced, OK? |
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly
232
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Posted - 2012.11.02 17:32:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:These are long winded whines from somebody who hasn't logged in for a month. Give it a rest. Log in, play the game for a week, and then come back and whine, err... give an honest assessment of what you have experienced, OK?
On that note, I finally did that last night between WoT games in some of my favourite ships (condor/arbitrator).
Went roaming around, blew people up. Was fun. Everyone can easily fly around in cheap ships and keep the ISK flowing in with plexing while baiting for pvp.
I am really looking forward to the new NPC's on Dec 4 that don't hit as hard so that plexes will be more amenable to solo pvp without one side taking a beating from rats.
Just wanted to say, in all of this hate for Hans thread - I like the direction CCP is taking with FW. It's gotten better, the upcoming changes are making it better. I don't know how much of this is due to Hans, or just CCP, but I like it regardless. It's moving towards the utopia I envision where both side can fly around, do fw things while blowing each other up and still have plenty of ISK to reship and go at it without any dedicated carebearing required.
Everyone in only pvp ships always blowing each other up, with no-one unable to make enough ISK to do it as their full time activity! |
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Taoist Dragon
Forced Penetration
70
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Posted - 2012.11.02 20:06:00 -
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I didn't come back to FW for inferno as I understood what some of the problems would be from it's inception.
As soon as I learned about the patches to it I came back.
It is much better now than pre-inferno.
In game I'm glad to see that a lot of the smack and BS is dropping off however the forum chest beating and butt hurt is geting really old and just plain sad now tbh.
Give it up guys this just make you look like 12 year olds.
Play the game, make it what you will and give objective, constructive ideas and stop the whines and personal insults......
OR
if it really bothers you THAT much, send me all yer stuff and unsub we will all be better off for it. That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
I'm NOT a Pirate! I'm a privateer! |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
635
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Posted - 2012.11.02 23:41:00 -
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This thread is not about everyones general feelings of whether they like pre inferno, inferno, or post inferno faction war.
Its about Han's specific statements regarding economic balance, whether inferno punished the winners so much that the rules really had to be changed, and whether we should care at all if it is economically foolish to play for the losing side.
Hans is the one who is talking with ccp about this game and it seems ccp is listening to him. (although he may deny it - I really don't know what his point is above.) We are likely to get stuck with whatever he is telling them for a long long time.
I won't be pedantic and repeat the questions I asked in the op, but if your gonna post here at least try to make it address the statements and or follow up questions I raised in the op. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Zarnak Wulf
Imperial Outlaws
696
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Posted - 2012.11.03 00:05:00 -
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I have some questions and I want them answered immediately. Who is your daddy? And what does he do? |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
635
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Posted - 2012.11.03 01:41:00 -
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Zarnak Wulf wrote:I have some questions and I want them answered immediately. Who is your daddy? And what does he do?
Don't you have some systems to get ready for the minmitar to farm? If you keep wasting time here they will need to use their own alts.
I don't presume anyone has to answer anything I post, let alone "immediately." I am just asking that the thread not get derailed with worthless posts like yours. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Taoist Dragon
Forced Penetration
70
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Posted - 2012.11.03 01:50:00 -
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The economic effects of FW is a huge subject and would be very interesting IF I was so inclined.
The OP however came across as very much a whine about a specific person and the difference of his views/stated comments to your own. The manner in which it was delivered was not of a question asking for contructive feedback or simple explanation.
If you have legitimate questions to ask of him then setup a private meeting to discuss them. Hopefully you will come out of it with better understanding of what is happening. you may or may not agree with it however.
Coming on the forums and ranting about it doe not give any incentive for thoughtful reply, especially if it a question that has been asked time and again with some slight word changes.
You are obviously a smart bod and I think I get what you are trying to ask however the manner is which it is projected is pushing these types of post into the 'whine' category for me. Sorry.
Having said that I'm pretty far removed from caring about the meta game so I may have completely the wrong end of the stick. All I can say is that I can support my explosion habit in the current iteration of FW. if the minnies get 2x my LP woopdef'kingdoo for them. For someone who is all about making FW pvp you certaily whine about the isk making a fair bit.
Just go out and shoot people.......me included if you'd like That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
I'm NOT a Pirate! I'm a privateer! |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
635
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Posted - 2012.11.03 02:18:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote:The economic effects of FW is a huge subject and would be very interesting IF I was so inclined.
The OP however came across as very much a whine about a specific person and the difference of his views/stated comments to your own. The manner in which it was delivered was not of a question asking for contructive feedback or simple explanation.
If you have legitimate questions to ask of him then setup a private meeting to discuss them. Hopefully you will come out of it with better understanding of what is happening. you may or may not agree with it however.
That particular person is the one who has ccps ear. So while it might be nice for us all to express our views here its really only his view that matters.
I think this issue is important for faction war.
I have talked with hans privately. But I am sorry to say I have come to doubt that what he says in private will match what he says to ccp or in public.
So I am no longer interested in what he has to say "privately." From now on I only look at what he says in public.
Of course I can't make him answer these questions. People can make whatever they want out of it. They can, like you, say well I didn't ask the questions the right way. Or whatever, people can and should draw their own conclusions.
I just want to hightlight what he is pushing to ccp as the "players representative."
As far as shooting you, I don't shoot blues. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Taoist Dragon
Forced Penetration
70
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Posted - 2012.11.03 03:06:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Taoist Dragon wrote:The economic effects of FW is a huge subject and would be very interesting IF I was so inclined.
The OP however came across as very much a whine about a specific person and the difference of his views/stated comments to your own. The manner in which it was delivered was not of a question asking for contructive feedback or simple explanation.
If you have legitimate questions to ask of him then setup a private meeting to discuss them. Hopefully you will come out of it with better understanding of what is happening. you may or may not agree with it however.
That particular person is the one who has ccps ear. So while it might be nice for us all to express our views here its really only his view that matters. I think this issue is important for faction war. I have talked with hans privately. But I am sorry to say I have come to doubt that what he says in private will match what he says to ccp or in public. So I am no longer interested in what he has to say "privately." From now on I only look at what he says in public. Of course I can't make him answer these questions. People can make whatever they want out of it. They can, like you, say well I didn't ask the questions the right way. Or whatever, people can and should draw their own conclusions. I just want to hightlight what he is pushing to ccp as the "players representative." As far as shooting you, I don't shoot blues.
No worries mate I keep from shooting blues as well now
For the most part I'm just not up to speed on what everyone is saying to whom and tbh I don't want to be. I am interested in FW and how it develops and will voice my opinions to any who ask for them and a lot who don't as well.
I'm certainly not up to speed on the current FW meta (especially since the recent 'fix') But on the whole I do thing inferno is what FW needed. It just needs to be tweaked now.
The one thing I just don't get in FW is the amount of Forum warrioring going on and thats probably what coloured my view of your OP. I just don't get it?!
As for him being the only one with ccps ear......not sure on that hi may have first shout in that ear but ccp listen to the playerbase to a certain extent. Afterall they need to ensure that their product is best for all not particualy the whiners and complainers but this sometimes gets drowned out by the noise if you get me.
edit:
I'm ex military so i have a natural distrust of anything resembling politics adn the whole CSM is politics in space so Idon't trust any of them at all! (in the nicest way of course!) I just deal with the hand that is given to me and voice my concerns to the higher ups so to speak. That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
I'm NOT a Pirate! I'm a privateer! |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
635
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Posted - 2012.11.03 05:06:00 -
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Taoist Dragon wrote: The one thing I just don't get in FW is the amount of Forum warrioring going on and thats probably what coloured my view of your OP. I just don't get it?!.
I read and post on the forums about eve and faction war allot. There are a few of us who do - Ill spare them from being called out. I'm not sure I get why I do it either. I just like the concept of eve, gaming generally, and I like talking about eve about as much as I like playing it.
Perhaps it's odd, but who knows why people like what they do? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Zarnak Wulf
Imperial Outlaws
696
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Posted - 2012.11.03 14:23:00 -
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Hans,
Do you have six fingers on your right hand? |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
282
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Posted - 2012.11.04 04:47:00 -
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Some people want to be CSM so they lick every ones ass if targets seems to be possible + vote.
If target disagree CSM may smack some to get more votes from stupid people.
So if CSM member changes his mind on every post it is not wonder, CSM usually does not think anything, CSM just repeats ideas his voters said. |
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Lord Garrus
Talocan Vanguard Talocan United
2706
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Posted - 2012.11.06 15:14:00 -
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Who the is this Hans? |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Swift Angels Alliance
504
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Posted - 2012.11.07 01:09:00 -
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"This thread is not about everyones general feelings of whether they like pre inferno, inferno, or post inferno faction war."
It is about Cearain's personal anti-bromance with Hans, and it started with a bunch of tiring drivel related to pre-Inferno.
Well, here's the thing. It's now post-Inferno and post-post-Inferno-pre-Retribution. ie; we got the fast-tracked Retribution changes because CCP did what CCP did, and it sucked donkey *******.
Cearain, you need to devote your time and efforts not so much to hating on Hans and his record as CSM. He will be judged successful or not via quasi-democratic elections for the next CSM, which you should run for if you beleive your cause righteous, your logic impeccable and ability to trash-quote unrivalled. With this unholy trinity of awesome, and your engaging personality, I am sure you would make a most exemplary CSM delegate representing the fractious views of FW people and their trolling forum alts.
However, that aside, you should build a bridge and get over it. Here's why.
Number one, being paid for def plexing has happened. You talk of an endless amount of ISK sloughing into Minmatar, but Minmatar has had sov over Metro, but almost all of Metro has been perma-vulnerable and so deeply red for so long it was basically a cranberry farm for Amarr. Sure, the yield per LP has been better in the past for Minmatar due to warzone dominance and a mass of alts owned by everyone from outside FW (WH friends and nullbear friends of mine ran 1-3 alts each to farm ISK) who clubbed together with the old mechanic and pushed tier 5's to get ridiculous cashouts.
But that is gone. In its place, minnie alt cloud gets to eke out an unprofitable existence defplexing all the sov in Metro which it wons for dominance. Maybe it will all get defplexed to safety, but that will be because of the actual FW people not the masses of alts in Minmatar, due to the diminishing ISK/hr of defplexing a safe system. Eg, SEFEM has a set of systems we defplexed before the patch for absolutely no reward, to play the so game - like you.
Your frustration with sov mechanics would be rooted more in the fact that Amarr was happy to keep Metro deep vulnerable as a farm, versus manning up and flipping the systems. If you are so high and mighty about all this, you cannot resile from the history of Metro being so much of an amarr/caldari farm for so long versus actually flipping sov .
Which brings me to the next point; diagonal plexing. In almost all senses Minnie alts went to Caldari space to offensively plex at the Caldari, who dominated their space at the expense of the Gallente. If they had gone to plex in the 2-6 Amarr systems they would have been so badly frustrated if not ganked they would not have made the ISK they did. Similarly, as I used to waste a hell of a lot of time in between Fweddit blobs chasing people out of the Metro cornfields, most were Caldari militia plexing alts. This reality refutes most of your loaded questioning - yes Minnie was full of scads of alts but they had to go to plex Caldari space in order to mak their LPs.
So, the situation used to be alts of the dominant faction diagonal plexed because it was the only ISK around, and the warzone control was maintained so tier 5 could be pushed, and unreasonable rewards earned. That is now over, it i time to move on and get over your grudge.
You have been very selective in what you see as a problem, because your attack is personal versus Hans and not rooted in the facts (despite being about stuff 2 patches ago, and hence an irrelevance anyway). Now the facts have changed you see defplexing as a handout to the Minmatar.
Defplexing is, at best, 75% nett of offensive plexing. Given most ISK making was driven by alts, when they defplex the systems too much, the ISK/hr does not reward them as much as it does those offensive plexing the same system. I cannot see how defplexing rewards are a handout to the Minmatar in terms of maintaining warzone control, if the whole point of warzone control is, as you infer, all about the ISK printing. The rewards are slanted in favor of the aggressor, and when you have massive dominance, you will need to invest more and more time to defplexing for little (and indeed no) reward...or you could go diagonally attack the other faction's space.
Further, the changes to plexes mean less and less gunless plex alts, more effort required to flip a plex, and more risk. Which, arguably, favours the defender in the strategic battle, and the aggressor in the ISK battle. It also is a massive shot to the nuts of Minmatar's horde of alts - which is why Militia chat is so quiet - and since you run a Minnie alt, probably why you are crying so much as you can no longer farm Cldari plexes AFK and certainly can't solo them in anything easily (lol ECM).
So, what gives? Admit this is just you publically attacking Hans, and get down off the pole in your backside and in the dirt where you belong.
Taking submissions for "Trinkets friendly Advice Column" via evemail or private convo in-game. Anonymity sorta guaranteed.
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Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
637
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Posted - 2012.11.07 14:33:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:"This thread is not about everyones general feelings of whether they like pre inferno, inferno, or post inferno faction war."
It is about Cearain's personal anti-bromance with Hans, and it started with a bunch of tiring drivel related to pre-Inferno.
Not sure where I go into pre-inferno.
Trinkets friend wrote: So, what gives?
You post lots of things that have nothing to do with the economic balance in faction war.
Hans said that the winning side was being punished too much in inferno so he pushed for lp for defensive plexing. You seem to understand that was a pretty ridiculous claim since you admit everyone in eve wanted a minmatar alt so they could get rich.
You never really touch on the other Hans quote. The one where he openly admits he doesn't care if fw has any economic balance because he appearantly thinks the pvp is much better when you are poor and outnumbered.
So yes we both agree there were some good things that decreased the farming alts in the last patch. And yes the amarr spent too much time plexing vulnerable systems and it cost us. But neither has anything to do with this thread.
The point of this thread is on the economic balance. If you don't really want to talk about that, for whatever reason, then don't. But please stay on topic.
Right now most people in fw are space rich. So everyone posting seems to want to turn up their nose at anyone who has concerns about isk. But in the long run these conclusions are bad news. Give fw 6 months and if there are no changes to the balance in the game we can then see how well its doing based on hans assumptions.
Of course 6 months from now ccp will have moved on from fw. But if we complain ccp will be able to say the players csm rep did in fact say economic balance doesn't matter so they were just giving us what we want right? Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Johnny Jinks
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
3
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Posted - 2012.11.19 20:27:00 -
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does anyone ever really stay on topic anymore? |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
630
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Posted - 2012.11.19 21:47:00 -
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Johnny Jinks wrote:does anyone ever really stay on topic anymore? Your post is off topic. |
unbless83
T.R.I.A.D
15
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Posted - 2012.11.19 22:46:00 -
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cerain o/
mate, the FW environment as a whole is under development and im sure we all look forward to when we have a FW we can all happily PVP in...
there is just a few things i need to lay out as a bit of a disclaimer in regards to why it feels unfair just now. id also like to say that were any of us in your position we'd be looking to offlload the albatross too... however
The minnies worked VERY hard pre inferno to be in the best possible position to weather the upcomming shifts and changes. We knew it would most likely take the next 2 years to get through the changes to a stable end result. we knew that warzone control was going to be THE metric we needed more of in order to survive these changes comfortably. With that in mind we set a single goal
we knew we needed more space (goal set) and then we went out and secured all available space (op success)
quite simply that was the battle the amarr should have fought harder in, you tried... although i cant say i respect what amarr resorted to. if amarr had held on to more space you wouldnt be up the proverbial creek without a paddle and your posts wouldnt sound so "butt-hurtee".
as much as our position now is largely the result of the past ,so is the OP.... there will be changes to bring more balance because the faction warfare mechanics are NOT set in stone, they are going to change... hans has had influence im sure.... but you can be damn sure he aint calling the shots for what actually hits the server.
if you want to not feel like you're at such a disadvantage i suggest you get plexing... go forbbid it might actually bring fights... wich is what i thought FW was actually about.. not about which side has access to more isk Aussies are the unicorns of eve... rare and horny |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
653
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Posted - 2012.11.20 00:01:00 -
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Unbless
I know well what happened before inferno. I am aware that a single player on minmatar had more vp than any minmatar player corp going into inferno. I am also aware that minmatar never seem to acknowledge that but instead like to claim it was their organization that lead to their entering inferno with so many systems.
I am also aware of the bugs that made it impossible for amarr to flip systems. I actually pleaded with ccp to fix them but it was evidently a low priority and therefore was not fixed. So many of us were stuck moving stuff at the key time to plex.
But this is not about amarr versus minmatar. Amarr and minmatar just are a good example of a side that was winning and another that was mostly losing. But if the sides were flipped I would be just as concerned. There ar a few minmatar who also feel the economic lopsidedness of the current system is a problem.
This has to do with the basic assumptions ccp and hans are making in designing faction war. One assumption was the winning side was being punished for winning too much in inferno. What is the evidence for this? I know a few people complained, like susan black, but really did you feel minmatar were punished in inferno and this needed to be corrected?
The second assumption is that fw can be economically lopsided because people will join the losing side because of supposedly better pvp opportunities. Where is the evidence of that?
Both assumptions were key to hans calling for the dismantling of our much more balanced inferno system.
You say hans had little to do with this. However They adopted the system he was suggesting almost identically. There were certainly no threads that were strongly supported by the players to do either of the changes. So yeah it appears ccp listened to hans. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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unbless83
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Posted - 2012.11.20 02:40:00 -
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ur still talking about isk, lp and plexing... not much talking going on about pvp, its gonna be hard not to sweep this thread under the rug when its basically a cry of the poor.
understand that we want you guys to get mad enough to fight us... not mad enough to uselessly point fingers about stuff that isnt pvp Aussies are the unicorns of eve... rare and horny |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
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Posted - 2012.11.20 03:07:00 -
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unbless83 wrote:ur still talking about isk, lp and plexing... not much talking going on about pvp, its gonna be hard not to sweep this thread under the rug when its basically a cry of the poor.
understand that we want you guys to get mad enough to fight us... not mad enough to uselessly point fingers about stuff that isnt pvp
What does pvp have to do with faction war occupancy?
Take a look at your post, its all about plexing and taking space.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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unbless83
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Posted - 2012.11.20 04:11:00 -
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this is why the amarr cant win... they see plexing and pvp as two different things.
one begets the other Aussies are the unicorns of eve... rare and horny |
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